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Re: The Nikon d800/800E
« Reply #20 on: December 21, 2011, 06:00:39 PM »
If they make the Nikon D800's ISO performance really good, wouldn't more people think twice about buying a flash unit?

Speed lights have other purposes other than lowering the ISO. 

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Re: The Nikon d800/800E
« Reply #21 on: December 21, 2011, 08:10:28 PM »
If they make the Nikon D800's ISO performance really good, wouldn't more people think twice about buying a flash unit?

ISO performance is useless in backlit conditions or when you need to shape light.

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Re: The Nikon d800/800E
« Reply #22 on: December 21, 2011, 09:33:18 PM »
for me personally, hindi naman bababa yung market for flashes, kasi di lang naman sya ginagamit sa low light scenarios.

ang sakin lang is, sana mas maganda yung ISO sensitivity nya sa low light situations and yung live view nya sana is kasing ganda ng sa d7k. and higher dynamic range likewise ng sa d7k din. and lastly sana pwede na rin sya lagyan ng dual memory (sd and cf like ng sa d300s)

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Re: The Nikon d800/800E
« Reply #23 on: December 21, 2011, 11:06:35 PM »
for me personally, hindi naman bababa yung market for flashes, kasi di lang naman sya ginagamit sa low light scenarios.

ang sakin lang is, sana mas maganda yung ISO sensitivity nya sa low light situations and yung live view nya sana is kasing ganda ng sa d7k. and higher dynamic range likewise ng sa d7k din. and lastly sana pwede na rin sya lagyan ng dual memory (sd and cf like ng sa d300s)


NR might be correct about the card format. SD card slot with XQD (CF card replacement) which will be phased in with the next generation of cards and card readers which in theory will have 125mb/s to 600mb/s write speeds.

http://www.petapixel.com/2011/12/08/compactflash-cards-to-be-replaced-with-the-smaller-xqd-format/

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Re: The Nikon d800/800E
« Reply #24 on: December 22, 2011, 02:31:55 AM »
im  a hobbyist but no doubt i will buy it (trade my d700 for it) owowowowweee!!
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Re: The Nikon d800/800E
« Reply #25 on: January 04, 2012, 10:02:29 PM »
looks like the D800 will not be announced this month, instead, nikon will announce the D4($6K)  :o :o :o

sulit talaga si D700 ko  ::)

$4K is not cheap...i really hope that it will be a lot cheaper than that.

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Re: The Nikon d800/800E
« Reply #26 on: January 05, 2012, 12:35:16 AM »
Nikon D4 ISO range: 100 to 102,400, expandable to 50 to 204,800.

Oppps maganda ang D4 specs ah.  May ISO 100 na (ISO 200 lang ang D3s/D700), hanggang ISO 102,400 pa.  Kung 2-stops better ang D4 kaysa sa D700 sa ISO 1600 to 12,800, ganito ang resulta:  :o


D4 ISO     Equivalent D700 ISO

 1600             400
 3200             800
 6400            1600
12800           3200

Patay!  May mga madadale sa D4 dahil nito!
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Re: The Nikon d800/800E
« Reply #27 on: January 05, 2012, 05:35:03 AM »
Wala pang D800...? Baka mas magiging mura and mga D3s. Kung magiging $3,600. ang D3s, ok na yon.

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Re: The Nikon d800/800E
« Reply #28 on: January 05, 2012, 07:51:05 AM »
Maganda ang d4!! I am hoping so ::) . Pero ang mahal naman.Sino ba ang ayaw ng d3,d3s o d4? Kahit malaki yan kung mura lang papatusin ko yan. Kaya marami ang bumili ng d700 kasi yon ang gray line between "sensibility" and madness among hobbyist (pros have different views) in terms of how much to spend in this hobby. If you look at the Canon side, same thing with the Canon 5d series.Nikon should release an affordable d700 replacement because Canon will replace their 5d2. Nikon is playing a game here for sure. They leaked the d800 specs and after Canon announcement, they leaked the d4 in a very short period of time before official announcement. The arrival of product will be a month earlier than Canon.
However, whatever game Nikon and Canon are playing, everywhere I look ,we are the winners here. That will make the older models affordable.The 5d2's prices is plunging everywhere. It will be a good alternative for Nikon's MF fanatics. Just buy the body and the adapter..... now you have  FF manual Canikon.The d700 will hold its value for a little longer yet. I am pinning my hopes on a very good d800 and 5dmk3. I am not going to buy either of the offerings at the onset. I am looking at the possible flooding of 5ds and maybe at the later time the d700 at the used market........just hoping. Makatikim man lang ng murang FF.

OT but related to the specs...I have a question in my mind about the Hi-Iso. How much ISO do we really need? The quality of light is dropping the minute the sun is setting down. Your eyes can testify that the colors and DR are different. For some it might be useful but I was wondering, do we really need to have that very high iso range?

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Re: The Nikon d800/800E
« Reply #29 on: January 05, 2012, 09:31:16 AM »
OT but related to the specs...I have a question in my mind about the Hi-Iso. How much ISO do we really need? The quality of light is dropping the minute the sun is setting down. Your eyes can testify that the colors and DR are different. For some it might be useful but I was wondering, do we really need to have that very high iso range?

Doc- there is a married couple who shoots wedding photography in Canada.  The amount of money that they make is ridiculous since they have established their business very well. Just recently and in addition with their D3x and D700, the guy purchased a Canon 1Ds Mk III and 5D2 and some 1.2 lenses.

The cleaner images at higher ISO will yield to cleaner images for their customers.  

In sports photography, the D4 will even dominate this area especially with the poor lighting on some arenas. You can stop the action by using higher shutter speeds and higher ISO. Granted that you can always shoot with flash but the flash won’t be able to keep-up at 8 fps.

This is definitely catered to the pros in the field.  Enthusiasts like us have our own market.  I hope nobody will sell their D3s at a reasonable price.  I will be tempted and will sell my other camera bodies to off-set the price. My D7000 and D700 can go. I’ll keep the D3s and Fuji X10.
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Re: The Nikon d800/800E
« Reply #30 on: January 05, 2012, 09:46:59 AM »
  I will be tempted and will sell my other camera bodies to off-set the price. My D7000 and D700 can go. I’ll keep the D3s and Fuji X10.
 ;D
;D ;D ;D

How about d7000 + d700 + overlapping lenses = d4 + x10?    ;D ;D ;D 

The hi iso has really offered a lot of opportunity to some photographers.A hobbyist like me can't take advantage of it.



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Re: The Nikon d800/800E
« Reply #31 on: January 05, 2012, 09:50:50 AM »
Doc- the other forums that I frequently visit are already selling their D3s.

They range from $4,700 to $5,000. even though they offer additional gadgets like dual battery chargers, memory cards, L brackets, etc, they are still way too high for me.  >:(

I'm sure the D3x owners might join the sale extravaganza too.   :o

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Re: The Nikon d800/800E
« Reply #32 on: January 05, 2012, 10:02:46 AM »
Calling KPY for the D4  ;D. But honestly am really wondering if ever they push thru with a 20-30+ mp sensor for the D800 would it mean that I should upgrade my sandy bridge i3 laptop? I've handled a 20+mp 5dmkII and post processing the pictures and videos is one helluva waiting game!
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Re: The Nikon d800/800E
« Reply #33 on: January 05, 2012, 10:19:28 AM »
Calling KPY for the D4  ;D. But honestly am really wondering if ever they push thru with a 20-30+ mp sensor for the D800 would it mean that I should upgrade my sandy bridge i3 laptop? I've handled a 20+mp 5dmkII and post processing the pictures and videos is one helluva waiting game!

i3 is really not that fast but it's ok for web browsing and Windows office applications. You are better off with a i5 or i7 with USB 3.0 for faster transfer rate, post processing and 2 tb of external HDD for storing.

Re: MP. I prefer a faster/accurate AF and cleaner images at higher ISO.  A 36 MP picture with lots of noise at ISO 6400 is not worth of an upgrade to me.

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Re: The Nikon d800/800E
« Reply #34 on: January 05, 2012, 02:24:30 PM »
.... It will be a good alternative for Nikon's MF fanatics. Just buy the body and the adapter..... now you have  FF manual Canikon....

sorry doc, but can you brief me on this?  :P
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Re: The Nikon d800/800E
« Reply #35 on: January 05, 2012, 03:37:14 PM »
Doc- the other forums that I frequently visit are already selling their D3s.

They range from $4,700 to $5,000. even though they offer additional gadgets like dual battery chargers, memory cards, L brackets, etc, they are still way too high for me.  >:(

I'm sure the D3x owners might join the sale extravaganza too.   :o


The prices of used D3s will drop even further.  The main advantage of the D3s over the D3 is just the sensor.  The D4 on the other hand will be one generation ahead not just in sensor but also in focus, CPU, data-bus, video-capable, etc.  At those price range, paying an extra $1500 more for a D4 will make more sense.

The biggest drop in price will however come from the D3x once the D800 announcement become certain.  I expect that the drop in price for the D700 will be minimal.  Unless the D800 will be better than the D700 in low light performance which I strongly doubt, there is no performance upgrade in the D800 other than in a higher resolution sensor and video.  Many D700 owners will hold on to their cameras.
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Re: The Nikon d800/800E
« Reply #36 on: January 05, 2012, 04:00:45 PM »
However, whatever game Nikon and Canon are playing, everywhere I look ,we are the winners here. That will make the older models affordable.The 5d2's prices is plunging everywhere. It will be a good alternative for Nikon's MF fanatics. Just buy the body and the adapter..... now you have  FF manual Canikon.The d700 will hold its value for a little longer yet. I am pinning my hopes on a very good d800 and 5dmk3. I am not going to buy either of the offerings at the onset. I am looking at the possible flooding of 5ds and maybe at the later time the d700 at the used market........just hoping. Makatikim man lang ng murang FF.

Well said but very hard choices you present there Doc for a Nikon lens owner who wants a full-frame body.  The answer will depend on what he shoots.  The answer will be even more difficult if he would like to expand further on what he shoots because it will bring him to the other side.  Tough!  :o ::)

A Canon 5DMk II for less than a Nikon D700, full-frame, higher-resolution at 21mp, lower S/N performance at high ISO than the D700, manual focus on Nikon lenses, but with video and excellent live-view.  Against this is a D700 costing a bit more, full-frame, lower-resolution at 12mp, good S/N performance at high ISO, auto-focus on all AF Nikon lenses, excellent AF performance, no video, average live-view.

For less than the price a D800 however, you can have both if you need to both.  For a little bit more weight, you can have the advantage and flexibility of having two bodies.  Depreciation over time will also be considerably less when you sell both to get the D900. An out-of-the-box idea worth pursuing.  ;D  I should add however that a Nikon D700 plus your D7000 (or a NEX-5N or a GH2) for video is also not an bad choice.
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Re: The Nikon d800/800E
« Reply #37 on: January 05, 2012, 09:30:48 PM »
Well said but very hard choices you present there Doc for a Nikon lens owner who wants a full-frame body.  The answer will depend on what he shoots.  The answer will be even more difficult if he would like to expand further on what he shoots because it will bring him to the other side.  Tough!  :o ::)

A Canon 5DMk II for less than a Nikon D700, full-frame, higher-resolution at 21mp, lower S/N performance at high ISO than the D700, manual focus on Nikon lenses, but with video and excellent live-view.  Against this is a D700 costing a bit more, full-frame, lower-resolution at 12mp, good S/N performance at high ISO, auto-focus on all AF Nikon lenses, excellent AF performance, no video, average live-view.

For less than the price a D800 however, you can have both if you need to both.  For a little bit more weight, you can have the advantage and flexibility of having two bodies.  Depreciation over time will also be considerably less when you sell both to get the D900. An out-of-the-box idea worth pursuing.  ;D  I should add however that a Nikon D700 plus your D7000 (or a NEX-5N or a GH2) for video is also not an bad choice.
Now that you brought it up, you are making it hard for me. I was contemplating that at the back of my mind and I know sooner or later someone will bring that tough choices into the open.One thing for sure the d4 is not my choice and maybe the d3s will become cheaper faster than the d700. Getting a cheaper 5d2 might be better but the temptation to get the canon primes esp the T@S 17mm will be hard to resist. It will be more expensive for me in the long run since I will Gas doubly ;D. I will cross the bridge when the d800 will be here. I am in a better position to acquire a d800 because I don't have a d700 yet.My dream set up is 24-70 on FX and 70-200Vr2 on DX. Parang heavy version ng P@S, walang palitan ng lenses. ;D ;D ;D

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Re: The Nikon d800/800E
« Reply #38 on: January 06, 2012, 12:12:38 AM »
Great thread. I've read through all your posts, as I've been wondering whether it's time to get a 2nd D700 body or wait for the "Big Announcement" - hopefully, in time for Photoworld Manila.

From all you informed inputs, I gravitate towards Glenn's options of waiting for a bargain D3s, or even better - a gently used, bargain basement D700.  If Nikon decides to change the control layout of the new camera, then it would mean I have to learn another routine that may slow down my shooting.  That, plus the modest investment in batteries, L-plates, Eyepiece upgrades and other accessories that fit only the D700. 

True, that it's aging technology, and it only comes up to 12Mp, and only has 1 card slot, and no video -- but it covers all my needs for the type of shooting I do: High ISO performance, tank-like build quality, spot-on exposure metering (even with TTL Flash) and approximately the same controls as the D200/300/D3 - all of which translates to less fumbling and easier shooting for me. 

Easier to crank up ISO to 6400 AND fill-flash via CLS just to make sure the image is useable (even at some ridiculous crop levels). Easier to dig out the CLS commander mode from the menu. Easier to zoom in during playback to check focus. Less mistakes, less excuses.

I wish they'd just come up with a D700s version, with perhaps 2 card slots, even better ISO performance,  -- and improve the AWB for indoor mixed light - something my Canon-toting colleagues always make sure I don't forget. ('Kulay Nikon' daw).  Video would be nice, but not a big thing for me.

So I guess for now, I'll keep my D700 -- and wait for the post at Gear Marketplace, he he. ;)



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Re: The Nikon d800/800E
« Reply #39 on: January 07, 2012, 08:03:16 AM »
macocover kaya ang price ng d800 kung benta ko ang d700 and 70-200vrii?

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