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Author Topic: Nikon D7000 or D700?  (Read 25356 times)

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Re: Nikon D7000 or D700?
« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2010, 02:02:34 PM »
Keep the d7000, use it to take a lot of nice pics of your nice friend. Who knows, when the D700 replacement comes out, she might buy that one for you too.

Gosh, with the d7000 specs and all, I'm really wondering how the d700 replacement would be like. It should be a killer as well.

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Re: Nikon D7000 or D700?
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Re: Nikon D7000 or D700?
« Reply #21 on: October 15, 2010, 02:27:19 PM »
kung ayaw mo sa d7000, post mo yan dito sa buy and sell thread.... and see how everybody will respond!!!

una ako sa pila ha  ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Nikon D7000 or D700?
« Reply #22 on: October 15, 2010, 03:38:12 PM »
D7000 is what I would suggest, technology is much better and you get more resolution. I would only suggest the D700 or any FF for that matter if you are into editorial fashion photography when shallow DOF is often required, but if you do anything else the FF is not much better.

Persepective or the compression effect or exagerated effect has nothing to do with the sensor, if you shot a subject at the same distance (ex. 5 ft away using 50mm on a crop body and a 75mm on a FF) their perspective is going to be the same, the difference is depth of field which is around 1 stop. Remember perspective is a function of distance not focal length nor sensor size. This one stop is easily compensated by the D7000 having a true iso 100 while the D700 base iso is 200.

A full frame camera will utilize a lens all the way to the edge, thus a practice of stepping down a stop or two is often suggested to minimize edge softness, a crop body on the other hand only uses the center part of the lens, which yields a better edge to edge resolution.

Can't wait for the D7000 to arrive our shores!!!

Ken

P.S. I own both crop and ff.

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Re: Nikon D7000 or D700?
« Reply #23 on: October 15, 2010, 03:42:02 PM »
depende siguro sa lens line up mo pafi ^_^

lens line up ko..

Nikkor 50mm f1.4D
Nikkor 70-200mm f2.8 VRII
then d90 kit lens

thanks po sa mga nag advice...

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Re: Nikon D7000 or D700?
« Reply #24 on: October 15, 2010, 03:46:54 PM »
those lenses are best in an FX.. though d7000 is also a good one. if i were you, keep teh d7000 and sell your d90 (unless this body is also given to you - sentimental value?). :D
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Re: Nikon D7000 or D700?
« Reply #25 on: October 15, 2010, 08:10:24 PM »
lens line up ko..

Nikkor 50mm f1.4D
Nikkor 70-200mm f2.8 VRII
then d90 kit lens

thanks po sa mga nag advice...

hmmm mka pre order na rin.. ganda ng specs ng d7k... lol

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Re: Nikon D7000 or D700?
« Reply #26 on: October 15, 2010, 09:05:19 PM »
tagal tagal tagal tagal...


halatang atat na ako :)
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Re: Nikon D7000 or D700?
« Reply #27 on: October 15, 2010, 09:19:08 PM »
D7000 is what I would suggest, technology is much better and you get more resolution. I would only suggest the D700 or any FF for that matter if you are into editorial fashion photography when shallow DOF is often required, but if you do anything else the FF is not much better.

Persepective or the compression effect or exagerated effect has nothing to do with the sensor, if you shot a subject at the same distance (ex. 5 ft away using 50mm on a crop body and a 75mm on a FF) their perspective is going to be the same, the difference is depth of field which is around 1 stop. Remember perspective is a function of distance not focal length nor sensor size. This one stop is easily compensated by the D7000 having a true iso 100 while the D700 base iso is 200.

A full frame camera will utilize a lens all the way to the edge, thus a practice of stepping down a stop or two is often suggested to minimize edge softness, a crop body on the other hand only uses the center part of the lens, which yields a better edge to edge resolution.

Can't wait for the D7000 to arrive our shores!!!

Ken

P.S. I own both crop and ff.


I own both crop and FF.

I say that the compression is greater on the FF at the same distance and with the same FOV.  To be more specific, you can shoot 135mm on a crop and I will shoot 200mm on a FF and I will wager a D3x and a D3s that the FF will have the greater compression.

Does anyone want to take me up on my wager?

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Re: Nikon D7000 or D700?
« Reply #28 on: October 15, 2010, 09:22:03 PM »
tagal tagal tagal tagal...


halatang atat na ako :)



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Re: Nikon D7000 or D700?
« Reply #29 on: October 15, 2010, 09:25:07 PM »

I own both crop and FF.

I say that the compression is greater on the FF at the same distance and with the same FOV.  To be more specific, you can shoot 135mm on a crop and I will shoot 200mm on a FF and I will wager a D3x and a D3s that the FF will have the greater compression.

Does anyone want to take me up on my wager?


FF more $$$$$$ mas mahal mas maganda...lol

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Re: Nikon D7000 or D700?
« Reply #30 on: October 15, 2010, 10:16:27 PM »

Does anyone want to take me up on my wager?


Oppppss ... no betting allowed here.  OK!         8) :D ;D

Going back to the thread, if you do not need video and the additional 4mp, the D700 would still be the better camera option.  Light diffraction for landscape photography will be much less of an issue with the D700 rather than the D7000.  I have also stated my preference for full-frame for portrait photography specially if done outside the studio in unreliable and difficult lighting conditions.
« Last Edit: October 15, 2010, 10:27:08 PM by LGO »

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Re: Nikon D7000 or D700?
« Reply #31 on: October 15, 2010, 10:29:43 PM »
Oppppss ... no betting allowed here.         8) :D ;D
No betting!!!
Can I just buy you a glass of lemonade?Not as a wager though....I am not well aware about compression effect and I guess I need to learn a lot yet from you guys....that will be a token!!!Let's have a drink. ;D :D ;)

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Re: Nikon D7000 or D700?
« Reply #32 on: October 15, 2010, 10:37:14 PM »

I own both crop and FF.

I say that the compression is greater on the FF at the same distance and with the same FOV.  To be more specific, you can shoot 135mm on a crop and I will shoot 200mm on a FF and I will wager a D3x and a D3s that the FF will have the greater compression.

Does anyone want to take me up on my wager?



Jordan Sy posted this a while back.
http://www.pinoyphotography.org/forum/index.php?topic=61988.msg725744#msg725744

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Re: Nikon D7000 or D700?
« Reply #33 on: October 15, 2010, 11:00:46 PM »

I own both crop and FF.

I say that the compression is greater on the FF at the same distance and with the same FOV.  To be more specific, you can shoot 135mm on a crop and I will shoot 200mm on a FF and I will wager a D3x and a D3s that the FF will have the greater compression.

Does anyone want to take me up on my wager?



2 photos shot with a D90 @ 135 and D700 @ 200, using the same lens and distance. Only had to adjust aperture (D90 @f/4 and D700 @f/5.6) to equalize the DOF. You be the judge if there is any difference in perspective.

You can bring out your ruler then measure the size of the cow and the martian at the back then see how similar the ratio is, which simply means perspective was neither compressed nor exagerated by changing camera and focal length since the key here is distance to subject, which in both photos are similar.





Here is a good read on photography myth http://www.mhohner.de/essays/myths.php#focalper

Here is a snipet from an article I read http://scubageek.com/articles/compression.pdf (Perspective Compression by a Telephoto Lens: A Myth ©2002 ReefNet Inc.)

........the misleading information available in numerous resources that offer photography “tips and techniques”, including the internet, magazines, and books. Is it simply poor communication or is it a genuine lack of understanding by the writers? It’s both. Most experienced photographers understand lenses and perspective, but too often use sloppy language that conveys the wrong message. Less experienced photographers accept the message at face value and pass it on to others. And so it goes. Miscommunication breeds misunderstanding and perpetuates a myth.


Ken

Just check my website where you can mail the camera.
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Re: Nikon D7000 or D700?
« Reply #34 on: October 15, 2010, 11:14:50 PM »

Ken

Just check my website where you can mail the camera.

 :D sorry just couldn't help it peace all

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Re: Nikon D7000 or D700?
« Reply #35 on: October 15, 2010, 11:16:43 PM »
:D sorry just couldn't help it peace all

Just in case you thought I was joking, I wasn't. There is a good number of witnesses to the wager.

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Re: Nikon D7000 or D700?
« Reply #36 on: October 15, 2010, 11:19:09 PM »
I stand corrected.  

In reviewing my test photos, I realize that I got incorrect results when I did not consider the magnification factor of the 70-200mm f/2.8 VR II vs the Nikkor 200mm f/2.0 and Nikkor 200mm f/4.0 which I used in my tests with the D3100 vs the D700.

The (photos of the) D3x and the D3s will be delivered tomorrow!  ;D


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Re: Nikon D7000 or D700?
« Reply #37 on: October 15, 2010, 11:21:14 PM »
Just in case you thought I was joking, I wasn't. There is a good number of witnesses to the wager.

And just when I was beginning to think that this incident was funny.  Oh well, one has to be true to one's nature I suppose.   ::)
« Last Edit: October 15, 2010, 11:25:28 PM by LGO »

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Re: Nikon D7000 or D700?
« Reply #38 on: October 15, 2010, 11:27:07 PM »
I stand corrected.  

In reviewing my test photos, I realize that I got an incorrect results when I did not consider the magnification factor of the 70-200mm f/2.8 VR II vs the Nikkor 200mm f/2.0 and Nikkor 200mm f/4.0 which I used in my tests with the D3100 vs the D700.

The (photos) of the D3x and the D3s will be delivered tomorrow!  ;D


The photos above already proved that lens is not a factor in perspective, so no matter how wrong or right the magnification of your "TOP CALIBER" lenses are, it's not going to influence perspective. A kit lens will give the same perspective as a 24-70mm f/2.8 for as long as they are shooting at the same distance to the subject.

And just when I was beginning to think that this incident was funny.  Oh well, one has to be true to one's nature I suppose.   ::)

Sorry but I just don't find people spreading myths as funny.

Ken

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Re: Nikon D7000 or D700?
« Reply #39 on: October 15, 2010, 11:34:18 PM »
tama na po....all points well taken...

thanks for the link Ken..dagdag kaalaman.




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