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shutter for moving subject
« on: September 30, 2010, 09:54:46 PM »
ano nga ba tamang timpla sa shutter speed? oh mas magandang gumamit ng S mode nalang :)

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Re: shutter for moving subject
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2010, 10:04:15 PM »
I find 1/250 enough to freeze common objects. 1/320 for running subjects (but sometimes blur the fingers). 1/500 is my best bet. Sa mga insect naman 1/1000 or higher para mafreeze yung wing flap nila.

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Re: shutter for moving subject
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2010, 10:15:02 PM »
cool :) thanx for the info bro!

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Re: shutter for moving subject
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2010, 11:37:47 PM »
very informative! dami kong natututohan sa Pipho..

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Re: shutter for moving subject
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2010, 12:11:10 AM »
for races or action shots where you want a beautiful blured background (and tires), panning with a shutter speed of 1/160s looks great.
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Re: shutter for moving subject
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2010, 12:23:11 AM »
for races or action shots with a beautiful blured background (and tires) panning with a shutter speed of 1/160s looks great.

Ah yes. And don't forget IS/VR on this part. Haven't tried panning but they say that with IS/VR, you can do 1/60 panning shots.

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Re: shutter for moving subject
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2010, 01:54:42 AM »
Very informative. I'll try panning tomorrow.

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Re: shutter for moving subject
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2010, 05:38:06 PM »
u can also try 1/30 for panning...^^

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Re: shutter for moving subject
« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2010, 12:50:32 PM »
I go for 1/60 - 1/100 for panning shots, especially when medyo mabagal yung movement ng subject or medyo malayo ko sa subject. :D

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Re: shutter for moving subject
« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2010, 02:58:04 PM »
ano nga ba tamang timpla sa shutter speed? oh mas magandang gumamit ng S mode nalang :)

Fern- this is an open ended question since you did not specify what moving subject are you referring to and what lighting condition (day, night or indoor) that's why you are getting various answers.  Higher speed will result in higher ISO, less light or darker image which will result to image noise.  Without any specific info, it is a little difficult to provide you a better suggestion.

Ah yes. And don't forget IS/VR on this part. Haven't tried panning but they say that with IS/VR, you can do 1/60 panning shots.

SR- Image Stabilization or Vibration Reduction has nothing to do with fast moving subjects.  They work when taking pictures that are hand-held with subjects that are static or not moving.  For Nikon users, the manufacturer recommends that you turn "off" VR when using a tripod.  Some lenses have VR active mode feature which is recommended if you are shooting from a moving vehicle such as a car.  Speed of the subject has very little effect with VR or IS.
 
Re: Panning, this takes practice and you can do that by going out on the street and practice it on moving cars and see what speed works best for you which is usually between 1/60 to 1/125 depending on the speed of the vehicle.


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Re: shutter for moving subject
« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2010, 03:08:02 PM »

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Re: shutter for moving subject
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2010, 03:12:53 PM »
SUGGESTED SHUTTER SPEEDS


TO FREEZE ACTION

Children – 1/250 – 1/1000 seconds
Moving water/waterfalls: 1/1000 seconds or more
Sporting event: 1/500 – 1/2000 seconds
Birds in flight: 1/1000th a second and above

TO CAPTURE MOTION
Amusement park rides: +/- one second
Moving water/waterfalls: 4 or more seconds
Fireworks: 1/2 – 4 seconds
Moving cars at night: 8-10 seconds
Night photography – one or more seconds

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Re: shutter for moving subject
« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2010, 04:40:05 PM »
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SR- Image Stabilization or Vibration Reduction has nothing to do with fast moving subjects.  They work when taking pictures that are hand-held with subjects that are static or not moving.  For Nikon users, the manufacturer recommends that you turn "off" VR when using a tripod.  Some lenses have VR active mode feature which is recommended if you are shooting from a moving vehicle such as a car.  Speed of the subject has very little effect with VR or IS.
 
Re: Panning, this takes practice and you can do that by going out on the street and practice it on moving cars and see what speed works best for you which is usually between 1/60 to 1/125 depending on the speed of the vehicle.



Sir Glenn, sa Canon po, very helpful ang IS mode 2 for panning. It helps out a great deal with trying to stabilize either one of the two axes.

Pero I agree with you that panning takes practice and will likely take around 1/60s to 1/125s.

As for the TS, 1/400s ok na ok sir, lalo sa mga running dogs. hahahaha! :D
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Re: shutter for moving subject
« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2010, 05:11:59 PM »
Sir Glenn, sa Canon po, very helpful ang IS mode 2 for panning. It helps out a great deal with trying to stabilize either one of the two axes.

Pero I agree with you that panning takes practice and will likely take around 1/60s to 1/125s.

As for the TS, 1/400s ok na ok sir, lalo sa mga running dogs. hahahaha! :D

Lahat ba ng IS ng Canon may 2 modes?

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Re: shutter for moving subject
« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2010, 05:35:08 PM »

I normally aim for the highest shutter speed possible. Mahirap kasi gawan ng paraan ang shot na blurred. To the point that I use ISO4000. Madali namang linisin ang digital noise.

1/800s or faster.

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Re: shutter for moving subject
« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2010, 06:27:33 PM »
Lahat ba ng IS ng Canon may 2 modes?

nope.  mostly sa long focal lengths meron.  e.g. 70-200 zooms and the long primes.
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Re: shutter for moving subject
« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2010, 07:21:56 PM »
nope.  mostly sa long focal lengths meron.  e.g. 70-200 zooms and the long primes.

So  active mode 2 of Canon is similar to the "Active" mode of Nikon on the 70-200mm zoom lens which is supposed to be used if you are on a moving vehicle?  I guess it might help a little but it's up to the shooter's skill on how well he/she maintains the focus of the subject.  Good to know.

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Re: shutter for moving subject
« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2010, 07:34:31 PM »
hmm, eh pag live view po, same exposure po b un? parang me napanuod po kasi akong iba ung shutter pag live view?

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Re: shutter for moving subject
« Reply #18 on: October 06, 2010, 07:41:30 PM »
Lahat ba ng IS ng Canon may 2 modes?

Dagdag ko lang, meron 2 modes ang EF-S 55-250 IS, pero automatic na yung panning mode nya, meaning pag nag pan ka auto-activate na mode 2 ng IS. ;)

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Re: shutter for moving subject
« Reply #19 on: October 06, 2010, 09:08:40 PM »
hmm, eh pag live view po, same exposure po b un? parang me napanuod po kasi akong iba ung shutter pag live view?

 i was thinking of the same thing .
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Re: shutter for moving subject
« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2010, 04:47:56 AM »
Dagdag ko lang, meron 2 modes ang EF-S 55-250 IS, pero automatic na yung panning mode nya, meaning pag nag pan ka auto-activate na mode 2 ng IS. ;)

ok, ngayon alam ko na, ung mode 2 pala pag panning. thanks

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Re: shutter for moving subject
« Reply #21 on: October 07, 2010, 07:03:30 AM »
well explained... basta naka VR ka... ayos na un

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Re: shutter for moving subject
« Reply #22 on: October 12, 2010, 01:09:25 PM »
Fern- this is an open ended question since you did not specify what moving subject are you referring to and what lighting condition (day, night or indoor) that's why you are getting various answers.  Higher speed will result in higher ISO, less light or darker image which will result to image noise.  Without any specific info, it is a little difficult to provide you a better suggestion.

I agree...and may I add what kind of effect you want to get... for instance, even in sports there are those who want to freeze the action, ergo at least 1/500. Others want to show "some" movement in the extremities, i.e. blurred ang hands and feet, my experience around 1/100-200 for indoor sports, while still others want to blurr the whole action for some "drama..."

SR- Image Stabilization or Vibration Reduction has nothing to do with fast moving subjects.  They work when taking pictures that are hand-held with subjects that are static or not moving.  For Nikon users, the manufacturer recommends that you turn "off" VR when using a tripod.  Some lenses have VR active mode feature which is recommended if you are shooting from a moving vehicle such as a car.  Speed of the subject has very little effect with VR or IS.
 
Re: Panning, this takes practice and you can do that by going out on the street and practice it on moving cars and see what speed works best for you which is usually between 1/60 to 1/125 depending on the speed of the vehicle.



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Re: shutter for moving subject
« Reply #23 on: October 12, 2010, 08:48:32 PM »

SR- Image Stabilization or Vibration Reduction has nothing to do with fast moving subjects.  They work when taking pictures that are hand-held with subjects that are static or not moving.  For Nikon users, the manufacturer recommends that you turn "off" VR when using a tripod.  Some lenses have VR active mode feature which is recommended if you are shooting from a moving vehicle such as a car.  Speed of the subject has very little effect with VR or IS.

IS is recommended to be turned off also for Canon lenses when panning.

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Re: shutter for moving subject
« Reply #24 on: October 12, 2010, 10:56:57 PM »
SR- Image Stabilization or Vibration Reduction has nothing to do with fast moving subjects.  They work when taking pictures that are hand-held with subjects that are static or not moving.  For Nikon users, the manufacturer recommends that you turn "off" VR when using a tripod.  Some lenses have VR active mode feature which is recommended if you are shooting from a moving vehicle such as a car.  Speed of the subject has very little effect with VR or IS.

Whoops. I was meant to say to use IS on mode 2. IIRC, IS on mode 2 helps reduce the vertical vibration (great for panning) compared to mode 1 which reduces vertical and horizontal vibration. I think I saw this in my Canon 70-300 IS USM when I bought it years ago. Can someone clarify?

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Re: shutter for moving subject
« Reply #25 on: October 13, 2010, 11:15:43 AM »
Actually bossing depende sa gusto mo kunan. Depende rin kung anung effect ang gusto mong kunan like sa basketball yung kinunan ko before na league ng niece ko. 1/800 ang gamit ko para di mag blur ang bola. magbabago rin yun based on the lighting conditions.

As mentioned depende sa gusto mo kunan. Kung Panning naman po depende sa lighting conditions. ang importante dito is yung movement nung bagay na kinukunan mo is pareho sa bilis ng pag Pan mo. Tama po ba?
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Re: shutter for moving subject
« Reply #26 on: October 15, 2010, 12:46:02 PM »
SUGGESTED SHUTTER SPEEDS


TO FREEZE ACTION

Children – 1/250 – 1/1000 seconds
Moving water/waterfalls: 1/1000 seconds or more
Sporting event: 1/500 – 1/2000 seconds
Birds in flight: 1/1000th a second and above

TO CAPTURE MOTION
Amusement park rides: +/- one second
Moving water/waterfalls: 4 or more seconds
Fireworks: 1/2 – 4 seconds
Moving cars at night: 8-10 seconds
Night photography – one or more seconds

source: digicamhelp.com




thanks for this...

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Re: shutter for moving subject
« Reply #27 on: October 15, 2010, 12:50:20 PM »
medyo mahirap ang panning...puro garbage yung shots ko...kainis...more more practice....yung mga feeds dito...very helpful....

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Re: shutter for moving subject
« Reply #28 on: October 24, 2010, 12:59:23 AM »
here's my thoughts on this matter.
when i want to introduce a small amount of blur.. i shoot bellow the accepted amount of shutter speed which, i know, is 1/60th of a second 1/40th to 1/20th will do. but that's only me. i dunno but it might work for you. :)

about the VR or IS.. it has nothing to do with your subject. shakes/blurs reduced by those technology are those from your hand shakes, which is pretty normal with speeds bellow 1/30-1/20th of a second, and not from your subjects movement. so regardless of VR or IS, if your shooting below 1/20th of second, it may introduce slight to heavy blurring depending on the speed of the movement of your subject.

just my opinion.. :)
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Re: shutter for moving subject
« Reply #29 on: October 24, 2010, 10:08:58 AM »
medyo mahirap ang panning...puro garbage yung shots ko...kainis...more more practice....yung mga feeds dito...very helpful....

Panning is done when you move the camera at the same direction the subject is moving. Ex. left to right or right to left. Though the biggest mistake people do is setting their shutter speed to fast. Try lowering your speed until you get the desired sharpness of the subject, which in brightly outdoor actions means setting your aperture to around f/8 or even f/11. Another trick to it, is to trail the action even before you press the shutter, do not make the mistake of pressing the shutter as soon as the subjects enters your frame. By trailing the action, you get a sense of the speed you have to pan the camera, thus making the subject come out sharper. Also do not abruptly stop your panning movement right after you click the shutter, keep the panning movement for just a bit longer after the shot is made.

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Re: shutter for moving subject
« Reply #30 on: October 31, 2010, 05:20:11 AM »
medyo mahirap ang panning...puro garbage yung shots ko...kainis...more more practice....yung mga feeds dito...very helpful....

try using AI Servo(or nikon equivalent), Burst mode (Continuous). slower subjects are harder to shoot.

@TS, when I was shooting indoor sports(basketball etc), minimum ko sa shutter is 500 (using 350D 70-200 2.8 non IS, iso1600) mas mataas na shutter mas ok kung kaya, with freezing the action, i can go up to 1/4000 shutter speed, o yung pinaka sagad kung meron pa just like nung nag shoot ako ng tennis nung 23rd sea games nasa around 1/4000 ang shutter speed ko.
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Re: shutter for moving subject
« Reply #31 on: October 31, 2010, 12:32:29 PM »
Dagdag ko lang, meron 2 modes ang EF-S 55-250 IS, pero automatic na yung panning mode nya, meaning pag nag pan ka auto-activate na mode 2 ng IS. ;)

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Re: shutter for moving subject
« Reply #32 on: November 01, 2010, 11:15:39 AM »
thanks for the info. :)

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Re: shutter for moving subject
« Reply #33 on: November 13, 2010, 11:04:02 PM »
1/250 up would already freeze your subject sir

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