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A quick date with the 5DMKII
« on: September 21, 2008, 06:46:25 PM »
It’s been three years since the original EOS 5D was released in 2005. It set a standard in prosumer full frame DSLR’s because of the remarkable Image Quality that still awes many photographers to this day. The upgrade model for this highly successful and legendary gripless full-frame niche has been much awaited since last year, since features of newer offerings in the crop and 1D series models have already seen feature improvements.

Rumors have been heating the past several months pre Photokina 2008 and climaxed up with Canon’s full moon teaser ads “Destined Evolution”. The announcement last September 17, 2008 was probably the most anticipated announcement in DSLR history as many netizen photographers all over the world awaited final specifications.

Last Sept. 17 my wife brought to my attention a post in MagicEye’s thread here in Pipho.

http://www.pinoyphotography.org/forum/index.php?topic=2922.msg433013#msg433013

Oh boy was I excited to have a hands-on test of the new Canon EOS 5DMKII prototype unit knowing Sir John keeps his word  in anyway he possibly can.  And so it’s barely three days from the official announcement and I had the 5DMKII in my hands yesterday at 3:00 PM and was given the opportunity to shoot with it till 9:30 PM, even before Sir John himself could take a spin on it. 

The Lithium-Ion LP-E6 rechargeable batteries hasn’t been charged, but luckily the 5DMKII came with the new BG-E6 grip and now has a 6 pcs. AA battery cartridge accessory. So off I go with newly charged Enelope AA  batteries as juice.

In the car I mounted my 24-105L F/4 IS and was on my way to Mandaluyong to meet up with Aids Tecson, a guy in the video production business :http://www.undergroundlogic.com/ 

He is in the position to share with me some insights on the new HD video feature of the 5DMKII. On the way I took some snaps out of the car while on in motion (1) and on a traffic stop (2).

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Shot taken at Kalayaan Ave. Makati from the car in motion, and it's not even holy week.
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A quick date with the 5DMKII
« on: September 21, 2008, 06:46:25 PM »

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Re: A quick date with the 5DMKII
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2008, 06:52:43 PM »
Stunning detail.  Check out the kid under the cross :)  Man the 5d set a standard in image quality what more w/ this new camera from Canon!  So Raffy is its IQ leaps and bounds better  than our beloved 5d mark 1?  Thanks for sharing :)  
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Re: A quick date with the 5DMKII
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2008, 07:04:09 PM »
Thanks sir for sharing the pictures taken with the new 5DMkII. They were crisp and clear considering that they were taken from a moving vehicle. I hope you can also write about the handling of the camera and quality of the video (HD video based on specifications). Based the specifications of the camera, it appears to be a very advance and well-planned camera. So that pipho members planning to get one will have the lowdown on this camera. I, myself, am very interested but have to save more money for it. I hope we get a review about it very soon.

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Re: A quick date with the 5DMKII
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2008, 07:13:52 PM »
my gawd....... GANDA........ more please... he he he......


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Re: A quick date with the 5DMKII
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2008, 07:25:55 PM »
Aids (Crispyparty) and I went to the Mandaluyong Municipal park near his new chiken inasalicous outlet. There were kids having taekwondo lessons in a shade under the trees.  Here are some images:

Camera:   Canon EOS 5D Mark II with 100-400L IS
Exposure:   0.002 sec (1/640)
Aperture:   f/5
Focal Length:   100 mm
ISO Speed:   200
Camera:   Canon EOS 5D Mark II with 35L F.1.4
Exposure:   0.001 sec (1/2000)
Aperture:   f/1.4
Focal Length:   35 mm
ISO Speed:   200

Camera:   Canon EOS 5D Mark II with 35L F/1.4
Exposure:   0.001 sec (1/2000)
Aperture:   f/1.4
Focal Length:   35 mm
ISO Speed:   100
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Re: A quick date with the 5DMKII
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2008, 07:27:07 PM »
Nice sharp details.  waiting for more
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Re: A quick date with the 5DMKII
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2008, 07:31:07 PM »
@Alan.... will come to that especially when the dark knight comes. :)
@Bong I will post some when i learn how to post videos. Aids will help me analyze the files using his professional HD video equipments.
@wwonka will post more and more. ;D







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Re: A quick date with the 5DMKII
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2008, 07:42:59 PM »
Actually we were more excited to put this HD video feature to work than take pictures…. Hahahah, especially with fast prime or fast F/2.8 zoom lenses to achieve DOF found only in film or hi-end HD video cameras. We tried shooting video with a 100-400 IS and 35L F/1.4. Now, I have to learn to compress, upload and post video files in flickr or youtube, so those video files will have to wait until then.

On our way out of the park we chance upon cheerleading group practicing in the gazeebo


Camera:   Canon EOS 5D Mark II with 35L
Exposure:   0.003 sec (1/400)
Aperture:   f/1.4
Focal Length:   35 mm
ISO Speed:   100

So where do I go from here.... tick tac tick tac 4:30PM 5 hours to go till bye bye 5DMKII.
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Re: A quick date with the 5DMKII
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2008, 07:45:53 PM »
Go Raffy Go!!!!



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Re: A quick date with the 5DMKII
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2008, 07:57:15 PM »
OMG Ganda Ganda Drooling

Gusto ko na talaga! Pramis!

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Re: A quick date with the 5DMKII
« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2008, 08:13:24 PM »
Before the 5DMKII specification was officially announced, I felt that this camera could have been everything everyone hoped it would be ….. a Nikon D3 clone and more with a more affordable price. But it somehow fell short in two key areas, perhaps to protect it's 1DsMKIII product line.

So despite the whooping 21 MP sensor and HD video feature that not everybody wanted or needed, so much growling and whining was made over the net over these two key features: an "old 9AF point design" and ancient slow 3.9 FPS.

We all know the 3FPS 5D and the new successor 5DMKII is more positioned to cater Landscape and studio photographers that need all that mega pixel. Not much for PJ work and sports. Pretty much useless I guess.



Camera:   Canon EOS 5D Mark II with EF 100-400 IS
Exposure:   0.001 sec (1/800)
Aperture:   f/5.6
Focal Length:   320 mm
ISO Speed:   800

Actually just a week ago I also made a test shoot in the Ateneo soccer field to test the 50D with the EF 300L F/2.8 IS. So I guess the experience is pretty much fresh in my memory. :)

Camera:   Canon EOS 50D
Exposure:   0.001 sec (1/1600)
Aperture:   f/3.5
Focal Length:   300 mm
ISO Speed:   400
Exposure Bias:   0 EV

Of course it's not a 1DMKIII or a D3 but you can still capture great images.

AF next.

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Re: A quick date with the 5DMKII
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2008, 08:19:18 PM »

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Thanks for the hands-on preview and samples, Raffy!

I'm looking at the bigger version of the above.... was this a jpeg straight from the camera?

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Re: A quick date with the 5DMKII
« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2008, 08:38:37 PM »
Yes Master Romy. I just shot all JPEG large knowing that I still cannot convert 5DMKII RAW and to save space in my 8G CF card also shooting MP hungry HD videos.

Picture styles: Standard Sharpness 5 Contrast +1 Saturation +1 processed in LR2 for basic tone adjustment and minor sharpening.

Just like the 40D ISO test we collaborated last year, I just did the same with both 50D and 5DMKII. :)


Thanks for the hands-on preview and samples, Raffy!

I'm looking at the bigger version of the above.... was this a jpeg straight from the camera?

Thanks,

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Re: A quick date with the 5DMKII
« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2008, 08:43:44 PM »
hows the auto ISO?

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Re: A quick date with the 5DMKII
« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2008, 08:54:03 PM »
Raffy, I'm planning to get a new car before  end of year because of this thread ill probably get the 5DMKII instead.  
Pero Intayin ko muna yong HD video i post mo. ;)

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Re: A quick date with the 5DMKII
« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2008, 09:10:41 PM »
I previously owned and used Canon 350D, 20D, 30D and presently use 40D and 5D.
Tested the 50D last week, so I pretty much have tried the different AF systems not to mention my own D300 and korevo's D3 which I used at the WWA Wakeboarding Worlds Championships last July 2008.

Here comes 5DMKII with 9 pt. AF........ but for Landscapes, travel and studio work do you need more?
Let me just compare this new Canon against other Canon models, lest i be flamed into arguments with other brands. Besides Canon is not paying me for this, so why bother make a  fight. :)

Frame rate is just a notch faster than clunky 5D but the 5DMKII AF especially in AI servo auto focus burst is much more responsive and very accurate in tracking subject.

5DMKII with my 100-400L IS















Wanna see the details at 21MP. Treat me for coffee. :D
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Re: A quick date with the 5DMKII
« Reply #16 on: September 21, 2008, 09:18:05 PM »
Hi Sir Raf :)

How does the AWB respond in different conditions? :) I might looking for perfect white balance that will be right under a tungsten light agad, but just the regular outdoor shoot on AWB?

BTW how is its metering on Evaluative Metering on AV? :)

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Re: A quick date with the 5DMKII
« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2008, 09:18:45 PM »
That soccer sequence was shot with auto ISO, TV 1/800.
It adjust 1/focal length minimum shutter speed on AV mode and  adjusts accordingly up to ISO 3200 maximum. No Auto ISO yata pag manual mode. I did not try.

I cannot argue whether it's better or not vs Nikon Auto ISO where the values are set bt the user.

Next hi ISO :)

hows the auto ISO?
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Re: A quick date with the 5DMKII
« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2008, 09:22:46 PM »
Good stuff there Raffy!

IMO, the 5D-Mk1 was never meant for sports (that is why I have both a 5D-Mk1 and a 1D-IIn for action shots) and the 5D-II is in-line with its roots (3 years ago, most dSLRs had 4-8 megapixels). Pros and prosumers who bought the Mk1 use it to capture as much detail as possible and in my experience - when I crop a lot, I always wished I had more than 12megapixels. 21megapixels @ 3.9 fps, theoretically is about as fast as a 10megapixel @ 8 fps.

Regarding the AF points, according to Canon, these are:

• 6 "Invisible Assist AF points"
• All points cross-type for lenses of F5.6 or faster
• Center point additionally sensitive with lenses of F2.8 or faster

...so definitely not the same as the ones we currently have with the Mk1.

A couple of things I should want to note is that, the 5D-II's price point ($2699), it is still the cheapest FF you could buy (when available) in the market. Secondly, a lot of people are expecting all the features found on the 1Ds-III which costs $8K or the D3 which is $5K or the D700 which is half the resolution @ $3K. We should also realize that Canon and Nikon are two different companies with different thinking. And as you mentioned, it would be *toink* if Canon made the 5D-II with all the 1Ds-III goodies in it - I doubt if anyone would do something to kill their own product line.

Of course, the 5D-II is not for everyone just like every other body on the market. If someone needs more than 9 AF points + 10fps, doesn't care about  21megapixels and wants to have a Canon, the 1D-III should be more than enough.

Nevertheless, great mini-review on the camera. I could see a lot of details and gradient on the underexposed parts of the pics with no noticeable noise. Again, good stuff! Good job man!

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Re: A quick date with the 5DMKII
« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2008, 09:23:57 PM »
Yes Master Romy. I just shot all JPEG large knowing that I still cannot convert 5DMKII RAW and to save space in my 8G CF card also shooting MP hungry HD videos.

Picture styles: Standard Sharpness 5 Contrast +1 Saturation +1 processed in LR2 for basic tone adjustment and minor sharpening.

Just like the 40D ISO test we collaborated last year, I just did the same with both 50D and 5DMKII. :)



Thanks, Raffy.... I'm also considering the camera - it has high enough pixel density (circa 8 MP at 1.6 crop) for birding (non-BIF shots), and that affords me more freedom of composition. Also, if I can get close enough to the bird and avoid cropping, the prints can easily make 24"x36" or even larger with good feather detail even when viewed up close.  :)



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