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Help! Options on available mirrorless cameras..
« on: May 08, 2013, 02:17:07 AM »
Hello!

I've been inactive in the world of photography for quite sometime and now I'm considering retiring my gear and replacing them with a compact camera. I currently have my 50D which i really love but I'm getting less chances of using it. Since its quite big & heavy for travel, and not much opportunity to have photowalks with my friends, I'm considering a compact which would be easier bring anywhere. Also considering that my 50D doesn't have video capabilities.

Would like to get some ideas on some good mirrorless cameras that I can replace my 50D with. We'll considerations would be price to performance, video & can be shot on manual. Shame though that I might need to sell my lenses as well to make the transition.

I'm seeing some good reviews for Olympus releases and Lumix. Just not sure since I also saw some "not so good" reviews.

Hope someone can help me to some options. Sorry in advance if this might be a repost of something.
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Re: Help! Options on available mirrorless cameras..
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2013, 06:52:35 AM »
if you want to keep your lenses, get a Canon EOS-M. same sensor as the 650D, I think, and it has an adapter so you can use your EF and EF-S lenses. AF speed is reportedly slow, however.

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« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2013, 08:26:48 AM »
Fuji X-E1  :)

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Re: Help! Options on available mirrorless cameras..
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2013, 08:57:50 AM »
I kept my 550D at the same time bumili ako ng OLY EP L5 na basic 2 lens kit 14 42/40 150 for 32K Ang pinakamalaking difference para sa akin ay mahirap i steady ang ang OLY using the LCD monitor at arms length kumpara sa OVF. Pag dating sa video wala akong ideya, bago ako mag EP L5 I was considering a Panny G5 (mas OK raw ang video capabilities ng Panny as compared to Canons at Olys) pero walang available dito sa MMla ang isa pang problema sa Panny wala ring makuhang mga spare batteries from local dealers at pag dating sa mga M43 napakaiksi ng battery life. Kung mahilig ka sa mga filters mahirap din mag hanap ng 37 mm size.

May kanya kanyang purposes ang dalawang system na ito Pag static at mga posing posing ok ang OLY pero pag malilikot na mga bata mas gusto ko ang 550D at pag dating sa mga madidilim no choice ako and I use my Canon dahil may 430EX II while ang Oly ko may maliit na flash lang


Para sa akin stay away from EOS M at antayin mo na lang ang Canon SL1 (100D) kung prefer mo ang CMPI Warranty pero available na ito ngayon kay DB Gadgets SL1 is a mini version ng mga EOS xxxD. Sa EOS M bukod sa napakabagal daw mag focus, maliit nga ang body pero malaki pa rin ang mga EF/EFS lenses at kailangan mo pa ng adapter while sa SL1 diretso na ang salpak ng lente at may OVF pa.

BTW Hobbyist lang po ako.

I-share ko itong dalawang links baka makatulong

HH: Why Choose Mirrorless over DSLR?


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Re: Help! Options on available mirrorless cameras..
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2013, 01:02:45 PM »
if you want to keep your lenses, get a Canon EOS-M. same sensor as the 650D, I think, and it has an adapter so you can use your EF and EF-S lenses. AF speed is reportedly slow, however.

yup! same idea if i want to retain my lenses.. bothered lng ako sa nakita kong review na mabagal nga daw ang AF and much worse using adapters for ef-s lenses.. pero nasa options ko na yan.. thanks!
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« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2013, 01:14:24 PM »
I kept my 550D at the same time bumili ako ng OLY EP L5 na basic 2 lens kit 14 42/40 150 for 32K Ang pinakamalaking difference para sa akin ay mahirap i steady ang ang OLY using the LCD monitor at arms length kumpara sa OVF. Pag dating sa video wala akong ideya, bago ako mag EP L5 I was considering a Panny G5 (mas OK raw ang video capabilities ng Panny as compared to Canons at Olys) pero walang available dito sa MMla ang isa pang problema sa Panny wala ring makuhang mga spare batteries from local dealers at pag dating sa mga M43 napakaiksi ng battery life. Kung mahilig ka sa mga filters mahirap din mag hanap ng 37 mm size.

May kanya kanyang purposes ang dalawang system na ito Pag static at mga posing posing ok ang OLY pero pag malilikot na mga bata mas gusto ko ang 550D at pag dating sa mga madidilim no choice ako and I use my Canon dahil may 430EX II while ang Oly ko may maliit na flash lang


Para sa akin stay away from EOS M at antayin mo na lang ang Canon SL1 (100D) kung prefer mo ang CMPI Warranty pero available na ito ngayon kay DB Gadgets SL1 is a mini version ng mga EOS xxxD. Sa EOS M bukod sa napakabagal daw mag focus, maliit nga ang body pero malaki pa rin ang mga EF/EFS lenses at kailangan mo pa ng adapter while sa SL1 diretso na ang salpak ng lente at may OVF pa.

BTW Hobbyist lang po ako.

I-share ko itong dalawang links baka makatulong

HH: Why Choose Mirrorless over DSLR?

http://www.littlebigtravelingcamera.com/?p=1991

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thanks sir! ganda ng detailed advice mo. noted yan. ill try doing a little more research. hobbyist lang din naman ako kaya prang iniisip ko nasasayang ung capability ng 50D ko sakin. bihira na kasing magamit. nqhihirapan narin ako dalhin lagi sa laki.
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« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2013, 05:38:32 PM »
I kept my 550D at the same time bumili ako ng OLY EP L5 na basic 2 lens kit 14 42/40 150 for 32K Ang pinakamalaking difference para sa akin ay mahirap i steady ang ang OLY using the LCD monitor at arms length kumpara sa OVF. Pag dating sa video wala akong ideya, bago ako mag EP L5 I was considering a Panny G5 (mas OK raw ang video capabilities ng Panny as compared to Canons at Olys) pero walang available dito sa MMla ang isa pang problema sa Panny wala ring makuhang mga spare batteries from local dealers at pag dating sa mga M43 napakaiksi ng battery life. Kung mahilig ka sa mga filters mahirap din mag hanap ng 37 mm size.

May kanya kanyang purposes ang dalawang system na ito Pag static at mga posing posing ok ang OLY pero pag malilikot na mga bata mas gusto ko ang 550D at pag dating sa mga madidilim no choice ako and I use my Canon dahil may 430EX II while ang Oly ko may maliit na flash lang


Para sa akin stay away from EOS M at antayin mo na lang ang Canon SL1 (100D) kung prefer mo ang CMPI Warranty pero available na ito ngayon kay DB Gadgets SL1 is a mini version ng mga EOS xxxD. Sa EOS M bukod sa napakabagal daw mag focus, maliit nga ang body pero malaki pa rin ang mga EF/EFS lenses at kailangan mo pa ng adapter while sa SL1 diretso na ang salpak ng lente at may OVF pa.

BTW Hobbyist lang po ako.

I-share ko itong dalawang links baka makatulong

HH: Why Choose Mirrorless over DSLR?

http://www.littlebigtravelingcamera.com/?p=1991

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I beg to disagree regarding "pag low light mas okay Ang 550D". You cannot compare an external flash you have vs the built in flash of Oly. Try having an external flash also for your Oly.

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Re: Help! Options on available mirrorless cameras..
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2013, 06:19:30 PM »
I kept my 550D at the same time bumili ako ng OLY EP L5 na basic 2 lens kit 14 42/40 150 for 32K Ang pinakamalaking difference para sa akin ay mahirap i steady ang ang OLY using the LCD monitor at arms length kumpara sa OVF. Pag dating sa video wala akong ideya, bago ako mag EP L5 I was considering a Panny G5 (mas OK raw ang video capabilities ng Panny as compared to Canons at Olys) pero walang available dito sa MMla ang isa pang problema sa Panny wala ring makuhang mga spare batteries from local dealers at pag dating sa mga M43 napakaiksi ng battery life. Kung mahilig ka sa mga filters mahirap din mag hanap ng 37 mm size.

May kanya kanyang purposes ang dalawang system na ito Pag static at mga posing posing ok ang OLY pero pag malilikot na mga bata mas gusto ko ang 550D at pag dating sa mga madidilim no choice ako and I use my Canon dahil may 430EX II while ang Oly ko may maliit na flash lang


Para sa akin stay away from EOS M at antayin mo na lang ang Canon SL1 (100D) kung prefer mo ang CMPI Warranty pero available na ito ngayon kay DB Gadgets SL1 is a mini version ng mga EOS xxxD. Sa EOS M bukod sa napakabagal daw mag focus, maliit nga ang body pero malaki pa rin ang mga EF/EFS lenses at kailangan mo pa ng adapter while sa SL1 diretso na ang salpak ng lente at may OVF pa.

BTW Hobbyist lang po ako.

I-share ko itong dalawang links baka makatulong

HH: Why Choose Mirrorless over DSLR?

http://www.littlebigtravelingcamera.com/?p=1991

 :)


I beg to disagree regarding "pag low light mas okay Ang 550D". You cannot compare an external flash you have vs the built in flash of Oly. Try having an external flash also for your Oly.




Correct po kayo sir may mga versatile external flashes for Oly. In my case ayokong mag invest for another FL 36R or 600R kasi may option ako na gamitin ang 550D

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« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2013, 09:18:38 AM »
I kept my 550D at the same time bumili ako ng OLY EP L5 na basic 2 lens kit 14 42/40 150 for 32K Ang pinakamalaking difference para sa akin ay mahirap i steady ang ang OLY using the LCD monitor at arms length kumpara sa OVF. Pag dating sa video wala akong ideya, bago ako mag EP L5 I was considering a Panny G5 (mas OK raw ang video capabilities ng Panny as compared to Canons at Olys) pero walang available dito sa MMla ang isa pang problema sa Panny wala ring makuhang mga spare batteries from local dealers at pag dating sa mga M43 napakaiksi ng battery life. Kung mahilig ka sa mga filters mahirap din mag hanap ng 37 mm size.

May kanya kanyang purposes ang dalawang system na ito Pag static at mga posing posing ok ang OLY pero pag malilikot na mga bata mas gusto ko ang 550D at pag dating sa mga madidilim no choice ako and I use my Canon dahil may 430EX II while ang Oly ko may maliit na flash lang


Para sa akin stay away from EOS M at antayin mo na lang ang Canon SL1 (100D) kung prefer mo ang CMPI Warranty pero available na ito ngayon kay DB Gadgets SL1 is a mini version ng mga EOS xxxD. Sa EOS M bukod sa napakabagal daw mag focus, maliit nga ang body pero malaki pa rin ang mga EF/EFS lenses at kailangan mo pa ng adapter while sa SL1 diretso na ang salpak ng lente at may OVF pa.

BTW Hobbyist lang po ako.

I-share ko itong dalawang links baka makatulong

HH: Why Choose Mirrorless over DSLR?

http://www.littlebigtravelingcamera.com/?p=1991

 :)


I beg to disagree regarding "pag low light mas okay Ang 550D". You cannot compare an external flash you have vs the built in flash of Oly. Try having an external flash also for your Oly.




Correct po kayo sir may mga versatile external flashes for Oly. In my case ayokong mag invest for another FL 36R or 600R kasi may option ako na gamitin ang 550D


Noted on this one bro.  Thanks.
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Re: Help! Options on available mirrorless cameras..
« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2013, 12:27:43 PM »
If I were absolutely in love with my Canon lenses (like if I had a stable of L lenses) but needed a small, light body, then I would skip the sluggish EOS-M and check out the EOS100d.

But if all I had were the kit lenses (don't get me wrong, they are decent, but not the last word in performance), I'd consider a micro-4/3's system even at the expense of changing out lenses.

I've sold my Nikon 24-70 and D700 since for my purpose, an EPL-5 and the Panasonic 12-35 is enough. My 70-200 VR2 is for sale as the Olympus 75mm is enough. Note, I did not say better, I said for my use, the m4/3's system is sufficient.

I've tried the Panasonic-Leica 25mm, Olympus 45mm, Olympus 60mm micro. Reviews of the 12mm are fantastic (have not tried it). For my use, these are smaller, lighter, cheaper than their Canon L or Nikon f/1.4 prime equivalent without giving up much on image quality.

I used to have a multi-strobe set-up using Nikon's CLS. Great stuff especially in a studio setting. The thing is, a lot of my photos are taken while travelling and lugging an FX body, f/2.8 bazooka zooms, and multiple speedlights means I also have to lug around a chiropractor!

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« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2013, 01:18:46 PM »
The thing is, a lot of my photos are taken while travelling and lugging an FX body, f/2.8 bazooka zooms, and multiple speedlights means I also have to lug around a chiropractor!

That's my point as well sir! Spot on! I love my 50D, but it's becoming impractical for a hobbyist like me to keep carrying it around during events and especially travels. My sigma 2.8 is really killing my arms due to it's weight and I'm finding less and less chances to use it (last was Oct 2012 & then April 2013). It's been sleeping in my makeshift drybox.

Right now I'm considering the Sony Nex-6Y mainly because it's got my current range (except for the UWA) but as you said "it's enough for me". I' was also considering the E-PL5 but the grip was the point where I preferred the sony. I'm afraid I might drop it. haha! The Sony lens selection doesn't bother me much since "I think" they have what I need. I guess this means I'm pretty decided to get the Nex =).

Now the only problem is disposing my stuff. I think the mods disabled my rights to post at the FS section due to my inactivity. Anyway, guess I just need to "return" to my old self with these forums.

Thanks all for those valuable suggestions!
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« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2013, 02:02:42 PM »
The thing is, a lot of my photos are taken while travelling and lugging an FX body, f/2.8 bazooka zooms, and multiple speedlights means I also have to lug around a chiropractor!

That's my point as well sir! Spot on! I love my 50D, but it's becoming impractical for a hobbyist like me to keep carrying it around during events and especially travels. My sigma 2.8 is really killing my arms due to it's weight and I'm finding less and less chances to use it (last was Oct 2012 & then April 2013). It's been sleeping in my makeshift drybox.

Right now I'm considering the Sony Nex-6Y mainly because it's got my current range (except for the UWA) but as you said "it's enough for me". I' was also considering the E-PL5 but the grip was the point where I preferred the sony. I'm afraid I might drop it. haha! The Sony lens selection doesn't bother me much since "I think" they have what I need. I guess this means I'm pretty decided to get the Nex =).

Now the only problem is disposing my stuff. I think the mods disabled my rights to post at the FS section due to my inactivity. Anyway, guess I just need to "return" to my old self with these forums.

Thanks all for those valuable suggestions!

Olympus recently launched a new one, the EP5. Check it out first.
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« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2013, 07:25:11 PM »
I will consider the Gh3 +12-35 2.8 and the 35-100 2.8. You are covered from almost critical FL plus a very good movie cam.IMHO.

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« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2013, 08:55:32 PM »
Before I bought my EPL-5, I looked at the Sony NEXs because they have an excellent sensor. I opted out of Sony's since only thay had only one lens I liked, the Zeiss 24.

Fuji is interesting as well but it seems the AF issues continue.

Panasonic appear to have great zooms (7-14, 12-35, 35-100) and a couple of great primes like the 25mm Summilux.

Olympus appear to have great primes (12, 45, 75, and 60 Macro).

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« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2013, 02:29:16 PM »
 For me, Olympus, Panasonic, and Sony are about even keel. It depends on how you will use it or what is important to you.

 For example, I tend to like to do video too. So, it's better for me to go Panasonic or Sony. Hilaw ang implementation ng video sa Olympus. 

   I also know what Sony is "thinking." So far, so good. As I suspect they are executing their plans to a tee like I thought they would, and more! Panasonic is good, but it will move and turn around slowly. So, I am betting on Sony to deliver the goods on all fronts. And it is. I won't go to details, but let's say, my subject on Technology and Forecasting is spot on and I can read between the lines of what Sony will do 3 years ago and now it's coming to fruituition.

   I believe Sony has a 10% stake on Olympus. Even at this small percentage, it's significant enough for them to plan as to what to do with m4/3 vs E lenses. Trust me, they won't kill off the Oly name or its products. They'll transfer and use each others tech and strengths and come out with great products either way you choose. This is why Oly suddenly became "good." Now they have and are using Sony's sensors. This has been their chink in the armour of the past. Weak sensor. Now, Sony can use their multi-axis stabilization, and lens making/design know-how. Win-win.

   In my case, I'd get a Sony. Not because Oly or Panny are bad. It's more because that is what suits me and my shooting style and temperament. Video shooting is also better with Sony.

  Many complain that Sony's weakness is the lens. That WAS true. Remember, lens making is not the same business as camera making. It's really 2 separate and very, very expensive businesses. It's hard to fight many battles in multiple fronts. Enter Zeiss to help Sony out. And Tamron, and Sigma. In this way, Sony will concentrate on the sensor and camera body, while the lens makers who are good at making lens will fill in the blanks. Less capital, less inventory, less R&D, etc.

  If Canon and Nikon does not do anything in the next 12-18 months, the tide will change soon. Yes, dslr's will still sell a lot. But then again, you don't really change the direction in just 2-3 years. Sure, Canon and Nikon won't take this sitting down, but without R&D and products specifically for mirrorless, they will be behind by at least 2-3 years. Yes, they do have one now, but they are half hearted. They are still protecting their DSLR.

  In 2-3 months we'll see if Sony's U$399 A3000 will make an impact or not. It's really a mirroless camera in a dslr body. If indeed it's just a question of perception, and people couldn't care less if a camera is mirrorless or not, but buy them because they look like a dslr, then this should make a headway in the USA where the mirrorless camp is having a hard time cracking. At U$399 for a kit with an EVF and LCD to view the shot, that's going to be some cheap Rebel like camera!
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« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2013, 10:21:44 PM »
I will consider the Gh3 +12-35 2.8 and the 35-100 2.8. You are covered from almost critical FL plus a very good movie cam.IMHO.

I agree with this when size and weight is paramount but specially so if video is an important factor. 

The GH3 is a very good still camera like the E-M5 but has the advantage of being excellent in video.  None of the current crop of mirrorless camera can match the Panasonic GH3 in video specially when shooting for long duration.  In direct sunlight, my Sony NEX overheats in less than 20 minutes and will need a battery change after one hour but my GH3 can continue recording for over 2 hours without any problem whatsoever and with no need to change battery.  The video quality of the GH3 is also much better than the NEX.  I now only bring my GH3 along with my GH2 when covering the Aliwan Festival for example.

Furthermore, the GH3 has the advantage of having the small and compact 12-35mm f2.8 and the 35-100 f2.8 zoom lens.  There is currently no equivalent for these zoom lens for the Sony NEX.  When Sony finally comes out with a constant f2.8 zoom for the NEX, it will surely be bigger and heavier.  I use my NEX mainly with prime lenses.

If video is not as important, the Panasonic GX-7 and the Olympus E-M5 and upcoming E-M1 are good choices.
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Panasonic GM1--so small, so cute! Yes, there are ergonomic compromises but oh my, that is one pretty little camera!

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