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Re: DO NOT SIGN!!! Photographers! Time to stand up for your rights!
« Reply #80 on: May 07, 2008, 12:01:49 PM »
I think the summit issue has been resolved since I have started to notice that Louie A, the thread starter, have photos appearing in summit magazines already.

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I second on this one. I think I posted earlier that matter benefited production suppliers (illustrators, stylist, etc) as well. Few months after this post, I received a suppliers contract addressing most issues brought up by the thread starter.

I just hope Louie clarifies the matter if indeed the party resolved the issue.



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Re: DO NOT SIGN!!! Photographers! Time to stand up for your rights!
« Reply #80 on: May 07, 2008, 12:01:49 PM »

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Re: DO NOT SIGN!!! Photographers! Time to stand up for your rights!
« Reply #81 on: May 08, 2008, 10:40:33 AM »
i will support this crusade...

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Re: DO NOT SIGN!!! Photographers! Time to stand up for your rights!
« Reply #82 on: May 18, 2008, 05:06:41 PM »
hope this never happens again... but then again, photographers just starting out would gladly accept these terms just for them to get 'known' or 'noticed' :( sad reality...

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Re: DO NOT SIGN!!! Photographers! Time to stand up for your rights!
« Reply #83 on: June 07, 2008, 12:08:57 PM »
That's life. There are always people who are inclined to take advantage of others.  >:(

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Re: DO NOT SIGN!!! Photographers! Time to stand up for your rights!
« Reply #84 on: August 17, 2008, 09:53:20 AM »
dapat i-boycott na lang ng mga photographer ang magazines na yan or ng publisher.

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Re: DO NOT SIGN!!! Photographers! Time to stand up for your rights!
« Reply #85 on: August 20, 2008, 01:08:13 AM »
I beleive in the word..Compromise..

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Re: DO NOT SIGN!!! Photographers! Time to stand up for your rights!
« Reply #86 on: August 21, 2008, 02:57:06 AM »
napansin nyo ba local newspapers naten? ang mga photos at article nila kinukuha lang sa yahoo. di niririspeto copyright sa bansa naten aww
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Re: DO NOT SIGN!!! Photographers! Time to stand up for your rights!
« Reply #87 on: October 04, 2008, 07:31:12 PM »
napansin nyo ba local newspapers naten? ang mga photos at article nila kinukuha lang sa yahoo. di niririspeto copyright sa bansa naten aww

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Then they enhance manipulate it sa PIRATED photoshop software. Double thieves !
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Re: DO NOT SIGN!!! Photographers! Time to stand up for your rights!
« Reply #88 on: October 09, 2008, 04:00:08 PM »
i think we should draft a formal letter of complain and gather all photographer's signature and submit it to them to let them know our thoughts and feelings.


i totally agree with you sir...

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Re: DO NOT SIGN!!! Photographers! Time to stand up for your rights!
« Reply #89 on: November 26, 2008, 04:10:17 PM »
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Then they enhance manipulate it sa PIRATED photoshop software. Double thieves !

What's worse some of them even remove watermarks placed there by the original photographer!

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Re: DO NOT SIGN!!! Photographers! Time to stand up for your rights!
« Reply #90 on: December 10, 2008, 10:07:57 PM »
For a while I thought Summit upped the rate for events, but recently, they offer than the usual, reasoning na "short event" or "simple event" lang naman.  Sure I can refuse, but they'll just get some newbie out there with a D40 or 350/400/450D who will shoot for food.

Hirap talaga buhay ngayon if you don't have connect from the inside.:)

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Re: DO NOT SIGN!!! Photographers! Time to stand up for your rights!
« Reply #91 on: December 10, 2008, 10:11:56 PM »
And worse, present Philippine law doesn't deal directly with digital photos; no law exists specifically for digital photographs, so you have to rely on other existing laws which do diddly.

I could go on but I'm not a lawyer anymore....:)

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Re: DO NOT SIGN!!! Photographers! Time to stand up for your rights!
« Reply #92 on: February 01, 2009, 12:33:00 AM »
I agree with you guys, do not sign if it means relinquishing your rights to your images!
Hope all the members of Pipho and even those photographers visiting this site get to read this thread.

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Re: DO NOT SIGN!!! Photographers! Time to stand up for your rights!
« Reply #93 on: February 03, 2009, 05:28:54 PM »
Oh my, I haven't been to the forum in a long time and got so busy with a lot of things I didn't realize that this thread is still active.
Anyway, for the record. The whole incident served as a good opportunity for photographers to unite to take steps to protect the industry they are a part of.
In fairness to Summit Media, their leadership was very quick to apologize and were very accomodating in trying to work things out with the photographers.
As part of the negotiating team, I would like to comment that we were very pleased with the response of the leadership of Summit and also felt bad that it went out of hand with some people saying bad things about them in some forums that weren't true. By and large, Summit being the largest magazine publishing house has contributed tremendously in developing the careers and talents of many many photographers.
Anyway, the result of the negotiations was a contract that took into consideration the concerns of the editorial photographers , the rights due them, plus some concessions that seemed appropriate to be given to the publishers.
The contract was revised several times as it bounced back and forth as both sides tried to refine it. In July 2007, a final draft was approved by both sides.


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Re: DO NOT SIGN!!! Photographers! Time to stand up for your rights!
« Reply #94 on: February 03, 2009, 06:44:52 PM »
Oh my, I haven't been to the forum in a long time and got so busy with a lot of things I didn't realize that this thread is still active.
Anyway, for the record. The whole incident served as a good opportunity for photographers to unite to take steps to protect the industry they are a part of.
In fairness to Summit Media, their leadership was very quick to apologize and were very accomodating in trying to work things out with the photographers.
As part of the negotiating team, I would like to comment that we were very pleased with the response of the leadership of Summit and also felt bad that it went out of hand with some people saying bad things about them in some forums that weren't true. By and large, Summit being the largest magazine publishing house has contributed tremendously in developing the careers and talents of many many photographers.
Anyway, the result of the negotiations was a contract that took into consideration the concerns of the editorial photographers , the rights due them, plus some concessions that seemed appropriate to be given to the publishers.
The contract was revised several times as it bounced back and forth as both sides tried to refine it. In July 2007, a final draft was approved by both sides.




Thank God Louie, you remember this thread. In fact I was saying this had not only benefited the photographers but all profession revolving the publication industry - artists, illustrators .... (very particular the creative and visual field).

I'm saying this because I do work for the Summit as contributing illustrator and I had signed similar contracts and I must agree that your initiative paid off.

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Re: DO NOT SIGN!!! Photographers! Time to stand up for your rights!
« Reply #95 on: February 09, 2009, 02:17:38 PM »
It's a good thing that this incident was prevented before other photographers sign similar contracts without understanding what's written in it.

To Sir Louie and to the negotiating team, saludo sa inyo. Thanks very much for bringing this up.

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Re: DO NOT SIGN!!! Photographers! Time to stand up for your rights!
« Reply #96 on: February 19, 2009, 04:09:29 AM »
Apparently, I havent been posting since 2007 but I read this and I appreciated it so much.

Thank you mga sirs!!!
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Re: DO NOT SIGN!!! Photographers! Time to stand up for your rights!
« Reply #97 on: February 27, 2009, 10:37:42 AM »
Hi everyone. National Bookstore is selling a really good book, http://www.amazon.com/Digital-Photographers-Guide-Model-Releases/dp/0470228563/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1235701105&sr=1-1 "A Digital Photographer's Guide to Model Releases: Making the Best Business Decisions with Your Photos of People, Places and Things". It will educate you on what your rights and limits are as a photographer. It also applies to us in the Philippines, since copyright laws are worldwide. I learned so much from it and I highly recommend it!

I was hired by a company to take photos of a concert and I was pretty ticked off because like summit, they required that basically I give up my rights to the photos that I take for them. I was very uncomfortable with this until I read the book and realized that yes, they do have the right to do that. But they have to do it the RIGHT way.

In the book, it says that the hiring company or person must use the phrase "WORK FOR HIRE" or "MADE FOR HIRE" in the contract, and it must be signed by BOTH parties before the work begins. The photographer is then obliged to turn over the photos to the hiring party, otherwise it is a criminal act on the photographer's part. The photographer is not even allowed to make COPIES of the said photos without permission from the hiring company. This is because the photographer is working as a contractor under the work-for-hire provisions.

So do companies like Summit media have the right to ask photographers to give up their rights to their own photos? Surprisingly, YES.

HOWEVER....

Like I said, they have to do it the PROPER way and they need to be DAMN SURE that the photographer is WELL COMPENSATED for all the photographs he is giving up. A measly P3,000 or whatever just won't do. And I think that's what needs to be corrected in the current system that we have here.
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Re: DO NOT SIGN!!! Photographers! Time to stand up for your rights!
« Reply #98 on: April 07, 2009, 11:30:38 PM »
i agree not to sign its *toink* enough that you have to ask permission to use your own photo and more *toink* if you have to pay for it . DONT SIGN!!!
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Re: DO NOT SIGN!!! Photographers! Time to stand up for your rights!
« Reply #99 on: April 13, 2009, 05:22:06 PM »
does an unknowing model (non professional model's picture taken without permission and/or taken as candid shot) have a right to his photo if the photographer uses it commercially/profits from it?

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