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Should I sell my kit lens? (Upgrading gears)
« on: April 13, 2010, 04:40:32 PM »
I've been in photography for more than 4 months using a D90 kit lens and so far I could say that the types of photos I've taken are the following:
- Portraits (my wife or group portraits)
- Bokeh (kaka adik ;D)
- On weddings, most are candid shots. I love shooting people's reactions especially when guests get emotional or get excited. Yung bang kilig moment. Pati yung mga behind the scenes hehehe...buti na lang friend ko mga ikinasal kaya ok lang. So far naka dalwang wedding nako.
- Praise & worship team in our church. In low light most of the time and lots of singing and body movements.
- Gatherings. Again most of the time in a low light situations. (KTV rooms, restaurants).
- Kids playing and running around.

My experience with the kit lens, I think is not fast enough to produce sharp images. I've tried using SB600 and SB400 which I borrowed from a friend and my own RD2000.

Now, another friend wants to buy a D90 body and suggested that I sell my 18-105 VR to him since he knows that I'm thinking of upgrading my gears. Based from what I've learned from the masters of  PiPho, f2.8 is the way to go.

Now, here are my questions. Do I sell my kit lens to add funds for a new lens? Due to a tight budget, I can only afford third party gears. I'm looking at getting a Sigma 24-70 2.8 Macro (Tamron maybe) priced at about 24K and a Sunpak PZ42X priced at 7,200. Pagtapos 50 1.8 at 6K. Siguro after 3 months eh 70-200 2.8 priced not more than 40K for an unobtrusive photography. Tapos no more. Delete GAS list ;D

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Should I sell my kit lens? (Upgrading gears)
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Re: Should I sell my kit lens? (Upgrading gears)
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2010, 04:52:34 PM »
if you have no plans of using it after buying the new gear then sell it sa presyong kaibigan. hehehe.

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Re: Should I sell my kit lens? (Upgrading gears)
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2010, 05:05:56 PM »
if you have no plans of using it after buying the new gear then sell it sa presyong kaibigan. hehehe.

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Hi acentian. Hindi ko pa talaga masabi kung wala nako plano gamitin pa, kasi newbie ako at hindi ko alam kung kakailanganin ko pa. Bilhin daw ng friend ko yung kit lens sa halagang 5k :o hindi ba ako lugi non hehehe
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Re: Should I sell my kit lens? (Upgrading gears)
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2010, 05:12:52 PM »
suggestion lang sir.. kung gusto mo tlga ung mga bokeh & candids iba tlga ung 70-200.. pero kung ganun bibilhin mo, don't sell your kit lens.. hirap ang walang wide.. nangyari sakin e.. hehehe.. ;D

canon ako pero friends kong nikon contented naman sa 18-105 nila.. baka lang kasi mabitin ka sa 24-70mm for group shots (or more especially landscapes kung magkachance ka).. just a thought.. :)
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Re: Should I sell my kit lens? (Upgrading gears)
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2010, 05:17:09 PM »
Hi acentian. Hindi ko pa talaga masabi kung wala nako plano gamitin pa, kasi newbie ako at hindi ko alam kung kakailanganin ko pa. Bilhin daw ng friend ko yung kit lens sa halagang 5k :o hindi ba ako lugi non hehehe

sa nakita ko sa plan mo 24-70 and then 70-200 in the future. assuming makukuha mo yung 24-70 soon, i'd let go of 18-105. dagdag pondo din yun. ako kasi di gaanong nagshoot sa long end ng zoom lens so ganun feeling ko.

if you continually shoot on the long end, keep it. else save up for that 70-200 :D

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Re: Should I sell my kit lens? (Upgrading gears)
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2010, 05:20:15 PM »
suggestion lang sir.. kung gusto mo tlga ung mga bokeh & candids iba tlga ung 70-200.. pero kung ganun bibilhin mo, don't sell your kit lens.. hirap ang walang wide.. nangyari sakin e.. hehehe.. ;D

canon ako pero friends kong nikon contented naman sa 18-105 nila.. baka lang kasi mabitin ka sa 24-70mm for group shots (or more especially landscapes kung magkachance ka).. just a thought.. :)
Hi bl@ze_01. Tama ka nga sir. Sa bokeh maganda ang image kapag todo ang kit lens ko sa 105mm. Bitin ba talaga ang 24mm sa group shots...I was hoping that you would say na ibenta ko na kit lens ko hehehe....para may pandagdag sa bagong lens. Thanks sir sa advice.
« Last Edit: April 13, 2010, 05:22:21 PM by francoemignon »
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Re: Should I sell my kit lens? (Upgrading gears)
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2010, 05:23:48 PM »
You can sell it if you want.... 2nd ako sa pila if you decide to sell it ha.....

Tamron 2.8 is good 17-50 ata yun.... 24-70 may not be enough... but sigma 24-70 is good. i use to have one... maganda talaga sya...most of the photos found on the link below are taken using sigma 24-70.. most of which are raw from the cam except for cropping.....

I use to have the 18-105 kit lens with my d90... but since i already have the 17-55 and 70-200, i sold it... after few months... i bought another one... mabigat kasi yung mga 2.8 for walk around... usually naman hinde ko kailangan ng 2.8 pag pang out of town trips.....

pero binenta ko ulit kasi bumili ako ng 50mm 1.4.....

now i need to buy the kit lens again... mabigat talaga ang 2.8 pang walk around..... so next in line na ako sir pag benta mo...

perhaps based on my personal experience sir you can decide kung kailangan mo ba ibenta or not.....
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Re: Should I sell my kit lens? (Upgrading gears)
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2010, 05:29:20 PM »
if i were you dont sell it para pag nagupgrade ka body mo may kitlens sya kasama pagbinenta :)
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Re: Should I sell my kit lens? (Upgrading gears)
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2010, 05:30:31 PM »
Bilhin daw ng friend ko yung kit lens sa halagang 5k :o hindi ba ako lugi non hehehe
aw.. mura naman. hehe. swak na yan sa presyong kaibigan. can we be friends? kidding aside.

if you are in a tight budget then let go of your kit lens to add up some cash.. 24-70 2.8 is soo good in low light situation pero (they are right also) baka mabitin ka sa wide since you're not using an FF body naman. tammy 17-50 can be a replacement for that but i think you'll find a hard time to shoot candid since you only have 50mm max focal length. save up a bit for additional tammy 70-200 2.8

sigma lenses are also good though.
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Re: Should I sell my kit lens? (Upgrading gears)
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2010, 05:34:05 PM »
5k for an 18-105 kit lens is too low. mega-lugi ka sa deal na ito. they sell for at least 12K.. ive rarely seen anybody let them go for 10K or less.

based on your needs and what youve been shooting, 2.8 or faster seems to solve your predicament. but note na not all the time do you need that 2.8. there are other ways of getting that additional light by proper use of indoor lights and also by using external speedlights..

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Re: Should I sell my kit lens? (Upgrading gears)
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2010, 05:39:19 PM »
if youre selling it cheap....why sell it? there are instances that you might need a kit lens in certain conditions. example....

1. you need a good range lens which is compact which you could bring to a hike, cave trek...and if you can only bring one lens.

2. you need a lens where in you could attach to a reverse lense adapter to do macro shots.

3. you need a lens where in you could do rugged things with it cause you dont have to wory about the cost of a more expensive lens.

point is youll never know when youre going to need it.  ;D
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Re: Should I sell my kit lens? (Upgrading gears)
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2010, 06:06:56 PM »
You can always buy it again if you feel the need, so as long as you sell it close to the prevailing market price, having it in your kit again isn't insurmountable.

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Re: Should I sell my kit lens? (Upgrading gears)
« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2010, 06:19:29 PM »
Get a 50mm/1.8 afd and keep your kit lens.  That way you won't have to spend too much and still experience a fast lens.  You'll be surprised that in more situations, you are getting many advantge with a fast lens.
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Re: Should I sell my kit lens? (Upgrading gears)
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2010, 06:08:49 AM »
Kung hindi ka naman problema sa pondo.. Don't sell it and use it as backup lens.. You never know if your current lens will bug down..

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Re: Should I sell my kit lens? (Upgrading gears)
« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2010, 06:48:13 AM »
if i were you, i'd keep the nikkor 18-105 VR for the meantime.

from my experience, since i'm fond of taking candid pics and since most of the time i take pics of weddings (of my friends and relatives), i bought the sigma 70-200 f2.8 EX HSM zoom lens. Ito yung walang macro. nice bokeh. unobstrusive pa. pero mabigat. sa weddings, mas madalas ito pinangkukuha ko (w/ the nikon sb800) since di naman ako ang principal photographer. and nasa background lang ako.

i have the tamron 28-75 f2.8mm (no BIM). takes sharp pics, good for head and shoulder shots. pero bitin sa group pics. kaya kumuha na ko ng tamron 17-50mm f2.8 (no BIM).

currently, i'm using a nikon D50 (na happy ako talaga sa mga kuha plus the 1/500 flash synchro). the reason i got the tammy 17-50mm with no motor is me padating akong D90. from what i read, mabagal mag-AF ang tammy 17-50 with the built-in motor. kung naka D90 ka na,  you should get the tamron 17-50 f2.8 (no built-in motor) too.

initial shots taken by the tammy 17-50mm f2.8 (no BIM) were very encouraging. sharp at f2.8. very useful in low-light situations. and ok naman sa landscapes.

after a few weeks, i can decide whether to let go of my nikkor 18-55 (non-VR) and my tamron 28-75 f2.8 (no BIM)

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Re: Should I sell my kit lens? (Upgrading gears)
« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2010, 03:22:06 AM »
Get a 50mm/1.8 afd and keep your kit lens.  That way you won't have to spend too much and still experience a fast lens.  You'll be surprised that in more situations, you are getting many advantge with a fast lens.

that's what i did, i bought the nikkor 50mm 1/8f  (for about php5,900) and kept my kitlens...it's all totally worth it. you'll be surprised how sharp and good this nifty fifty is, and the prime lens allowed me to be more creative with my shots. invest in this relatively cheap lens first then upgrade later.

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Re: Should I sell my kit lens? (Upgrading gears)
« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2010, 09:47:08 AM »
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that's what i did, i bought the nikkor 50mm 1/8f  (for about php5,900) and kept my kitlens...it's all totally worth it. you'll be surprised how sharp and good this nifty fifty is, and the prime lens allowed me to be more creative with my shots. invest in this relatively cheap lens first then upgrade later.


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Re: Should I sell my kit lens? (Upgrading gears)
« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2010, 10:54:01 AM »
My share, keep your kitlens and add gears that you really need.  When I started photography I came to a point where I thought of ugrading lens to f2.8 and sell my kit lens (D80 Kit lens) also.  Primarily kaya ko gusto mag f2.8 na lens or fast lens for the purpose of to be able to shoot in low light. Kasi madalas puro indoor ang locations ko when I shoot.  I ended up buying a flash (SB600) and after that I realized na flash pala kailangan ko.  I still kept my kit lens. 

Very versatile ang kit lens mo.  Marami ka paring magagawa na shots sa kit lens mo so might as well keep it.  It has VR so kaya mong makapag shoot as low as 1/10 shutter speed.   

tama si bl@ze_01, 24-70mm mabibitin ka sa group shots. I once borrowed a friends Nikkor 28-70 f2.8 (wow heavy-bigat!) to shoot for an event in a hotel ballroom nabitin ako sa mga group shots.  Good thing I have my kit lens with me (18-135).  I know there is a 4mm difference I suggest you try setting your 18-105 to 24mm and check how far you'll get to shoot a group of 9 persons (assuming they formed one line in curved formation).  BTW, kahit naka f2.8 ang settings ko I still used the flash (bounced). 

If you are really fond of shooting with a nice bokeh and shooting candid shots 70-200 f2.8 is the way to go or kung tight ang budget go for 50mm f1.8 or 50mm f1.4.

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« Reply #18 on: April 15, 2010, 02:44:24 PM »
i agree with sir iskobalt.  :)
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Re: Should I sell my kit lens? (Upgrading gears)
« Reply #19 on: April 15, 2010, 03:06:30 PM »
Don't be so in a rush to sell it. Only sell it when you've completed the idea lens line up that you want or if the focal range of your kit is already covered by new lenses.

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Re: Should I sell my kit lens? (Upgrading gears)
« Reply #20 on: April 20, 2010, 12:49:51 PM »
Yes! I'll keep my 18-105 kit lens. Salamat sa mga payo niyo. :)
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Re: Should I sell my kit lens? (Upgrading gears)
« Reply #21 on: April 20, 2010, 01:56:41 PM »
suggestion lang sir.. kung gusto mo tlga ung mga bokeh & candids iba tlga ung 70-200.. pero kung ganun bibilhin mo, don't sell your kit lens.. hirap ang walang wide.. nangyari sakin e.. hehehe.. ;D

canon ako pero friends kong nikon contented naman sa 18-105 nila.. baka lang kasi mabitin ka sa 24-70mm for group shots (or more especially landscapes kung magkachance ka).. just a thought.. :)
Sure na ako sir sa 70-200 2.8 pag-iipunan ko na. Tammy or Sigma lang. Bitin nga yung 24-70 for group shots. Last weekend, pati nga sa kit lens ko nabitin ako sa group shots. Nasa maliit na ktv room kasi kami ng tropa hehehe....gusto ko na ngayon 17-50 2.8 extra 1mm hehe.. OT: Sir, musta yung Velocity 8x mo? magiging pareho tayo ng lens line-up kung makapag-ipon ako :D.

You can sell it if you want.... 2nd ako sa pila if you decide to sell it ha.....

Tamron 2.8 is good 17-50 ata yun.... 24-70 may not be enough... but sigma 24-70 is good. i use to have one... maganda talaga sya...most of the photos found on the link below are taken using sigma 24-70.. most of which are raw from the cam except for cropping.....

I use to have the 18-105 kit lens with my d90... but since i already have the 17-55 and 70-200, i sold it... after few months... i bought another one... mabigat kasi yung mga 2.8 for walk around... usually naman hinde ko kailangan ng 2.8 pag pang out of town trips.....

pero binenta ko ulit kasi bumili ako ng 50mm 1.4.....

now i need to buy the kit lens again... mabigat talaga ang 2.8 pang walk around..... so next in line na ako sir pag benta mo...

perhaps based on my personal experience sir you can decide kung kailangan mo ba ibenta or not.....
Sir decide nako, hindi ko na muna ibebenta :) Ganda ng advice mo eh. Bili na lang ako ng Tamron 17-50 2.8 tapos ang sunod Tamron or Sigma 70-200 2.8. Sir, pano nyan, mawawalan ako ng focal length of 51mm to 69mm hehehe...Thanks :)

if i were you dont sell it para pag nagupgrade ka body mo may kitlens sya kasama pagbinenta :)
Perfect! Kasama sa future plans ko ang mag upgrade ng body. Gastos na naman to ehehe ;D Thanks orioner00

aw.. mura naman. hehe. swak na yan sa presyong kaibigan. can we be friends? kidding aside.

if you are in a tight budget then let go of your kit lens to add up some cash.. 24-70 2.8 is soo good in low light situation pero (they are right also) baka mabitin ka sa wide since you're not using an FF body naman. tammy 17-50 can be a replacement for that but i think you'll find a hard time to shoot candid since you only have 50mm max focal length. save up a bit for additional tammy 70-200 2.8

sigma lenses are also good though.
Sir memphis, sure we can be friends pero I'll keep na my kit lens hehe :D Kapag nakabili nako ng Tamron 17-50 kay Mang Ramon (huwag lang niya ako takutin ;D) I'll start saving up for the 70-200 2.8 hmmm tammy o sigma kaya ::) Thanks

5k for an 18-105 kit lens is too low. mega-lugi ka sa deal na ito. they sell for at least 12K.. ive rarely seen anybody let them go for 10K or less.

based on your needs and what youve been shooting, 2.8 or faster seems to solve your predicament. but note na not all the time do you need that 2.8. there are other ways of getting that additional light by proper use of indoor lights and also by using external speedlights..


Tama ka mega lugi ako kaya I'll keep it na lang. One of my challenges is using my kit lens indoors. Kaya dagdagan ko pa ang aral at practice just to get the most out of my kit lens. Thanks for the advice :)







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Re: Should I sell my kit lens? (Upgrading gears)
« Reply #22 on: April 24, 2010, 01:51:42 AM »
I've been in photography for more than 4 months using a D90 kit lens and so far I could say that the types of photos I've taken are the following:
- Portraits (my wife or group portraits)
- Bokeh (kaka adik ;D)
- On weddings, most are candid shots. I love shooting people's reactions especially when guests get emotional or get excited. Yung bang kilig moment. Pati yung mga behind the scenes hehehe...buti na lang friend ko mga ikinasal kaya ok lang. So far naka dalwang wedding nako.
- Praise & worship team in our church. In low light most of the time and lots of singing and body movements.
- Gatherings. Again most of the time in a low light situations. (KTV rooms, restaurants).
- Kids playing and running around.


My experience with the kit lens, I think is not fast enough to produce sharp images. I've tried using SB600 and SB400 which I borrowed from a friend and my own RD2000.

Now, another friend wants to buy a D90 body and suggested that I sell my 18-105 VR to him since he knows that I'm thinking of upgrading my gears. Based from what I've learned from the masters of  PiPho, f2.8 is the way to go.

Now, here are my questions. Do I sell my kit lens to add funds for a new lens? Due to a tight budget, I can only afford third party gears. I'm looking at getting a Sigma 24-70 2.8 Macro (Tamron maybe) priced at about 24K and a Sunpak PZ42X priced at 7,200. Pagtapos 50 1.8 at 6K. Siguro after 3 months eh 70-200 2.8 priced not more than 40K for an unobtrusive photography. Tapos no more. Delete GAS list ;D

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Sigma 24-70 is does not focus fast either...in my experience. not sure about the new release if there's one. my old Sigma 24-70 is a bit soft, it makes a good bokeh, just make sure you test the lens thoroughly for front/back focus problem...sigma 24-70 is prone to that.
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