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Author Topic: A Guide for upgrading cameras for the Intermediate user  (Read 54637 times)

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Re: A Guide for upgrading cameras for the Intermediate user
« Reply #60 on: March 18, 2010, 03:44:30 PM »
Very Informative! Now I can still be comfortably happy with my 10mp Nikon D80.  :D

The D90 and the D300 always makes me wanna dump my D80, but when I thouroughly read this articles, I saw new light on my current gear. Thanks and keep up!!

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Re: A Guide for upgrading cameras for the Intermediate user
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Re: A Guide for upgrading cameras for the Intermediate user
« Reply #61 on: March 20, 2010, 06:33:07 PM »
I'm really enjoying this thread.  Bravo caterpillar, BRAVO!   :D

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Re: A Guide for upgrading cameras for the Intermediate user
« Reply #62 on: March 22, 2010, 04:38:51 PM »
thanks sa topic and the knowledge learned

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Re: A Guide for upgrading cameras for the Intermediate user
« Reply #63 on: March 27, 2010, 08:06:16 AM »
Sir,  you are the "Ken Rockwell" of the Philippines. That is,  a more ERUDITE "ken rockwell"! :)

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Re: A Guide for upgrading cameras for the Intermediate user
« Reply #64 on: March 27, 2010, 09:34:18 AM »
@mel
is going d80 from a d40 reasonable? just to compromise the AF issues?
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Re: A Guide for upgrading cameras for the Intermediate user
« Reply #65 on: March 27, 2010, 10:00:23 AM »
Sir,  you are the "Ken Rockwell" of the Philippines. That is,  a more ERUDITE "ken rockwell"! :)
in other Nikon-centric forums, that is considered an insult...

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Re: The next disruptive product/camera
« Reply #66 on: March 27, 2010, 10:36:53 AM »
 Some of you have heard of some of these terms:

   - Paradigm shift
   - Inflection Point
   - Disruptive Technology

   There are other terms but they elude me at this time. And although they may seem the same thing, they are different to a degree. But usually, the effect is the same. Regardless of the terms used, the effect is very much felt and it changes the the landscape significantly. I will not go into a discussion of what these terms mean. Let me just give an example of them that are familiar to you many:


Nice thread Mel. Reminds me of my classes in Technology management at UP. Dr. Roger Posadas kept on repeating that the Technology S curve is the fundamental concept in technology just like the concept of relevant cost and marginal revenue & cost in Business management.
I realized that it wasn't worth it to keep on upgrading my digital cameras once i had my Powershot A620. Kept that until i got the Powershot S5 IS. Waited a year until I got my Nikon D90. I think we should just invest our money on something that appreciates or at least, retains it value.

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Re: A Guide for upgrading cameras for the Intermediate user
« Reply #67 on: March 29, 2010, 07:24:40 AM »
in other Nikon-centric forums, that is considered an insult...

sir, i meant it as a compliment. being a relative newbie with "shallow pockets", i find ken rockwell relevant and helpful. Peace mga phipol, no offense intended! :) :) :)
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Re: A Guide for upgrading cameras for the Intermediate user
« Reply #68 on: April 03, 2010, 02:27:06 PM »
Very Insightful Mel, Fun to Read and Informative. Thanks for this useful Thread.
I'm also contemplating on the 7D, though i have to read first the rumors about the coming 60D.
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Re: A Guide for upgrading cameras for the Intermediate user
« Reply #69 on: April 07, 2010, 07:07:00 PM »
very helpful, informative and insightful:-) thank you for sharing your thoughts:-)

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Re: A Guide for upgrading cameras for the Intermediate user
« Reply #70 on: April 07, 2010, 07:09:04 PM »
much better siguro na lens na lang dagdagan kesa change body:-)

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Re: A Guide for upgrading cameras for the Intermediate user
« Reply #71 on: April 07, 2010, 07:58:22 PM »
Sir,  you are the "Ken Rockwell" of the Philippines. That is,  a more ERUDITE "ken rockwell"! :)

Ouch!  ::) :P

  That's not very complimentary!

  If I were to be like Ken Rockwell, then I will be spreading FUD, misinformation, and ask you to support my site for my growing family. I'd write that you don't really need DSLRs and P&S will do as well, then review DSLRs and make comments on them, and say how great they are and you should buy them.  ::) :P

  A sad thing that many can't differentiate between good information and one that is not.  :(    KR, for me, is misleading a lot of people using techniques of propaganda and misinformation. (I will be posting on this topic later as a guide to evaluating your political candidates. But they work as well with evaluating cameras and gear too).

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Re: A Guide for upgrading cameras for the Intermediate user
« Reply #72 on: April 07, 2010, 08:00:16 PM »
@mel
is going d80 from a d40 reasonable? just to compromise the AF issues?

 A big step backwards, unless you don't mind losing AF, and some other stuff like  mirror lock up, a master flash capability,  and the like. Stick with the d80.
But then again, you may have your own reasons.  :)

 
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Re: The next disruptive product/camera
« Reply #73 on: April 07, 2010, 08:14:15 PM »
Nice thread Mel. Reminds me of my classes in Technology management at UP. Dr. Roger Posadas kept on repeating that the Technology S curve is the fundamental concept in technology just like the concept of relevant cost and marginal revenue & cost in Business management.
I realized that it wasn't worth it to keep on upgrading my digital cameras once i had my Powershot A620. Kept that until i got the Powershot S5 IS. Waited a year until I got my Nikon D90. I think we should just invest our money on something that appreciates or at least, retains it value.

  Was your degree MTM or diploma? Or were you just cross-enrolling? They take only about 50 new students a year compared to MBA w/c is around 350 or so. So, your classmates are really very smart.  ;)

  Most equipment do retain their value. In fact, except in some cases, a d80 is not so far off from a d90 for most stuff we want to do. Any improvement is small, compared to the cost you will be paying for the increase. Of course, every now and then, some new models are really heads up over the previous model. The 10d to 20d jump is such an example. But that is not often. This is why it is better to wait 2-3 models after your own.

  I still use the 20d, and I have no doubt in my mind the 60d will be better by a big margin than my old 20d. However, for most things, the 20d will do. For sure, I will work less harder and miss less shot with a 50d or a 60d, and that is one compelling reason to upgrade. But again, if the 20d worked before, you have to ask yourself, what has changed that now, just because there is a 50d, suddenly the 20d is not working?

  As cameras get better, the need to upgrade them really becomes less and less. Of course, the better low light of today's camera, faster AF, shorter lag times, etc are improvements, but then again, from my POV, most improvements just makes the automated part easier (AF, exposure, etc).

  The other element that MANY FORGET is that if we upgrade our gear, when do we upgrade the shooter? In short, do we devote the time to upgrade our skills?  ??? If we were just gears, then it's a simple process as just getting and paying for a better version of you!  ;D  Unfortunately, you can't buy a new model of you. The only way to upgrade is to learn as we shoot.

  I don't believe the statement, "shoot lang ng shoot, huhusay ka rin." My old Spanish Teacher, Botor, used to say, "Practice does not make perfect. It is good practice that makes perfect."  So, we just don't shoot. We should be mindful and reflective as we shoot. We should look at our pictures and study them. Ask ourselves what we can do different to make them better.

  We should also experiment, get out of our comfort zone. If you like telephoto or long lenses, we should also try to use wide angle lenses. It may be hard, but it will make us better. If we don't like macro, we should try macro. If we don't like events, we should shoot it every now and then. Though not our favorite type of photography, it helps us see things differently by which when we go back to our familiar and well like photography or tools, we take with us new way of looking at things w/c may even improve what we used to do!  :D

 I am digressing here now. As far as gear goes, we should plan our upgrades well. And we should remember to upgrade ourselves in the process. After all, you are stuck with yourself. And it pays to pay attention to upgrading yourself!
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Re: A Guide for upgrading cameras for the Intermediate user
« Reply #74 on: April 14, 2010, 05:39:28 PM »
nice post
Sadly, many people try to test their lenses, but get disappointed and think they have a defective product when all they've found is its limits, or more often, limitations in their own technique.

Know your lenses' limitations and work around them.

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Re: A Guide for upgrading cameras for the Intermediate user
« Reply #75 on: April 22, 2010, 06:42:48 PM »
id suggest a dlash as an upgrade..

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Re: A Guide for upgrading cameras for the Intermediate user
« Reply #76 on: April 23, 2010, 04:39:13 PM »
It took me almost an hour to read and understand this thread. Grabe sa dami ng information. Salamat sir.  :)
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Re: A Guide for upgrading cameras for the Intermediate user
« Reply #77 on: April 24, 2010, 09:06:31 PM »
amazing eye opener. this should be printed in a magazine or something.
but of course that won't happen because this could actually affect canon and nikon's sales. :D

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Re: A Guide for upgrading cameras for the Intermediate user
« Reply #78 on: April 27, 2010, 10:13:45 PM »
Wow, thanks for the info.
I was about to have another body upgrade without even adding much to my lens lineup.  :D

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Re: A Guide for upgrading cameras for the Intermediate user
« Reply #79 on: April 29, 2010, 04:07:02 PM »
a good camera for me is:

1. anything that will allow itself to be manually configured (not just exposure setting).
2. Have capability to shoot in ISO of at least 1250 usable.
3. Anything over above 6mp.

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