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Title: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on December 19, 2011, 02:01:24 PM
...will you buy it!?  :o :o :o

ako, pagiisipan ko pa. if it is sold around 120K baka pwede pa  ::) will sell the DX dynamite and the D700 first ::)

why i want to have it? FX video na abot kaya from Nikon  8) and just because i wanted it.

how much do you guys think that the D800 will sell for? the D700 was sold at around 116K when it was new. ewan ko lang ba kung umabot ng 125K yan.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on December 19, 2011, 02:17:19 PM
More than $3000
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on December 19, 2011, 04:39:02 PM
More than $3000

I think it will be the same ballpark as the D700 was released which is around $3k.

This makes me wonder if the IQ of the D700 is pretty good, how much improvement am I going to experience with the newer camera? I no longer shoot at higher ISO level since I always shoot with flash. I am very hesitant to give up my dearly beloved D700. 

I am more inclined to get a Sony for video and use my existing lenses. Either way, the new Nikon offerings are not YET that convincing for me to get one since the D700 does a pretty good job for family pictures and formal events. Everyone has their own cup of tea, but the D700 remains my camera of choice. :o 8)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on December 19, 2011, 04:51:27 PM
Either way, the new Nikon offerings are not YET that convincing for me to get one since the D700 does a pretty good job for family pictures and formal events. Everyone has their own cup of tea, but the D700 remains my camera of choice. :o 8)
It really brings a smile on my face Glenn...the smile you know has a double meaning!! That will lead to scenario, what if it turns out to be a convincing Nikon d700 replacement? You can always pass it on to your son or just collect it. A family picture with your d80/d700/d700 + the d800 will be a sight to behold... ;D ;D ;D .
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: MLG123 on December 19, 2011, 07:30:05 PM
Nakita ko itong post sa isang forum. Sangayon ako dito:


"Nikon drastically changed the Nikon product lineup when it produced the D700.  Having the same sensor as the top end of the line D3, it's disadvantage of having less than 100% viewfinder was offset by its having a built-in flash with that very useful wireless flash commander.  It also had a dust shaker which the D3 did not have.  Being lighter and smaller, some even preferred it to the bigger D3.  All these plus the D700 selling for much less than the D3 made it a must-buy for those who can afford it.

The mixture of well-balanced feature and price to value made the D700 a market-success and just as important among its owners or would-be owners, they want a more capable successor model to replace it.  The D700 was never about a high-megapixel camera but rather, a capable moderate resolution sensor with great colors and dynamic range with good low-light performance.

But given the specs of the D800, it is not a true D700-replacement.  For one, it will not have the same sensor as the expected D4.  Instead, it will have a high-resolution sensor that is higher than even the D3x.  This very high resolution can only come at the expense of better low-light performance and while the D800 will be good, it could be better still had it come with a lower-resolution sensor.

Nikon is playing a dangerous game by not giving its customer base something that its customer base has been made to expect and also want.  While there will be some who will welcome the D800 in its current high-resolution configuration, many more will want a true successor to the D700.  Because the customer knows that Nikon could easily do this but resolutely refuses to, there will be disenchantment among its customer base.  Given the easily portability of the Nikkor lenses to other camera brands and formats such as the NEX and the m4/3, I expect many Nikon shooters to also add these other options as there is very little penalty for straying outside the Nikon ecosystem.  

For me, the D700 remains and will likely continue to remain one of my main camera body for a long time.  I will  be keeping my D700.  I am also angry that Nikon will likely force me to get a Nikon D4 if I want good performance in low light.  I am angry because the D4 is bigger, heavier, more expensive despite having more more features because I do not need these features in the first place.   I have already gotten back at Nikon by getting a Sony NEX-5N for video instead of a Nikon D5100.  The Sony NEX-5N with its full manual control for video and peaking support for manual focus is not only better than the D5100, it also cost less.

Speaking specifically about the D800, this body will be much more demanding of its lenses than the D700 is.  Many D3x owners here have already recounted how costly getting the D3x has been in terms of getting better lenses that eventually cost more than the already expensive D3x.  The upgrade did not stop there and they also had to get better legs and heads to squeeze out the benefit of the D3x.  Those who currently speak of their lenses being still good for the D7000 do not take into consideration how their corners will look like when they use the same lenses all the way to the edge of its image circle on a high resolution full-frame sensor.  Unless needed for big prints, these people will get a rude awakening when they compare their images with those  that they can currently take with their D700.

This is not to say that the D800 will not be a good camera.  I am sure that it will be that.  But the high resolution will not translate to an improvement in its images unless one also upgrades the optics, support and shooting technique.  Moreover, it will not likely improve on the D700 low-light performance.  It is a poor trade-up as far as I am concerned."
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: theadvocate_ivan on December 19, 2011, 08:04:14 PM
how much do you guys think that the D800 will sell for? the D700 was sold at around 116K when it was new. ewan ko lang ba kung umabot ng 125K yan.

D700 was sold for 145k when it first came out here. 
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on December 19, 2011, 08:49:28 PM
nice read...

wow! umabot ba ng ganyan yan!?  :o :o :o i recall na 116K yun pinaka mahal na natanong ko non, bumaba pa pala price niya sa lagay nyang yan  ::)

the article said it right. for me, high ISO is now more important than megapixels. seriously, i am still happy with my D700 and D7000 combo. but i always wanted a D700 that can shoot amazing video and that is the D800...maybe at around june next year mag stabilize na price nyan. at dun na ako bibili  ::)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: dtmateojr on December 19, 2011, 09:00:56 PM
If the D800 is 36Mp it will be the cheapest panoramic camera. You could do some serious cropping and retain enough resolution to make acceptably large prints. For now I'll keep stitching. The 20"x60" prints I get from my 12Mp camera are absolutely gorgeous.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: tambutsoo on December 19, 2011, 09:58:57 PM
it will be my 1st FX camera, sweet  ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on December 19, 2011, 10:09:18 PM
I can't wait  :D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on December 19, 2011, 10:11:15 PM
maganda yan, FX DX combo. looking at the samples from nikonrumors, mukhang decent ang high ISO ng D800, pero i will wait for the real testing.

for me, i see the D800 as a D7000 na FX. it seems that the D800 will be smaller than the D700, so it may be sized between the D700 and D7000. if nikon can make an FX camera the size of a D7000 and use the same grip then that is an amazing engineering achievement! ang sarap dalhin ito kahit saan.  :o :o :o

following nikon's product philosophy and trend when upgrading camera bodies, i can see that the D800 will be significant. i am sure that the D800 and D4 will have features that have not been announced yet. perhaps an amazing AF while video is recording,etc.

buti hindi kayo naapektuhan masyado dyan ni sendong, OT.

to the D700 owners, will you guys sell your cameras and get the D800?

i am contemplating on selling the D7000 and the D700 in favor of the D800 if it turns out to be too compelling.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: MLG123 on December 19, 2011, 10:42:48 PM
Kung wala namang improvement ang D800 sa high-ISO, sa D700 pa rin ako.  Mas gusto ko rin na dalawang ang bodies kaysa sa isa kaya hindi ko ibebenta ang D700 at D7000.  Kung maliit lang din ang pagkakaiba ng D4 sa D3s, baka hindi makakabenta si Nikon sa akin next year.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on December 19, 2011, 10:48:07 PM
to the D700 owners, will you guys sell your cameras and get the D800?

i am contemplating on selling the D7000 and the D700 in favor of the D800 if it turns out to be too compelling.

I will be keeping my existing cameras.  I was planning on selling my D700 before, but that idea has been squashed after so many disappointing announcements and predictions from NR.  >:(  

The D700 is just the right camera for me. I've been using it for 3 years now and it still delivers great images. Granted that the lenses, lighting and my skill have improved a little bit but it is just a stellar camera for an amateur.  Even if I was a pro wedding photographer, the D700 will be sufficient for still images.  For longer reach or macro photography, the D7000 will be my choice.  

My interest in video has increased a little bit lately, so the compact Sony or Panasonic has caught some of my attention when it comes to this area.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on December 19, 2011, 10:52:28 PM
Kung wala namang improvement ang D800 sa high-ISO, sa D700 pa rin ako.  Mas gusto ko rin na dalawang ang bodies kaysa sa isa kaya hindi ko ibebenta ang D700 at D7000.  Kung maliit lang din ang pagkakaiba ng D4 sa D3s, baka hindi makakabenta si Nikon sa akin next year.

I used to shoot at higher ISO level before between 3200 to 6400 just because I can and to explore the capabilities of the camera. Now, I rarely shoot above ISO 1600 since I shoot with flash even on broad daylight.   :o 

The Nikon 200mm f2 VRII looks more appealing to me than the D3s or D4.  8)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: kikopaolo on December 20, 2011, 09:19:12 AM
for sure baka ma adopt ni d800 yung mga ibang technology na nilagay nila sa nikon 1 series..

sana if d800 comes out, ma release narin yung cheapo 85mm 1.8G.  :)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: hndrk on December 20, 2011, 10:03:21 AM
looking forward to the upgrade to full frame when it does come out. but it all depends if on its low-light capability. newer doesn't always mean better (the nex-5n vs nex-7 sensor is a good example).
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: mikkoy on December 20, 2011, 11:07:15 AM
Estimated price of $4000 - Thom Hogan
Estimate lang naman pero mahal pa din.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: a3cervo on December 20, 2011, 12:05:54 PM
i will wait for the D800 & 5DM3 to come out. compare their specs & output, from there i will base my decision if it's really time to jump ship.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: dtmateojr on December 20, 2011, 01:28:58 PM
I hope Nikon fixes their retarded interface/controls in the D800.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: ricardo on December 21, 2011, 05:39:46 PM
If they make the Nikon D800's ISO performance really good, wouldn't more people think twice about buying a flash unit?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on December 21, 2011, 06:00:39 PM
If they make the Nikon D800's ISO performance really good, wouldn't more people think twice about buying a flash unit?

Speed lights have other purposes other than lowering the ISO. 
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: dtmateojr on December 21, 2011, 08:10:28 PM
If they make the Nikon D800's ISO performance really good, wouldn't more people think twice about buying a flash unit?

ISO performance is useless in backlit conditions or when you need to shape light.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: drinkz143 on December 21, 2011, 09:33:18 PM
for me personally, hindi naman bababa yung market for flashes, kasi di lang naman sya ginagamit sa low light scenarios.

ang sakin lang is, sana mas maganda yung ISO sensitivity nya sa low light situations and yung live view nya sana is kasing ganda ng sa d7k. and higher dynamic range likewise ng sa d7k din. and lastly sana pwede na rin sya lagyan ng dual memory (sd and cf like ng sa d300s)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on December 21, 2011, 11:06:35 PM
for me personally, hindi naman bababa yung market for flashes, kasi di lang naman sya ginagamit sa low light scenarios.

ang sakin lang is, sana mas maganda yung ISO sensitivity nya sa low light situations and yung live view nya sana is kasing ganda ng sa d7k. and higher dynamic range likewise ng sa d7k din. and lastly sana pwede na rin sya lagyan ng dual memory (sd and cf like ng sa d300s)


NR might be correct about the card format. SD card slot with XQD (CF card replacement) which will be phased in with the next generation of cards and card readers which in theory will have 125mb/s to 600mb/s write speeds.

http://www.petapixel.com/2011/12/08/compactflash-cards-to-be-replaced-with-the-smaller-xqd-format/ (http://www.petapixel.com/2011/12/08/compactflash-cards-to-be-replaced-with-the-smaller-xqd-format/)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: obet on December 22, 2011, 02:31:55 AM
im  a hobbyist but no doubt i will buy it (trade my d700 for it) owowowowweee!!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on January 04, 2012, 10:02:29 PM
looks like the D800 will not be announced this month, instead, nikon will announce the D4($6K)  :o :o :o

sulit talaga si D700 ko  ::)

$4K is not cheap...i really hope that it will be a lot cheaper than that.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: MLG123 on January 05, 2012, 12:35:16 AM
Nikon D4 ISO range: 100 to 102,400, expandable to 50 to 204,800.

Oppps maganda ang D4 specs ah.  May ISO 100 na (ISO 200 lang ang D3s/D700), hanggang ISO 102,400 pa.  Kung 2-stops better ang D4 kaysa sa D700 sa ISO 1600 to 12,800, ganito ang resulta:  :o


D4 ISO     Equivalent D700 ISO

 1600             400
 3200             800
 6400            1600
12800           3200

Patay!  May mga madadale sa D4 dahil nito!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on January 05, 2012, 05:35:03 AM
Wala pang D800...? Baka mas magiging mura and mga D3s. Kung magiging $3,600. ang D3s, ok na yon.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on January 05, 2012, 07:51:05 AM
Maganda ang d4!! I am hoping so ::) . Pero ang mahal naman.Sino ba ang ayaw ng d3,d3s o d4? Kahit malaki yan kung mura lang papatusin ko yan. Kaya marami ang bumili ng d700 kasi yon ang gray line between "sensibility" and madness among hobbyist (pros have different views) in terms of how much to spend in this hobby. If you look at the Canon side, same thing with the Canon 5d series.Nikon should release an affordable d700 replacement because Canon will replace their 5d2. Nikon is playing a game here for sure. They leaked the d800 specs and after Canon announcement, they leaked the d4 in a very short period of time before official announcement. The arrival of product will be a month earlier than Canon.
However, whatever game Nikon and Canon are playing, everywhere I look ,we are the winners here. That will make the older models affordable.The 5d2's prices is plunging everywhere. It will be a good alternative for Nikon's MF fanatics. Just buy the body and the adapter..... now you have  FF manual Canikon.The d700 will hold its value for a little longer yet. I am pinning my hopes on a very good d800 and 5dmk3. I am not going to buy either of the offerings at the onset. I am looking at the possible flooding of 5ds and maybe at the later time the d700 at the used market........just hoping. Makatikim man lang ng murang FF.

OT but related to the specs...I have a question in my mind about the Hi-Iso. How much ISO do we really need? The quality of light is dropping the minute the sun is setting down. Your eyes can testify that the colors and DR are different. For some it might be useful but I was wondering, do we really need to have that very high iso range?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on January 05, 2012, 09:31:16 AM
OT but related to the specs...I have a question in my mind about the Hi-Iso. How much ISO do we really need? The quality of light is dropping the minute the sun is setting down. Your eyes can testify that the colors and DR are different. For some it might be useful but I was wondering, do we really need to have that very high iso range?

Doc- there is a married couple who shoots wedding photography in Canada.  The amount of money that they make is ridiculous since they have established their business very well. Just recently and in addition with their D3x and D700, the guy purchased a Canon 1Ds Mk III and 5D2 and some 1.2 lenses.

The cleaner images at higher ISO will yield to cleaner images for their customers.  

In sports photography, the D4 will even dominate this area especially with the poor lighting on some arenas. You can stop the action by using higher shutter speeds and higher ISO. Granted that you can always shoot with flash but the flash won’t be able to keep-up at 8 fps.

This is definitely catered to the pros in the field.  Enthusiasts like us have our own market.  I hope nobody will sell their D3s at a reasonable price.  I will be tempted and will sell my other camera bodies to off-set the price. My D7000 and D700 can go. I’ll keep the D3s and Fuji X10.
 ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on January 05, 2012, 09:46:59 AM
  I will be tempted and will sell my other camera bodies to off-set the price. My D7000 and D700 can go. I’ll keep the D3s and Fuji X10.
 ;D
;D ;D ;D

How about d7000 + d700 + overlapping lenses = d4 + x10?    ;D ;D ;D 

The hi iso has really offered a lot of opportunity to some photographers.A hobbyist like me can't take advantage of it.


Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on January 05, 2012, 09:50:50 AM
Doc- the other forums that I frequently visit are already selling their D3s.

They range from $4,700 to $5,000. even though they offer additional gadgets like dual battery chargers, memory cards, L brackets, etc, they are still way too high for me.  >:(

I'm sure the D3x owners might join the sale extravaganza too.   :o
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: mikeD70s on January 05, 2012, 10:02:46 AM
Calling KPY for the D4  ;D. But honestly am really wondering if ever they push thru with a 20-30+ mp sensor for the D800 would it mean that I should upgrade my sandy bridge i3 laptop? I've handled a 20+mp 5dmkII and post processing the pictures and videos is one helluva waiting game!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on January 05, 2012, 10:19:28 AM
Calling KPY for the D4  ;D. But honestly am really wondering if ever they push thru with a 20-30+ mp sensor for the D800 would it mean that I should upgrade my sandy bridge i3 laptop? I've handled a 20+mp 5dmkII and post processing the pictures and videos is one helluva waiting game!

i3 is really not that fast but it's ok for web browsing and Windows office applications. You are better off with a i5 or i7 with USB 3.0 for faster transfer rate, post processing and 2 tb of external HDD for storing.

Re: MP. I prefer a faster/accurate AF and cleaner images at higher ISO.  A 36 MP picture with lots of noise at ISO 6400 is not worth of an upgrade to me.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: bikoy888 on January 05, 2012, 02:24:30 PM
.... It will be a good alternative for Nikon's MF fanatics. Just buy the body and the adapter..... now you have  FF manual Canikon....

sorry doc, but can you brief me on this?  :P
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: MLG123 on January 05, 2012, 03:37:14 PM
Doc- the other forums that I frequently visit are already selling their D3s.

They range from $4,700 to $5,000. even though they offer additional gadgets like dual battery chargers, memory cards, L brackets, etc, they are still way too high for me.  >:(

I'm sure the D3x owners might join the sale extravaganza too.   :o


The prices of used D3s will drop even further.  The main advantage of the D3s over the D3 is just the sensor.  The D4 on the other hand will be one generation ahead not just in sensor but also in focus, CPU, data-bus, video-capable, etc.  At those price range, paying an extra $1500 more for a D4 will make more sense.

The biggest drop in price will however come from the D3x once the D800 announcement become certain.  I expect that the drop in price for the D700 will be minimal.  Unless the D800 will be better than the D700 in low light performance which I strongly doubt, there is no performance upgrade in the D800 other than in a higher resolution sensor and video.  Many D700 owners will hold on to their cameras.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: MLG123 on January 05, 2012, 04:00:45 PM
However, whatever game Nikon and Canon are playing, everywhere I look ,we are the winners here. That will make the older models affordable.The 5d2's prices is plunging everywhere. It will be a good alternative for Nikon's MF fanatics. Just buy the body and the adapter..... now you have  FF manual Canikon.The d700 will hold its value for a little longer yet. I am pinning my hopes on a very good d800 and 5dmk3. I am not going to buy either of the offerings at the onset. I am looking at the possible flooding of 5ds and maybe at the later time the d700 at the used market........just hoping. Makatikim man lang ng murang FF.

Well said but very hard choices you present there Doc for a Nikon lens owner who wants a full-frame body.  The answer will depend on what he shoots.  The answer will be even more difficult if he would like to expand further on what he shoots because it will bring him to the other side.  Tough!  :o ::)

A Canon 5DMk II for less than a Nikon D700, full-frame, higher-resolution at 21mp, lower S/N performance at high ISO than the D700, manual focus on Nikon lenses, but with video and excellent live-view.  Against this is a D700 costing a bit more, full-frame, lower-resolution at 12mp, good S/N performance at high ISO, auto-focus on all AF Nikon lenses, excellent AF performance, no video, average live-view.

For less than the price a D800 however, you can have both if you need to both.  For a little bit more weight, you can have the advantage and flexibility of having two bodies.  Depreciation over time will also be considerably less when you sell both to get the D900. An out-of-the-box idea worth pursuing.  ;D  I should add however that a Nikon D700 plus your D7000 (or a NEX-5N or a GH2) for video is also not an bad choice.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on January 05, 2012, 09:30:48 PM
Well said but very hard choices you present there Doc for a Nikon lens owner who wants a full-frame body.  The answer will depend on what he shoots.  The answer will be even more difficult if he would like to expand further on what he shoots because it will bring him to the other side.  Tough!  :o ::)

A Canon 5DMk II for less than a Nikon D700, full-frame, higher-resolution at 21mp, lower S/N performance at high ISO than the D700, manual focus on Nikon lenses, but with video and excellent live-view.  Against this is a D700 costing a bit more, full-frame, lower-resolution at 12mp, good S/N performance at high ISO, auto-focus on all AF Nikon lenses, excellent AF performance, no video, average live-view.

For less than the price a D800 however, you can have both if you need to both.  For a little bit more weight, you can have the advantage and flexibility of having two bodies.  Depreciation over time will also be considerably less when you sell both to get the D900. An out-of-the-box idea worth pursuing.  ;D  I should add however that a Nikon D700 plus your D7000 (or a NEX-5N or a GH2) for video is also not an bad choice.
Now that you brought it up, you are making it hard for me. I was contemplating that at the back of my mind and I know sooner or later someone will bring that tough choices into the open.One thing for sure the d4 is not my choice and maybe the d3s will become cheaper faster than the d700. Getting a cheaper 5d2 might be better but the temptation to get the canon primes esp the T@S 17mm will be hard to resist. It will be more expensive for me in the long run since I will Gas doubly ;D. I will cross the bridge when the d800 will be here. I am in a better position to acquire a d800 because I don't have a d700 yet.My dream set up is 24-70 on FX and 70-200Vr2 on DX. Parang heavy version ng P@S, walang palitan ng lenses. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: TakeTwo66 on January 06, 2012, 12:12:38 AM
Great thread. I've read through all your posts, as I've been wondering whether it's time to get a 2nd D700 body or wait for the "Big Announcement" - hopefully, in time for Photoworld Manila.

From all you informed inputs, I gravitate towards Glenn's options of waiting for a bargain D3s, or even better - a gently used, bargain basement D700.  If Nikon decides to change the control layout of the new camera, then it would mean I have to learn another routine that may slow down my shooting.  That, plus the modest investment in batteries, L-plates, Eyepiece upgrades and other accessories that fit only the D700. 

True, that it's aging technology, and it only comes up to 12Mp, and only has 1 card slot, and no video -- but it covers all my needs for the type of shooting I do: High ISO performance, tank-like build quality, spot-on exposure metering (even with TTL Flash) and approximately the same controls as the D200/300/D3 - all of which translates to less fumbling and easier shooting for me. 

Easier to crank up ISO to 6400 AND fill-flash via CLS just to make sure the image is useable (even at some ridiculous crop levels). Easier to dig out the CLS commander mode from the menu. Easier to zoom in during playback to check focus. Less mistakes, less excuses.

I wish they'd just come up with a D700s version, with perhaps 2 card slots, even better ISO performance,  -- and improve the AWB for indoor mixed light - something my Canon-toting colleagues always make sure I don't forget. ('Kulay Nikon' daw).  Video would be nice, but not a big thing for me.

So I guess for now, I'll keep my D700 -- and wait for the post at Gear Marketplace, he he. ;)


Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on January 07, 2012, 08:03:16 AM
macocover kaya ang price ng d800 kung benta ko ang d700 and 70-200vrii?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on January 07, 2012, 08:49:16 AM
maybe  :o :o :o

but selling lenses for bodies is a bad trade  ::)

i may sell my D700 and D7000 for the D800 if it is convincing enough. or maybe i may just let the D7000 go.

i am still waiting for the announcements and official specs.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on January 07, 2012, 09:33:24 AM
Pano kasi kuya twice pa lang nagagamit ang lente,,,,short and wide lang pala kailangan ko
Watchmode nalang muna tayo kung cute ba talaga ang D800
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on January 07, 2012, 09:43:20 AM
waaaaaaa ang buying nila sa D700 complete accessories mint condition $1345
     Tapos and 70-200 VRII $1270 ahehehehehe abunado pa ang lagay nit ahehehhe scratched and plan sa D800. Stick with my D700 nalang ahehehhee
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on January 08, 2012, 10:35:24 PM
The D800 should be more within my price range. D4 is too good for me. I don't think that my skills will ever improve by just buying the best camera alone.

I do need to have a FX and DX; if ever, I might upgrade with the D800. Too early to make a decision.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: likhamira on January 08, 2012, 11:15:49 PM
If its got full hd video and much improved than the dx vdslrs like the d90 or even the d7000, id get this one. I sold my d700 waiting for this one and stuck by the d90s for some time now. A D800 and a D7000 looks like a good combo.

I am drooling for the D4 though but lets see how the price fairs up when it comes out.

I think Nikon is playing it well in toying with the Nikon users mind. Launching the D4 before the D800 makes you want the D4 but if ever you cant afford it, by the time they launch the D800, you will " settle " for the D800 - be it pros or hardcore hobbyists.

Joe McNally commented on the "skintone" of the D4 being "smooth" or something to that effect. I want to see that in the D800. Canon has that "smoothness" in skintone I think. maybe this is Nikon's answer. ;D

Kainip maghintay ha.  ::) ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on January 09, 2012, 09:21:41 AM
**Edit** " I sold my d700 waiting for this one and stuck by the d90s for some time now. A D800 and a D7000 looks like a good combo."

Kainip maghintay ha.  ::) ;D

You are in a better position to make the pre-order once the online retailers starts advertising it.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on January 09, 2012, 01:06:21 PM
You are in a better position to make the pre-order once the online retailers starts advertising it.
Some of us here in the Philippines run to Hidalgo for our gear. Ordering on line thru Amazon entails expensive shipping cost. If you have relatives in the US then it is better to have it shipped there then hand carried it here.The premium sellers in this forum are also an alternative source.It is different from where you live Glenn.Madali ka ma tempt gamitin yong plastic money mo.Dito medyo makapigil pa kami.Unless sasadyain mong pumunta sa stores o kaya magtext.
Balik uli sa topic!!!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on January 09, 2012, 01:25:37 PM
Doc- what is the percentage that consumers in the Philippines pay for VAT?

I know what you mean. Which is why it was so easy for me to get any photo equipment from the U.S.  I also have access to the local Japanese market including amazon.co.jp if the item is exclusively sold in Japan only just like when the Fuji X100 was just released.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on January 09, 2012, 01:41:08 PM
babaratin lang tayo pag mag tretrade in ka ng D700 mo para pang dagdag sa D800 based on sa site ng BnH almost $1345,,, better yet benta lang and wait for a good price.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on January 09, 2012, 01:42:39 PM
Doc- what is the percentage that consumers in the Philippines pay for VAT?

I know what you mean. Which is why it was so easy for me to get any photo equipment from the U.S.  I also have access to the local Japanese market including amazon.co.jp if the item is exclusively sold in Japan only just like when the Fuji X100 was just released.
The consumers are always being charged of VAT. Unless you are dealing with unregistered traders, then receipts are not issued and you don't pay VAT.I am not aware of how big is that scenario but it could be a significant number..that is a problem still in the Philippines.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on January 16, 2012, 10:45:23 AM
(http://nikonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Nikon-D800-price.jpg)

mukhang affordable naman yun D800  :o :o :o
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on January 16, 2012, 11:20:56 AM
(http://nikonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Nikon-D800-price.jpg)


mukhang affordable naman yun D800  :o :o :o


Wow! Advance order yata :)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on January 16, 2012, 11:27:35 AM
Tutoo kaya yang price na yan? Napaisip tuloy ako...ipon ipon lang maafford na yan.Basta hwag lang bumili agad pagrelease. I was planning to buy a used d700 kaso lang parang kaunting tiis lang makakabili ka na ng d800. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: iampoch on January 16, 2012, 11:50:29 PM
PHP 127,548.37

Sana makabili ako this year, but I want to know how its high ISO performance is, it's my prime requirement.

Sent from my HTC Desire S using Tapatalk
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on January 17, 2012, 12:58:01 AM
PHP 127,548.37

Sana makabili ako this year, but I want to know how its high ISO performance is, it's my prime requirement.

Sent from my HTC Desire S using Tapatalk

Napagusapan na yata ito, malamang hindi ISO performance ang target ng d800 para hindi mamatay market ng d700. Kung similar sa D7k ang iso performance panalo parin.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on January 17, 2012, 05:35:38 AM
Tutoo kaya yang price na yan? Napaisip tuloy ako...ipon ipon lang maafford na yan.Basta hwag lang bumili agad pagrelease. I was planning to buy a used d700 kaso lang parang kaunting tiis lang makakabili ka na ng d800. ;D ;D ;D

Doc - the D800 has some features that other photographers want other than cleaner images at higher ISO level.

This camera targets wedding photographers who wants more MP for their work, studio photographers, and landscape shooters. If the video is similar to the D4, then I can say the Nikon has significantly improved its video and has matched or surpassed Canon's lead on video using DSLR.

I would save up and get the D800 instead if I were you. I'm not sure if I want one (yet). I might upgrade my D700 since I like the FOV of the full frame. @ $2,600 MSRP, that is not bad considering I bought my D700 at $2,400. 3 years ago.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on January 17, 2012, 06:41:59 AM
PHP 127,548.37

Sana makabili ako this year, but I want to know how its high ISO performance is, it's my prime requirement.

Sent from my HTC Desire S using Tapatalk

Same rin tayo ng habol, if its close to the ISO performance ng D700 I might keep this nalang.
$2.6K pa rin ang D700 sa BnH and Adorama, I doubt kung tunay yung pre-order sa Nikon Rumours. Maybe around $3.5K to $4K ang price ng D800 pag lumabas na ito.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: birdnipil on January 18, 2012, 10:45:56 AM
will wait for for d900 to come out before I'll buy the d800  ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on January 18, 2012, 12:05:11 PM
(http://nikonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Nikon-D800.jpg)

ayan na sya  :o :o :o

mukhang mas maliit nga kaysa sa D700 ng kaunti  ::)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on January 18, 2012, 04:38:44 PM
It looks like it with a Nikon 24-120mm f4 VRII lens. The new redish trim is consistent with the D4. At $3,700. I will pass if the price is this much.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on January 18, 2012, 04:50:10 PM
@gq
     pipikitan ko na kung yan ang price, kung aabot ng $4K,,,,, aantayin ko nalang ang D900 para bumaba na ang presyo ng D800
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on January 18, 2012, 09:44:44 PM
@gq
     pipikitan ko na kung yan ang price, kung aabot ng $4K,,,,, aantayin ko nalang ang D900 para bumaba na ang presyo ng D800

Since these are just pure speculations, @ $3,700 with a Nikon 24-120mm f4 VRII as the kit lens will be more realistic and ideal.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on January 29, 2012, 01:47:19 AM
Magkano kaya ang presyo ng D800 at D400 sa Hidalgo at Mayers?
Meron bang puwedeng mag share diyang kung magkano na ang price ng D3s sa Hidalgo at kay Mang Ramon? Mas mura pa raw ata ang presyohan diyan sa kanila kesa BnH at Adorama.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on January 29, 2012, 12:39:33 PM
Magkano kaya ang presyo ng D800 at D400 sa Hidalgo at Mayers?
Meron bang puwedeng mag share diyang kung magkano na ang price ng D3s sa Hidalgo at kay Mang Ramon? Mas mura pa raw ata ang presyohan diyan sa kanila kesa BnH at Adorama.
Depende kung marunong ka maglowball kay mang ramon pero last time around 200K plus....alam naman nya di ako bibili kaya siguro natawa sya!!!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: iampoch on February 05, 2012, 10:52:00 AM
Some updates on the D800:

http://nikonrumors.com/2012/02/04/few-last-minute-nikon-d800-updates.aspx (http://nikonrumors.com/2012/02/04/few-last-minute-nikon-d800-updates.aspx)

In Fance, at least, it's said the price of the D800 with AA is below EUR 3000. In PHP, that's a little below 170k :( The one without AA is much more costly.

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junji on February 05, 2012, 02:37:58 PM
Dalawang tulog na lang for the Nikon product announcement in Hong Kong. Ia-anounce na kaya? Abangan ang susunod na kabanata. he he.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: jesusluison on February 05, 2012, 04:26:01 PM
If the Nikon D800 comes out...
I can confidently and honestly say that I'm very happy and glad with my decision to have bought the FUJI X10...  :D  Para ma iba naman...  :D

But if i win the lotto, Aba... Syempre D4 na agad...   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: iampoch on February 05, 2012, 11:49:58 PM
I'll wait for this to come waaaaay down. I won't use the features for events, but it's perfect for studio and fashion,  especially the non AA version, which I'm gunning for. This camera is meant to shoot in RAW more than anything else.

Sent from my HTC Desire S using Tapatalk
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on February 06, 2012, 12:17:57 AM
D800E = my landscape/studio camera

D700 = my general purpose camera

the D7000 shall go  :o :o :o
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: iampoch on February 06, 2012, 11:38:48 AM
D800E = my landscape/studio camera

D700 = my general purpose camera

the D7000 shall go  :o :o :o

Exactly! well, except for the last part. I'll opt for the D7000 than the D700 not only for the general purpose cam, but for events as well. The crop factor is actually quite advantageous. On an event, the D800E will use the 24-70 so that I can have something wide, and the D7000 will get the 70-200 (which becomes a 105-300) for me to snipe with :)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on February 06, 2012, 11:50:47 AM
having a DX body is also good, specially for tele  :o :o :o

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: kikopaolo on February 07, 2012, 10:15:54 AM
out na mga idol

http://nikonrumors.com/2012/02/06/nikon-d800-press-release.aspx/#more-32762 (http://nikonrumors.com/2012/02/06/nikon-d800-press-release.aspx/#more-32762)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: flxrms on February 07, 2012, 10:38:08 AM
Tutoo kaya yang price na yan? Napaisip tuloy ako...ipon ipon lang maafford na yan.Basta hwag lang bumili agad pagrelease. I was planning to buy a used d700 kaso lang parang kaunting tiis lang makakabili ka na ng d800. ;D ;D ;D

doc 3 years ka ng naghihintay ng kapalit ng d700 hahahaha eto na sya haha :P
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 07, 2012, 10:49:46 AM
doc 3 years ka ng naghihintay ng kapalit ng d700 hahahaha eto na sya haha :P
;) ;D ::) ...tuloy parang gusto ko magcompact na lang.After 3 years, marami nang nangyari. Marami na ring choices. Pero kung bibili man ako ng d800 di na pa GAS mode. Maghihintay ako ng matagal.Natuto na ring akong bumarat dahil natuto akong bumili nang manual focus na lenses. ;) ::)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on February 07, 2012, 10:54:26 AM
ayan na sya!  :o :o :o

ang D7000 na full frame!!!

hintay hintay pa na maging stable ang price  ::)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 07, 2012, 11:04:21 AM
Di pa stable ang price... wala pang pre-order sa Adorama at BnH.
Bakit kaya wala pang mga pa-unang reviews yung mga pina test ng D800?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 07, 2012, 12:29:59 PM
Nikon D800 price: $2999.95
Nikon D800E price: $3,299.95

Oh my gosh!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: kpy555 on February 07, 2012, 12:34:29 PM
This will be my new toy. D700, maybe it's time I let you go! ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 07, 2012, 12:54:44 PM
 The Jack is out of the Box,,,, which among the D800 or D800E are you getting and why?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: brotha214 on February 07, 2012, 01:07:18 PM
 :o :o :o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=6rEIam8uQ50# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=6rEIam8uQ50#)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: brotha214 on February 07, 2012, 01:10:59 PM
Diet muna ako..  di muna ako kakain para maka ipon!  :D :D :D

Lupet nito sigurado
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: bender on February 07, 2012, 01:17:27 PM
depends on the price
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 07, 2012, 01:24:21 PM
This will be my new toy. D700, maybe it's time I let you go! ;D
Which one Jordan,d800 or d800E? Nakakainis naman maychoices pa!! ;D ;) ::)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 07, 2012, 01:26:08 PM
Nikon D800 = $3,000.00 USD
Nikon D800E = $3,300.00 USD just like what Nikon Rumor predicted.

I was able to save my pennies so I am shooting for the D800E!  :o :o
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 07, 2012, 01:26:49 PM
B&H is now taking pre-orders for the Nikon D800E

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: JBi on February 07, 2012, 01:28:53 PM
Here's some more:

http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/06/nikon-d800-hands-on/ (http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/06/nikon-d800-hands-on/)

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 07, 2012, 01:30:04 PM
B&H is now taking pre-orders for the Nikon D800E.

@gq
     Should you be concerned regarding moire , excuse me  kung mali spelling, with D800E.


Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: PRPB on February 07, 2012, 01:33:41 PM
Preview form dpreview.

http://www.dpreview.com/previews/nikonD800/ (http://www.dpreview.com/previews/nikonD800/)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: JBi on February 07, 2012, 01:41:29 PM
Some photos of the D800 here:

http://www.engadget.com/photos/nikon-d800/ (http://www.engadget.com/photos/nikon-d800/)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 07, 2012, 01:44:36 PM
I really don't care about that technical stuff at this point. The E version should, or according to the smart guys, should have sharper and cleaner images without the filter (D800E).

I need 36mp for facebook!  :o ;D

It's in my shopping cart already. I have not pulled the trigger yet.  ;)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: isee12dots on February 07, 2012, 01:50:09 PM
I need 36mp for facebook!  :o ;D

wont that just gonna be compressed? =))
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: logicheart on February 07, 2012, 01:56:22 PM
I need 36mp for facebook!  :o ;D

 :o aray...ha..ha..ha..  ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 07, 2012, 01:57:30 PM
Just getting rid of my D700 and 70-200VRII then I'll have it in my cart ahehehehhe
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on February 07, 2012, 02:05:34 PM
i need to see first.

ang moire kasi madali lang ayusin yan eh kung sakaling nagkaroon bigla sa image or video, pero kung every photo mo magkaka ganun nakakainis. correctable naman siya. dati na namin ginagawa sa work.  :o :o :o

ang moire naman sa experience namin nagkakaroon lang naman sa mga fine na patterns. like screen, corrugated roof from afar, textile/weave. sa dahon malamang hindi naman dapat kasi random naman yan eh...we'll see na lang  ::)

kung di naman magiging hassle, ill get the D800E

i am thinking that the D800 will be more for video guys.

ill just wait for a few more months before i get the D800...kung matuloy ako sa france, doon ko na kukunin yun D800 ko  8) perfect for the eiffel tower
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on February 07, 2012, 02:06:29 PM
This will be my new toy. D700, maybe it's time I let you go! ;D

sinungaling ka. akala ko ba may sentimental value yan kaya ayaw mo benta sa akin ng 65K  ::)

kukunin ko ito! ang tagal tagal kong hinihintay  :o :o :o
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: iampoch on February 07, 2012, 02:08:58 PM
wont that just gonna be compressed? =))

You failed to see the sarcasm :)

On the topic, no, no AA doesn't mean cleaner image afaik. in fact, it would tend to be noisier since the're less processing involved. But that is where the biggest advantage is. You get more information from its RAW files. AA tends to remove some unrecoverable info. The D800E is meant to shoot exclusively in RAW. No AA processing means your JPEG images would be underwhelming. This will be detrimental to events photography, but a boon for studio and other such photography where post processing is essential (fashion, etc). The high megapixel count shows that the D800 is aimed primarily at photographers who use/depend on medium format cameras for their work. Think of it as a cheaper MF alternative.

The E version suits my needs to a tee, since I'm more into fashion and portraits now. The DX format is highly capable (and quite advantageous) for events, so the D7000 can handle that.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: yourdone on February 07, 2012, 02:23:59 PM
The D800E coupled with the 14-24 intrigues me, likewise the older primes as well like the AI-S 85mm F1.4 or the AI 20mm F4
Moire shouldn't be an issue, software corrections on optical deficiencies have been amazing as of late (LR4 one touch CA even LoCAs, NX2 astro noise reduction). We've had vignetting, lens distortion and CA's automatically corrected by software, moire is just another step in the evolution of the digital darkroom.

When phrases like "Leica S2 killer" are bandied about by notable photogs, you can't help but pay close attention
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: rowen.chumacera on February 07, 2012, 02:29:22 PM
wow! this is one heck of a monster cam! nice features..
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: tripnienchong on February 07, 2012, 02:32:56 PM
Uy bibili na si Poch :P
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 07, 2012, 02:34:44 PM
wont that just gonna be compressed? =))

Nikon USA: "The New Nikon D800 Offers Unrivaled Resolution and Features Designed for a Variety of Demanding Professional Photographic and Multimedia Disciplines, Videographers and Filmmakers."

With such a higher price tag and robust specs on video and pixels, this is definitely more suited for wedding photographers and photo studio. Added grip will boost it to 5  or 6 fps?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: iampoch on February 07, 2012, 02:38:36 PM
Uy bibili na si Poch :P

I need to clone a couple of kidneys :)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: jesusluison on February 07, 2012, 02:56:04 PM
 ;D ;D ;D

Wow Its finally here!!!

http://youtu.be/6rEIam8uQ50 (http://youtu.be/6rEIam8uQ50)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: jesusluison on February 07, 2012, 02:57:49 PM
Jampacked / Fully Loaded Thread!!!  ;D

Quote
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Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: tripnienchong on February 07, 2012, 03:00:33 PM
I need to clone a couple of kidneys :)

Hanggang ngayon nag lalaway pa rin ako kakabasa nung site.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: flxrms on February 07, 2012, 03:01:01 PM
So :P biglang nagkaron ng to AA or no AA ngayon ...
ganito ang sample ng AA vs no AA from http://www.maxmax.com/hot_rod_visible.htm (http://www.maxmax.com/hot_rod_visible.htm)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: tripnienchong on February 07, 2012, 03:03:21 PM
So :P biglang nagkaron ng to AA or no AA ngayon ...
ganito ang sample ng AA vs no AA from [url]http://www.maxmax.com/hot_rod_visible.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.maxmax.com/hot_rod_visible.htm[/url])



Oo nga no, bakit nga ba may AA in the first place, kung pwede naman wala at mas ok yung IQ? Para ba tong protective filter or anything?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: micoraven on February 07, 2012, 03:04:18 PM
Been reading about pero parang lagi kong namimiss out. Ano ba talaga main difference ng E sa non-E aside from the price. ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: tripnienchong on February 07, 2012, 03:05:58 PM
Been reading about pero parang lagi kong namimiss out. Ano ba talaga main difference ng E sa non-E aside from the price. ??? ??? ???

Yung AA something ata :P
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: jesusluison on February 07, 2012, 03:06:21 PM
I'm DROOOLING  for the D800... :)

"IBA TALAGA ANG FUJI.... PERO MAS MAGALING ANG NIKON FX D800!!!"  ;D ;D ;D
(http://2.s.img-dpreview.com/files/news/2785883845/D800_MBD12_front34l.jpg?v=1323)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: moonshadow on February 07, 2012, 03:09:29 PM
Nikon D800 = $3,000.00 USD
Nikon D800E = $3,300.00 USD just like what Nikon Rumor predicted.

I was able to save my pennies so I am shooting for the D800E!  :o :o

Very reasonably priced.  I hope canon follow suit or lower to compete with nikon.
Better for us consumers.
 :)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 07, 2012, 03:16:22 PM
BnH sells D800E SLR Digital Camera (Body Only) at $3,299.95
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 07, 2012, 03:16:46 PM
D800E na lang kasi may free na updated NX2 featured with moire removal or reduction of it. Hmmmm baka nga problematic yong moire effect.
Jing mag Xpro1 ka na lang wala daw moire effect yon. Benta mo na yong X10 mo.
I can sense na this thread will go on the BI mode again.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: jesusluison on February 07, 2012, 03:17:46 PM
 :D :D :D

US$3k x Php42.50 = About Php 127,500  :D :D :D

Pwede !!! Good price for the new FX D800 :)

I wonder kailan kaya yung upgrade para sa D300s or sa D7000? :)

Good things are coming for us photographers :)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 07, 2012, 03:20:07 PM
I really don't care about that technical stuff at this point. The E version should, or according to the smart guys, should have sharper and cleaner images without the filter (D800E).

I need 36mp for facebook!  :o ;D

It's in my shopping cart already. I have not pulled the trigger yet.  ;)
Glenn push the left mouse button...you can cancel it naman after coming from the CP+. At least you won't worry about being left out in case you are going to like it... ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: jesusluison on February 07, 2012, 03:22:12 PM
Jing mag Xpro1 ka na lang wala daw moire effect yon. Benta mo na yong X10 mo.  I can sense na this thread will go on the BI mode again.


:) Pwede rin pag lumabas yung X-1 Pro... Kaso I'm having so much fun with the IQ and zoom function of the X10... Panalo talaga.  Light and Sharp --- RETRo camera ang X10 :)

"IBA TALAGA ANG FUJI!!!"  ;) ;) ;)

Lets see how much the SRP of the X1 pro and the D800 once it hits local stores :)  

"... we'll cross da bridge when we get der... "  ;D

(http://images.paraorkut.com/img/funnypics/images/b/borat-12325.bmp)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 07, 2012, 03:22:49 PM
Very reasonably priced.  I hope canon follow suit or lower to compete with nikon.
Better for us consumers.
 :)
The canon 5dMK3 will also be equal or better...kaya hintayin ko rin yon bago magdecide what FF to get.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: jesusluison on February 07, 2012, 03:23:55 PM
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 :D :D :D FULL HOUSE !!!  :D :D :D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 07, 2012, 03:25:36 PM
:) Pwede rin pag lumabas yung X-1 Pro... Kaso I'm having so much fun with the IQ and zoom function of the X10... Panalo talaga.  Light and Sharp --- RETRo camera ang X10 :)

"IBA TALAGA ANG FUJI!!!"  ;) ;) ;)

Lets see how much the SRP of the X1 pro and the D800 once it hits local stores :)  

"... we'll cross da bridge when we get der... "  ;D

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ehmmm let us cross the bridge when it is here... ;D ;D ;D. Peace!!!Jing
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: tripnienchong on February 07, 2012, 03:29:56 PM
:D :D :D FULL HOUSE !!!  :D :D :D

Walang pumapansin sa bagong canon lenses, andito lahat :P
Peace!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: jesusluison on February 07, 2012, 03:33:55 PM
Walang pumapansin sa bagong canon lenses, andito lahat :P
Peace!


New lens from Canon?  Eto ba yung add nila --- "DELATA YOU ALWAYS?"  ;D ;D ;D  PEACE JOWK lang poh...  ;D ;D ;D
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Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 07, 2012, 03:34:17 PM
Expand dynamic range: HDR (High Dynamic Range)

The D800/D800E can shoot two frames in a single shutter release, but at different exposures: one overexposed and one underexposed. The camera then instantly combines them to create an image covering a wider dynamic range. The range can be widened by up to 3 EV for different looks, all full of saturation and tonal gradation, while the smoothness of the edge where the two exposures meet can be adjusted for a more natural appearance.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: jesusluison on February 07, 2012, 03:35:39 PM
 :o :o :o  Whoa.. Lalong Dumami Viewers  :o :o :o

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Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Dinno19 on February 07, 2012, 03:36:04 PM
:D :D :D FULL HOUSE !!!  :D :D :D

ganun talaga, hanggang silip na lang ako eh. hahaha!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: iampoch on February 07, 2012, 03:36:42 PM
:D :D :D

US$3k x Php42.50 = About Php 127,500  :D :D :D

Pwede !!! Good price for the new FX D800 :)

I wonder kailan kaya yung upgrade para sa D300s or sa D7000? :)

Good things are coming for us photographers :)

Usually ba how much ang patong pag dating dito sa pinas?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: jesusluison on February 07, 2012, 03:37:02 PM
Expand dynamic range: HDR (High Dynamic Range)

The D800/D800E can shoot two frames in a single shutter release, but at different exposures: one overexposed and one underexposed. The camera then instantly combines them to create an image covering a wider dynamic range. The range can be widened by up to 3 EV for different looks, all full of saturation and tonal gradation, while the smoothness of the edge where the two exposures meet can be adjusted for a more natural appearance.

Whoa... this is one cool feature !!! :o
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: isee12dots on February 07, 2012, 03:39:34 PM
sana lang bumaba ang price ng ibang Nikon DSLRs hahaha


GO D800, make your siblings cheap!~
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: jesusluison on February 07, 2012, 03:40:26 PM
Usually ba how much ang patong pag dating dito sa pinas?

Knowing our local retailers here would anticipate demand for the D800... expect around 15%~20% markup (maybe even upto to 30%) when this is released...

Im guessing an intro price of about Php150k ~ Php175k  :( :( :(
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 07, 2012, 03:41:22 PM
Usually ba how much ang patong pag dating dito sa pinas?
Kung CDSC...hmmmm malaki. Sa suki natin sa hidalgo o kaya sa mga sellers dito halos pareho lang pero depende din.Kung sabay sabay kayong bumili at may demand.Tataas din. Better wait hanggang mga 6 months to 1 year. Sa mga makapaghintay Ok lang.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: tripnienchong on February 07, 2012, 03:42:34 PM
Expand dynamic range: HDR (High Dynamic Range)

The D800/D800E can shoot two frames in a single shutter release, but at different exposures: one overexposed and one underexposed. The camera then instantly combines them to create an image covering a wider dynamic range. The range can be widened by up to 3 EV for different looks, all full of saturation and tonal gradation, while the smoothness of the edge where the two exposures meet can be adjusted for a more natural appearance.

Bakit 2 frames lang noh? Sana dinamihan na nila.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: geebee on February 07, 2012, 03:43:40 PM
bhphoto nyo nalang tapos johnnyair, tipong 10-12 units group buy mas makakatipid pa kayo.. wala nga lang CDSC.. :)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 07, 2012, 03:44:22 PM
Bakit 2 frames lang noh? Sana dinamihan na nila.
Ilang frames yong sa Pentax?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: jesusluison on February 07, 2012, 03:45:48 PM
Kung CDSC...hmmmm malaki. Sa suki natin sa hidalgo o kaya sa mga sellers dito halos pareho lang pero depende din.Kung sabay sabay kayong bumili at may demand.Tataas din. Better wait hanggang mga 6 months to 1 year. Sa mga makapaghintay Ok lang.

I agree... Once the D800 is released in march & D800e in April... By december 2012 siguro MAHALA PA DIN  ;D

But if we are all here by 2013 (presuming the End of the World / Mayan Calendar Catastrophe is inaccurate & false), January ~ Feb 2013 would be a good time to buy :) hehehe NEXT YEAR NA LANG!!! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: tripnienchong on February 07, 2012, 03:47:40 PM
3 ata sa pentax.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 07, 2012, 03:51:11 PM
3 ata sa pentax.
Yes, I just checked 3 nga.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: iampoch on February 07, 2012, 03:57:36 PM
oo nga, abang mode na lang muna hehehehe
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: jesusluison on February 07, 2012, 03:59:07 PM
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Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 07, 2012, 04:01:58 PM
kaya andito kasi di pa rin maka pag desisyon kung D800 o D800E ba
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 07, 2012, 04:11:36 PM
Glenn push the left mouse button...you can cancel it naman after coming from the CP+. At least you won't worry about being left out in case you are going to like it... ;D ;D ;D

I will try the D800 and D4 this coming Thursday. Konte nalang ang difference D4 na if you buy the $600 grip.

Sabi ni Misis I must buy it now daw... Masyado akong mina madali.  :o ::) Ok pang Father's day gift ito! Don't worry Doc, it's just a matter of when and which seller. B and H is charging $75 for shipping. I'll wait for Adorama to see if they are going to ship for free.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: jesusluison on February 07, 2012, 04:12:57 PM
kaya andito kasi di pa rin maka pag desisyon kung D800 o D800E ba

Hahahaha Tama...

Which ever model... the new Nikon FX D800 is indeed "THE BIG PICTURE"  ....  :o :o :o

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: jesusluison on February 07, 2012, 04:14:44 PM
I will try the D800 and D4 this coming Thursday. Konte nalang ang difference D4 na if you buy the $600 grip.

Sabi ni Misis I must buy it now daw... Masyado akong mina madali.  :o ::) Ok pang Father's day gift ito! Don't worry Doc, it's just a matter of when and which seller. B and H is charging $75 for shipping. I'll wait for Adorama to see if they are going to ship for free.

 :D :D :D  Woooohoooo... GET IT NA GLENN!!! NOW NA!!!!

Be the first PIPHO to have it  :D :D :D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 07, 2012, 04:21:23 PM
:D :D :D  Woooohoooo... GET IT NA GLENN!!! NOW NA!!!!

Be the first PIPHO to have it  :D :D :D

Jing - I think the virtual axis on the OVF and LCD is similar to the Fuji X100 and X1pro.

Compatible with third party video accessories
As your multimedia work grows in importance, know that the D800 is compatible with a growing selection of third party video accessories.

High speed CF and SD dual memory card slots
CF cards compatible with UDMA6 as well as UDMA7 are supported. For SD cards, SDXC and UHS-1 are supported.

Two axis Virtual Horizon graphic indicator
Use either the LCD monitor or viewfinder to check if the camera is level—horizontally or with forward or rear rotation.

Rechargeable EN-EL15 Battery
Up to approximately 900 images and 60 minutes of HD video per charge.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on February 07, 2012, 04:23:09 PM
wedding photographer's dream camera yan  :o :o :o

ang ganda ng video niya based doon sa pinakita na sample movie nya. halos wala na akong makitang rolling shutter effect  ::)

hintayin natin ang 5Dm3, tignan natin kung papahiyain ng canon si nikon just like the 7D vs the D300s ::)

X10 vs D800? banggaan na lang, matira matibay sa head on collision  ::)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on February 07, 2012, 04:27:18 PM
Mkhang maraming lilipat sa Nikon because of this camera :)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 07, 2012, 04:29:20 PM
I haven't read any post if the ISO performance is at least one stop better or equal to the D700.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 07, 2012, 04:31:28 PM
wedding photographer's dream camera yan  :o :o :o

Correct ka diyan Rico!  Pero this might bring the cost to hire the high end wedding photographers.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: flxrms on February 07, 2012, 04:45:34 PM
D800 sample shots from the wedding photog Cliff Mautner
http://www.cmphotography.com/blog.cfm (http://www.cmphotography.com/blog.cfm)

from the blog "low rez, but it's a 100% crop"
(http://www.cmphotography.com/images/content/Cliff_Mautner_D800_10.JPG)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: micoraven on February 07, 2012, 04:55:00 PM
X10 vs D800? banggaan na lang, matira matibay sa head on collision  ::)

This is always good for the consumers sana mag price wars din para pababaan sila. Pansin ko kasi lately tumataas presyo ng mga camera D7000 naging 56k uli yung body :(

Pero isa ko pang napansin, as of late parang hindi sila nagbabanggan parang kanya kanya ba tapos as much as possible ayaw na nila ng friction. Nung naglabas yung Nikon ng mirrorless, hindi siya sinabayan ni Canon instead nag labas ng pro line at video line si Canon. Tapos naglabas si Nikon ng D4 medyo unti lang yung features which really didn't have any highlights that signify it is a vs Canon effort.

Pero sa bagay kung lumabas 5dmk3 ayun direct competitor si D800/e line talaga.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: kpy555 on February 07, 2012, 05:07:19 PM
sinungaling ka. akala ko ba may sentimental value yan kaya ayaw mo benta sa akin ng 65K  ::)

kukunin ko ito! ang tagal tagal kong hinihintay  :o :o :o

@pitbull: kaya nga MAYBE haha! Di pa sure kung bibitawan ko dahil mahal na mahal ko itong D700 ko.

@retina: Doc, D800 lang ayus na. Hindi naman ako into landscape or into medium format printing/editing.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: ScubaStop on February 07, 2012, 05:09:38 PM

The frame rate (4 fps) is a turn off. It will be harder to use the camera for basketball or volleyball and other fast sports.

The camera  should be a dream tool for studio or scenics.




This is always good for the consumers sana mag price wars din para pababaan sila. Pansin ko kasi lately tumataas presyo ng mga camera D7000 naging 56k uli yung body :(

Pero isa ko pang napansin, as of late parang hindi sila nagbabanggan parang kanya kanya ba tapos as much as possible ayaw na nila ng friction. Nung naglabas yung Nikon ng mirrorless, hindi siya sinabayan ni Canon instead nag labas ng pro line at video line si Canon. Tapos naglabas si Nikon ng D4 medyo unti lang yung features which really didn't have any highlights that signify it is a vs Canon effort.

Pero sa bagay kung lumabas 5dmk3 ayun direct competitor si D800/e line talaga.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on February 07, 2012, 05:25:46 PM
utut mo  ::)

benta ko na kaya D7000 ko habang maganda pa price  :o :o :o
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: kpy555 on February 07, 2012, 05:29:40 PM
Benta mo na.

Target acquisition date ko June 2012.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on February 07, 2012, 05:31:31 PM
I might sell my 2 d7k for this body. Maganda yung DX mode nya, parang D7k na.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on February 07, 2012, 05:31:44 PM
ako mga July pa  :o :o :o
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: brotha214 on February 07, 2012, 05:53:03 PM
The canon 5dMK3 will also be equal or better...kaya hintayin ko rin yon bago magdecide what FF to get.

+1 antay antay muna!  :D :D :D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: maikudesu on February 07, 2012, 05:54:25 PM
the last time i followed a thread regarding nikon's latest release in this forum (D7000), i got BI'd..  :D  :D but i didn't regret it.. siguro may pambili lang talaga ako that time.. ewan ko lang ngayon.. magsisimula pa lang ako magipon.. haha..

parang ang hirap pa mag decide kung kailangan ko din talaga to. i have plans on getting an FX cam for my upcoming sideline.. clients are already satisfied with the output of my D7000 pero gusto ko ng back up since hinde actuation friendly pag public school ang clients..  :D  :D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 07, 2012, 05:59:25 PM
I haven't read any post if the ISO performance is at least one stop better or equal to the D700.

isa ba to sa mga deal breaker mo kung saka sakaling mas maganda ang low light performance ng D700?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on February 07, 2012, 06:03:16 PM
Baka same lang ng D7k ang ISO performance nito.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 07, 2012, 06:04:09 PM
isa ba to sa mga deal breaker mo kung saka sakaling mas maganda ang low light performance ng D700?

Nope! But it would be nice. If it is not better then it will equal the D7000's ISO performance.  I use flash majority of the time so that is not a deal breaker.  It helps if I shoot inside a gym without flash.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: maikudesu on February 07, 2012, 06:06:20 PM
maganda siguro to pang photobooth  :D  :D  :D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Alfalfameister on February 07, 2012, 06:13:46 PM
maganda siguro to pang photobooth  :D  :D  :D

and, like someone said, para ma-upgrade ang profile pic natin sa facebook!

... actually, the D4 replaces the D3s, but this D800 does not really replace the D700... it's more like a mini D3X. Which means, owners of D3s's are fine, and so are owners of the D700... upgradeitis might not bite them as much (though with the relatively "cheap" price (relative to its specs and capabilities), of course there is always the temptation to upgrade).

Medyo masakit ang D800/E sa current D3X owners... anyway, at $8,000, kaunti lang naman sila.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: micoraven on February 07, 2012, 06:33:01 PM
Sabi sa fb ni wingeofus/one stop shop gadgets/ms. grace available na daw to next week totoo kaya yun.
Nakasulat:
"Nikon D800 avail by next week"
"Nikon D800 will be avail by next week. Reply to this status if interested and we will send you all the price once the unit becomes available."

esep esep ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 07, 2012, 06:41:09 PM
Oh my gulay nag kalat ang Secondhand D700 sa Craigslist.com   
Pati unit ko andun din
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 07, 2012, 06:42:06 PM
Sabi sa fb ni wingeofus/one stop shop gadgets/ms. grace available na daw to next week totoo kaya yun.
Nakasulat:
"Nikon D800 avail by next week"
"Nikon D800 will be avail by next week. Reply to this status if interested and we will send you all the price once the unit becomes available."

esep esep ;D

Maybe available for pre-order. The release date is not until March and April for the E version.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 07, 2012, 06:43:30 PM
Oh my gulay nag kalat ang Secondhand D700 sa Craigslist.com   
Pati unit ko andun din

This is the best time to look for a bargain D700. Just watch out for the shutter actuation count and condition of the body.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 07, 2012, 06:58:27 PM
D800 and D800E no availabale at BnH and Amazon.

@gq
    ang daming nag lipanang D700 sa tristate pa lang ata yan.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 07, 2012, 07:48:01 PM
I've decided to merge all the topics about the Nikon d800. Para mas masaya!!!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: peppersauce on February 07, 2012, 07:52:35 PM
 ;D kakapimp ko pa lang ung D700 and we're still getting to know each other... lumabas na ung D800/E.. mapapasubo tayo nito..  8)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 07, 2012, 09:10:38 PM
I've decided to merge all the topics about the Nikon d800. Para mas masaya!!!

Nice "move" Doc.  ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: yourdone on February 07, 2012, 09:30:16 PM
MapCamera had 3 options for the D800 available for preorder

D800 body only JPY298000
D800E body only JPY348000
D800 28-300VR kit JPY396000

Raming bagung listing sa used section na D3s, D3, at non upgraded buffer D3, may D3x kaso JPY548000. Sino pa kaya bibili nun?
Yung bnew D3x remaining stocks na lang inuubos, pero meron pa silang brand new na D3
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 07, 2012, 09:45:34 PM
"Keep in mind that if you are aware of how these color moiré patterns are created, you can do your best to avoid photographing things that cause them. But more importantly, remember that sharpness can be performed in post processing, where filtering out moiré patterns cannot. The anti-aliasing filter exists in the spatial domain and cannot be easily done once color moiré is captured. "
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 07, 2012, 09:57:08 PM
"Keep in mind that if you are aware of how these color moiré patterns are created, you can do your best to avoid photographing things that cause them. But more importantly, remember that sharpness can be performed in post processing, where filtering out moiré patterns cannot. The anti-aliasing filter exists in the spatial domain and cannot be easily done once color moiré is captured. "
I am not sure if the NX2 with moire reduction tool is effective. It does not say that it can totally removed. How sharp the d800E can be compared to d800?That's a question that we will know from the coming reviews.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 07, 2012, 10:07:29 PM
Based on the Nikon specs, the D800 is 95 grams lighter than the D700. 900g vs 995g.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on February 07, 2012, 10:31:57 PM
What I really like about this body is the DX mode aka D7000 mode. Decent parin ang 15.x mp for me unlike sa D700 DX mode.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on February 07, 2012, 11:52:06 PM
The size of the Nikon D800/D800E RAW files is around 75 megabytes

 :o :o :o

http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d800/features01.htm#a12 (http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d800/features01.htm#a12)

some D800/D800E ISO and moire samples, grabe ang sharp!  ::)

sana ginawa na lang nila na may lever para pwede alisin on demand ang AA filter.

so far so good. ganda ng sony sensor a
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: chaloy on February 07, 2012, 11:54:42 PM
this crop from ephotozine shows the sharpness advantage of the D800E
http://www.ephotozine.com/articles/nikon-d800-d800e-digital-slr-hands-on-preview-18420/images/highres-nikond800d800esample2_1328546891.jpg (http://www.ephotozine.com/articles/nikon-d800-d800e-digital-slr-hands-on-preview-18420/images/highres-nikond800d800esample2_1328546891.jpg)

here is another crop from the nikon site showing color moire
http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d800/img/features01/img_23.jpg (http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d800/img/features01/img_23.jpg)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: bikoy888 on February 08, 2012, 12:11:37 AM
Good live view this time  :-*

Live view photography lets you shoot still images while confirming the exposure level on the LCD monitor*. You can even magnify images up to approx. 23x to check the exact focus.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: birdnipil on February 08, 2012, 12:21:28 AM
what i want to know is how good is it at low light given the high mp sensor  ???
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 08, 2012, 12:24:41 AM
I will pre-order D800E this week, daming buyers and scammers sa email ko from craigslist for my D700, lol
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: likhamira on February 08, 2012, 01:26:37 AM
this is it. THIS IS IT... ;D

I think it will be priced the same as the d700 when it was first released, asa range ng 150K. For the top notch specs that was all in my imaginary Nikon wishlist ALL coming true in the d800 - I am sold. :D

This I think is a great camera. Can't wait to shoot both photos and videos with it. :D

But I will wait. :D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: potch on February 08, 2012, 01:31:27 AM
parang d3X lang.. or parang late reaction ng 5dmkii.  ;D hehe
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: brotha214 on February 08, 2012, 07:05:38 AM
 :o :o :o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Or9FI4TJ_8g# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Or9FI4TJ_8g#)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 08, 2012, 07:22:23 AM
parang d3X lang.. or parang late reaction ng 5dmkii.  ;D hehe

D40= 6mp x 4= 24mp D3x

D7000= 18mp x 2= 36mp D800 / E  :o
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 08, 2012, 08:04:57 AM
D40= 6mp x 4= 24mp D3x

D7000= 18mp x 2= 36mp D800 / E  :o
oppppsss sobra Glenn, the d7k is just 16.2MP ;D ;D ;D...anyway we got the drift.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 08, 2012, 08:20:27 AM
oppppsss sobra Glenn, the d7k is just 16.2MP ;D ;D ;D...anyway we got the drift.

Oo nga ano. Nakalimutan ko na 16 MP LANG pala ang D7000. Hindi ko na kasi gaanong pinapansin si D7000.  :o

My co-worker just gave me the cash for my D700 with 24-120mm f4 enough to cover the D800 but I want the E version. Dag dag nalang ng konte. Total cost to own a D800E plus battery grip is around $4,000. USD. $2k difference, D4 na.  ??? 

I still need to think which one to get since the D700 is more than enough for me.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 08, 2012, 09:10:09 AM
Oo nga ano. Nakalimutan ko na 16 MP LANG pala ang D7000. Hindi ko na kasi gaanong pinapansin si D7000.  :o

My co-worker just gave me the cash for my D700 with 24-120mm f4 enough to cover the D800 but I want the E version. Dag dag nalang ng konte. Total cost to own a D800E plus battery grip is around $4,000. USD. $2k difference, D4 na.  ??? 

I still need to think which one to get since the D700 is more than enough for me.
::)  ::) Now the left mouse button is about to be pushed.

For those who does not own a d700, getting a d800 is not quite hard decision to make. However, for those who have the d700, why will you replace it with the d800? The new features are really obvious and it could be an advantage and at the same time a disadvantage.The d800 looks likes to be an upgrade of the d3x. This will be very demanding on good techniques, tripods and lenses. Poor techniques will lead to even more blurry images.Lenses that do well on d700 will perform subpar on the d800. The d700 is more of an all around camera IMHO. However, there is no hint that Nikon will replace it, i.e. a d4 in a d700 like body.
The 800E has still a weak filter effects.There are  filters but not like the d800 AA filters. Looks like they just rearranged it of some sort but I am not technically adept to explain it.It means that even though it is sharper than the 800 it might be forgiving on lenses than the d800. I am just surmising it inaccurately but don't take my thought on that.It is just really an ignorant presumption.
Now, since the difference between the d800 and d800E is not really clear. I will save my penny before embarking on the journey: Getting a bargain d700 or plunging my resources on the formidable d800 or d800E. Like Glenn, I might consider the d800E over the d800. I suggest that refrain from rushing and acting on GAS. ;D ;D...well, its up to you by the way!!!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: mikeD70s on February 08, 2012, 10:02:42 AM
Hmmm isip isip.... Glen if you can get the D4... get the D4 na. Para walang mag sisisi.

Funny and infuriating at the same time... Guess its from a canon fanboy... but they do have a point. It seems that the D800 followed the 5dmkII route?
http://fakechuckwestfall.wordpress.com/2012/02/07/the-nikon-d800-less-than-meets-the-eye/ (http://fakechuckwestfall.wordpress.com/2012/02/07/the-nikon-d800-less-than-meets-the-eye/)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 08, 2012, 10:34:14 AM
::)  ::) Now the left mouse button is about to be pushed.

Transaction completed for the E version.   ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 08, 2012, 10:36:18 AM
Transaction completed for the E version.   ;D
Please update us after the CP+....Thanks a lot!!!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: mikeD70s on February 08, 2012, 11:51:40 AM
At one click of a button! Give us the Hi & Lows Glen...
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 08, 2012, 12:27:17 PM
Hmmm isip isip.... Glen if you can get the D4... get the D4 na. Para walang mag sisisi.

Funny and infuriating at the same time... Guess its from a canon fanboy... but they do have a point. It seems that the D800 followed the 5dmkII route?
[url]http://fakechuckwestfall.wordpress.com/2012/02/07/the-nikon-d800-less-than-meets-the-eye/[/url] ([url]http://fakechuckwestfall.wordpress.com/2012/02/07/the-nikon-d800-less-than-meets-the-eye/[/url])


Mike ganyan lang talaga yan.  If you don't apply proper technique and use great lenses, that's what you get with a 36MP. Those images are far from what Nikon have posted on their website. There are too many factors that were not mentioned like the type of support used (tripod and ballhead) and EXIF data. Hindi mo talaga maiwasan ang camera envy kung minsan sa mga fan boys. The brand war was long dead in my book but it maybe still alive for the rookies. Kung saan sila masaya, ok lang yan.  :)

Best to use a tripod, higher shutter speed and mirror-up if you want the sharpest images at 36mp. The D700 is more forgiving when it comes to regular use. I know I can produce razor sharp images once I get this camera with the current lenses that I have. 

I'll get some hands-on test images tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: kpy555 on February 08, 2012, 12:45:36 PM
Glenn, update us soon! I'll be excitedly waiting. ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 08, 2012, 12:59:06 PM
Glenn, update us soon! I'll be excitedly waiting. ;D

Probably late Thursday night, I'll be able to post some pictures from the convention center.  :o
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: kpy555 on February 08, 2012, 01:05:12 PM
Probably late Thursday night, I'll be able to post some pictures from the convention center.  :o

I'm excited!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: likhamira on February 08, 2012, 01:23:20 PM
haha, funny yun fake chuck westfall a. ::) ;D

thats the only hesitation i have though with huge megapixels, it means it'll eat up harddrives and processing power sa computer. but sige na nga rin, i'll try it with the thinking na parang gumagamit na rin ako ng medium format. ;D Basta sakin, if its like the D700 except may video at 1080hd, thats good na for me for the stuff i like to do.

Honestly nakakainggit yun mga canon boys na nakakapagvideo ng super ganda with their vdslrs, e di ko naman trip magshift, so the d800 answers to this dilemma.

1080 hd video with nikon optics, by the looks of it - SOLID! kaya nakaka excite to see and use it for myself soon. :D

yun mga unang makabili, game na - I - we are waiting! :D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 08, 2012, 06:30:53 PM
Honestly nakakainggit yun mga canon boys na nakakapagvideo ng super ganda with their vdslrs, e di ko naman trip magshift, so the d800 answers to this dilemma.



I'm not trying to instigate something here but I just came across this link from the other website. Here is a link on what the Canon side are saying about the D800. You can back read each page and let me know what you think.

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1146079 (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1146079)

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 08, 2012, 06:44:49 PM
Here is the fashion photographer who used the D800. You can pixel peep the images using the original files. (7360 x 4912).  :o

http://www.flickr.com/photos/heavywinds/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/heavywinds/)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on February 08, 2012, 08:06:24 PM
i was pixel peeping at the pic with the wildcat, and napa nganga talaga ako literally  :o :o :o

grabe ang resolution
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 08, 2012, 08:27:23 PM
I'm not trying to instigate something here but I just came across this link from the other website. Here is a link on what the Canon side are saying about the D800. You can back read each page and let me know what you think.

[url]http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1146079[/url] ([url]http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1146079[/url])


What I see is just a normal camera envy.Parang tayo din pagmaybagong release ang mga camera makers.Kasi for quite sometime now,Nikon was lacking in video department and resolution.There is an advantage and disadvantage having high megapixel camera and we know all of that.If the d800 will really trounce the 5dMk3 then we will see some migrations.
Personally, there are times that I want to shift to Canon. For one simple reason: Service Center.Other than that I am at home with Nikon cam.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 08, 2012, 08:29:38 PM
i was pixel peeping at the pic with the wildcat, and napa nganga talaga ako literally  :o :o :o

grabe ang resolution
Here we go again,the Master BI at work!! Peace idol, Rico.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 08, 2012, 08:44:05 PM
What I see is just a normal camera envy.Parang tayo din pagmaybagong release ang mga camera makers.Kasi for quite sometime now,Nikon was lacking in video department and resolution.There is an advantage and disadvantage having high megapixel camera and we know all of that.If the d800 will really trounce the 5dMk3 then we will see some migrations.
Personally, there are times that I want to shift to Canon. For one simple reason: Service Center.Other than that I am at home with Nikon cam.

It makes sense for the Canon 5D MkII owners to get attracted with the D800 since they are used to higher MP and better video while most Nikon users are more used to lower MP but lower noise at higher ISO and super AF.

This technology will also address the video that Nikon has lacked. There is no need to buy a different brand camera just to get a better video which were offered by the D3s, D90, D3100, D5100 and maybe even D7000.  It also offers full AF functions as needed at higher resolution.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 08, 2012, 08:46:54 PM
Some D800 wedding photos using other lenses (85mm f1.4) and higher ISO levels. Pretty amazing.

http://www.cmphotography.com/blog.cfm?catID=2&weddings (http://www.cmphotography.com/blog.cfm?catID=2&weddings)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on February 08, 2012, 09:13:14 PM
http://weblog.robvanpetten.com/archive/nikon-d800 (http://weblog.robvanpetten.com/archive/nikon-d800)

We took our prototype D800s into the studio with great anticipation, and spent one full day prepping before we shot. The very first image zapped through the tether and hit the screen with a WOW. The resolution – first of all – is unprecedented. Testing the camera was nothing short of a delight. Crew members – the hair and make-up people, usually too cool to comment, stood in speechless wonder as the first images came up on the screen. Then there was a Group OMG from the crowd. This was different – not only fat, colorful, and crisp, it held the detail in the bright highlights. The screen images look like a medium format camera but the body handles smoothly and effortlessly like a D700. My Medium Format dreams are answered.

This is a camera for someone who wants extraordinary detail and super fine quality. I used to say that a D3x rivals a medium format camera. The D800 changes my inclination toward anything bigger. It feels and looks similar to a D700 though a little smaller and lighter, with the addition of full 1080P video, and several other great updates.



36mp creates characteristics that look different. The file is 7,360 × 4912 pixels. It’s very, very sharp. It holds up to zooming up to 300% without the jiggy edges and pixillation produced by anything smaller. The sharpness is part pixel count and part processing.

The inherent file size can require some unusual treatment. The large capture can make the camera sensitive to vibration more than smaller cameras, requiring faster shutter speeds or a tripod. Even in the studio with flash, I used a tripod on shots done with a 200mm F/2 lens.

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: chaloy on February 08, 2012, 10:30:49 PM
saw this link to high ISO samples in dpreview
http://www.ferra.ru/ru/digiphoto/review/Nikon-D800-preview/print/ (http://www.ferra.ru/ru/digiphoto/review/Nikon-D800-preview/print/)

ISO 6400 looks good, nearly the same as the D700
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 08, 2012, 11:15:11 PM
"The inherent file size can require some unusual treatment. The large capture can make the camera sensitive to vibration more than smaller cameras, requiring faster shutter speeds or a tripod. Even in the studio with flash, I used a tripod on shots done with a 200mm F/2 lens. "

Will this be a cause for concern? Prone to blurry pics pag di steady ang pulso mo on slightly slower shutter speed?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 08, 2012, 11:39:16 PM
"The inherent file size can require some unusual treatment. The large capture can make the camera sensitive to vibration more than smaller cameras, requiring faster shutter speeds or a tripod. Even in the studio with flash, I used a tripod on shots done with a 200mm F/2 lens. "

Will this be a cause for concern? Prone to blurry pics pag di steady ang pulso mo on slightly slower shutter speed?

Of course, the big file size is a huge concern. :) I wonder how many forum measurebaters really take the time to measurebate their own techniques on how to shoot images?  ;D

There is a member of another forum (not this forum nor another pinoy forum) who is an excellent measurebator, can discuss links/technical stuff, how to read mtf charts, latest camera features, has the latest cameras and will always pre-order the upcoming models...etc... what I call a "measurebator par excellente"....

What is really interesting for me is that out of the hundreds of posts he posted, I've only seen 2 (a big fat two) images he posted of images he took himself... the images themselves leave plenty of room for improvement. A case of forum member who is more interested on the equipment and technical stuff rather than the essence of what photography is, to capture a moment.

Back to D800:

Yes, you will need to improve your handholding skills, re-learn which of your lenses will work well with it, learn how to optimize your ISO settings to increase your shutter speed, invest on better tripods, use monopod for handheld shots, etc...
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on February 08, 2012, 11:47:46 PM
i dont care, i want excellent FX video!!! :o :o :o

not having to multiply my solution by 1.5x is a big help to me. shooting with a DX setup forces me down this path. it is not so bad anyway but no additional computation by me or the software is better and more accurate for what i do  8)

finally,i can use my income tax refund  ::)

planning to get this thing by july when everything went well. wish me the best!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: likhamira on February 08, 2012, 11:57:16 PM
Agree ako kay pitbull! Excellent video on an fx body is solid!
The more i read this thread and check the links, the more i know i wont go wrong with the D800.
Ive always dreamed of a medium format camera of my own, with the d800, double blade na! Baka triple pa - awesome video, full frame hi resolution & med format quality in a 35mm dslr!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 09, 2012, 12:02:48 AM
@Aries
       as long as less than 200 actuations puwede pa raw isauli ayon kay Mamang BnH ahehehhee. Bahala si Batman kaka right click ko lang ng mouse. BI kasi si gqtuazon.
     
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on February 09, 2012, 12:06:48 AM
lol

i am not sure if i really needed the 34.3MP count...

to be honest, 24MP is already a lot for me. i prefer to shoot landscapes. sometimes i do crop at post and this is where it might help. the 12MP of the D700 to me is so-so. it is already sufficient but will not hurt to have a little bit more.

34MP will also make your hard drives full very fast.

it is a bit of an overkill. but overall it looks nice, future proofed for the next 5 years. think of it this way, the D700 is around 4 years now, but i still love this thing and the performance is not lacking despite it's age.

the D800 is also smaller than the D700, i am thinking that it is a chunkier D7000...this is also a big consideration for me. it is a very hard choice to make. one or both should go!

losing my DX dynamite may not be what i really wanted since DX does have it's advantages, but the D800 is just too compelling!!!

even if i let both the D700 and the D7000 go, or even the F4 system, the D800 will keep me busy for a long time! just have to be careful since this is not a cheap thing to bring around...

http://nikonrumors.com/2012/02/08/first-nikon-d4-shipment-delayed-till-march-15th.aspx/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+NikonRumors+%28NikonRumors.com%29&utm_content=FaceBook (http://nikonrumors.com/2012/02/08/first-nikon-d4-shipment-delayed-till-march-15th.aspx/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+NikonRumors+%28NikonRumors.com%29&utm_content=FaceBook)

now even the D4 is delayed because of bug fixes...let nikon clean up the bugs first, let the price settle then acquire!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 09, 2012, 12:15:46 AM
@Aries
       as long as less than 200 actuations puwede pa raw isauli ayon kay Mamang BnH ahehehhee. Bahala si Batman kaka right click ko lang ng mouse. BI kasi si gqtuazon.
      

 ;D ;D ;D

Jun, madali lang ma-test how much more you need to learn how to shoot a 36 megapixel sensor handheld. You don't need a D800 for that:

Shoot with a high megapixel sensor such as D7000 or NEX-5 handheld at varying shutter speeds (without VR). Ignore the rule about 1/focal length shutter speed. Check the fastest shutter speed you obtained with minimum motion blur. For example, if the fastest shutter speed you obtained shooting a 50mm lens without motion blur is 1/250 then you will need approximately 1/500 for a 36 megapixel sensor (approximately lang naman) to maintain the same minimum motion blur image.

The shorter exposure time, the more chance for you to capture a movement-free subject, and giving you a sharp image. A high megapixel sensor will unmask a blurry image and your handholding skills faster than you can say, "can I shoot it again?".

Some will argue that using a flash is a solution. I guess to each his own but for those flash advocates naman eh I usually see hard lighted images on their posted images.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 09, 2012, 12:20:16 AM
Sa mga naghahanap ng High ISO performance ng D800 heto may napulot ako sa darkside.

High ISO results!

ISO 25,600
http://www.ferra.ru/files/d800-sample-4.jpg (http://www.ferra.ru/files/d800-sample-4.jpg)
-
ISO 6400
http://www.ferra.ru/files/d800-sample-2.jpg (http://www.ferra.ru/files/d800-sample-2.jpg)
-
ISO 3200
http://www.ferra.ru/files/d800-sample-3.jpg (http://www.ferra.ru/files/d800-sample-3.jpg)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junji on February 09, 2012, 12:31:59 AM
sana e ibaba na rin ang price ng d700 for at lease srp of 2k usd, hindi na kasi justified yung 300usd difference kung pag pipilian mo yung d700 vs monster d800 in terms of price e.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 09, 2012, 12:39:00 AM
@junji
     Kuya wag mo munang ibaba,,, naka post pa sa craigslist yung sa akin at $2.1K ahehehehhe

"Some of the more interesting technology introduced in this camera is the face recognition for auto exposure. The idea here is that the 3D color matrix meter III uses the face recognition information and exposes for the face- rather than the other elements in the frame. This is a real advantage in backlit situations. The advantages here are obvious. Even in a challenging lighting scenario, if the camera can recognize the human face, it'll expose for that face without the need to adjust, thus, nailing exposure consistently without the need to compensate."


Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junji on February 09, 2012, 12:52:34 AM
ha ha, baka kasi sakaling mag mura e makapag-shift na rin sa FF.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: yourdone on February 09, 2012, 12:57:19 AM
Wag matakot sa 36mp sensor ng D800/E!

Pixel Pitch
D800/E 4.88
D7000 4.78
7D 4.3
A77/NEX7 3.89
J1/V1 3.38

Hindi naman pangit yung sensor ng D7000 di ba?

Sabay bumaba na ren presyo ng CF at SD cards, meron na reng 3TB na HDD
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 09, 2012, 01:09:07 AM
Wag matakot sa 36mp sensor ng D800/E!

Pixel Pitch
D800/E 4.88
D7000 4.78
7D 4.3
A77/NEX7 3.89
J1/V1 3.38

Hindi naman pangit yung sensor ng D7000 di ba?

Sabay bumaba na ren presyo ng CF at SD cards, meron na reng 3TB na HDD

Dan, hindi panget ang D7000.

Can you elaborate further on pixel pitch and its implications? How about its relationship to shooting techniques?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on February 09, 2012, 01:38:02 AM
 Sa mga naghahanap ng High ISO performance ng D800 heto may napulot ako sa darkside.

High ISO results!

ISO 25,600
http://www.ferra.ru/files/d800-sample-4.jpg (http://www.ferra.ru/files/d800-sample-4.jpg)
-
ISO 6400
http://www.ferra.ru/files/d800-sample-2.jpg (http://www.ferra.ru/files/d800-sample-2.jpg)
-
ISO 3200
http://www.ferra.ru/files/d800-sample-3.jpg (http://www.ferra.ru/files/d800-sample-3.jpg)




Sa 6400 hindi obvious yung noise sa blacks unlike sa D7k.
Sa 3200 very usable for me.
Ewan ko lang sa mga masters kung ano masasabi nila.
Check ko later sa bahay yung 25600 medyo mabagal dito sa ofc.

Thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 09, 2012, 01:41:46 AM
Akala ko 36MP is a monster, I found out that Sigma release a 46MP,just now:

http://photorumors.com/2012/02/08/sigma-dp1-merrill-and-dp2-merrill-46mp-cameras-announced/ (http://photorumors.com/2012/02/08/sigma-dp1-merrill-and-dp2-merrill-46mp-cameras-announced/) 

Foveon sensor siguro!!!

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Mitchoi on February 09, 2012, 04:19:58 AM
Ang ganda nung sample pics  ::)

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 09, 2012, 04:51:15 AM
Agree ako kay pitbull! Excellent video on an fx body is solid!
The more i read this thread and check the links, the more i know i wont go wrong with the D800.
Ive always dreamed of a medium format camera of my own, with the d800, double blade na! Baka triple pa - awesome video, full frame hi resolution & med format quality in a 35mm dslr!

You might want to re-think about getting medium format quality dahil sa D800. It will still be a pipe dream.  :)

If you examine a medium format image and compare it with a 35mm dslr image, the striking difference is the higher quality of tonal gradations and depth in a medium format image. The medium format lens and bigger sensor size area are both responsible for the difference. The D800 sensor is optimized for the register distance of a Nikkor lens however you can approximate the better quality of a medium format system by using a medium format lens on 35mm sensor.

Try mounting a Mamiya medium format lens on a Nikon D7000, D700, or D3s and you will see the effect on the tonal gradations, color depth, and 3-D like quality of the lens on a Nikon sensor - not quite the same but "approaching" the higher quality of medium format is a realistic description.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: yourdone on February 09, 2012, 05:27:23 AM
Dan, hindi panget ang D7000.

Can you elaborate further on pixel pitch and its implications? How about its relationship to shooting techniques?

The simplest explanation I can think of is that pixel pitch is the size of the "well" to collect the "drops" of photons which is converted to electrons sent to the AD (Analog to Digital converter). How thick the "walls" of the well are and how far apart they are are also partly determined by the pixel pitch and the sensor size.
That said, the amount of photons collected and how fast they are collected will still be dictated by the lens.
Pixel pitch is one of the considerations that correlates to the signal to noise ratio of a sensor as well as unity gain sensitivity.

As for shooting technique I have no idea, there have been discussions on how the current Sony batch is more tuned for shadow details over the previous 12.3mp sensors which were tuned for highlight overhead. I would imagine that would affect metering but I have no direct knowledge via the D5100, D7000 or D4

BTW Thor are you still active at Nikongear?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: likhamira on February 09, 2012, 06:28:24 AM
You might want to re-think about getting medium format quality dahil sa D800. It will still be a pipe dream.  :)

If you examine a medium format image and compare it with a 35mm dslr image, the striking difference is the higher quality of tonal gradations and depth in a medium format image. The medium format lens and bigger sensor size area are both responsible for the difference. The D800 sensor is optimized for the register distance of a Nikkor lens however you can approximate the better quality of a medium format system by using a medium format lens on 35mm sensor.

Try mounting a Mamiya medium format lens on a Nikon D7000, D700, or D3s and you will see the effect on the tonal gradations, color depth, and 3-D like quality of the lens on a Nikon sensor - not quite the same but "approaching" the higher quality of medium format is a realistic description.

agree, agree - i don't actually mean it does or it will be like a medium format na in all aspects, more than anything its just the high mp count i am referring to. I am boggled na kasi with a 36mp sensor and ive known of such mp counts sa medium format lang. judging by the crispness of the initial images from the d800 on the web, i think its a whole new level that approximates a medium format image. but that is more subjective than a technical analysis on my part.

pero di ba think about it - a medium format quality in a dlsr sized camera. why not? ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on February 09, 2012, 06:49:43 AM
wow! yun high ISO performance niya mukhang mas OK pa sa D700  :o :o :o
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on February 09, 2012, 07:35:51 AM
wow! yun high ISO performance niya mukhang mas OK pa sa D700  :o :o :o

Yun d700 user!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: johnnyblues on February 09, 2012, 08:06:34 AM
This is great news to all Nikon shooters. Except perhaps on the (kinda) slow FPS, this thing is the real deal.  ;D

I switched to Canon just last December and yes, I am feeling a "little" envious right now. I had to shoot a couple of pics yesterday before I slept just to soothe my feelings. ::)

***...desperately hoping Canon releases the 5DM3/X REALLY soon...***  ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 09, 2012, 08:12:26 AM
The simplest explanation I can think of is that pixel pitch is the size of the "well" to collect the "drops" of photons which is converted to electrons sent to the AD (Analog to Digital converter). How thick the "walls" of the well are and how far apart they are are also partly determined by the pixel pitch and the sensor size.
That said, the amount of photons collected and how fast they are collected will still be dictated by the lens.
Pixel pitch is one of the considerations that correlates to the signal to noise ratio of a sensor as well as unity gain sensitivity.

As for shooting technique I have no idea, there have been discussions on how the current Sony batch is more tuned for shadow details over the previous 12.3mp sensors which were tuned for highlight overhead. I would imagine that would affect metering but I have no direct knowledge via the D5100, D7000 or D4

BTW Thor are you still active at Nikongear?


Thank you for the reply, Dan. Yup, I am still a member of Nikongear pero tahimik ang UV/IR section kasi winter time kaya mas tumatambay ako dito.

Let me add the context why I asked the question about pixel pitch. The first thing that caught my eye is when you cited the pixel pitches of different sized sensors - FF and APS-C. I wanted to know if it is valid comparison to begin with. It is one of the controversial areas kasi in digital photography. For example, in this thread ("When Moore is Less") at DPReview:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1000&message=28557906&changemode=1 (http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1000&message=28557906&changemode=1)

My other question about its relationship to shooting techniques is the continuation of my point that the rate-determining step is not the newest stuff out there like the D800, but rather the person holding the newest stuff. How he shoots that darn thing determines how sharp and how powerful the camera can resolve the image.

If we look back at the threads on D7000 when it first came out, people were having fits about getting soft images and blamed the camera. Duh!  ;D ;D ;D I can't wait until I see the images captured by D800 under the hands of photographers and see the cycle again repeated in forums.

Let me summarize my thoughts in a short paragraph:

There are simple reasons why new cameras suck. One of them is the buyer became the beta-tester of the new camera, for example, the current orb issue of Fuji X-10. Another example is the fragility of the Leica M9 sensor that cracks under normal use, a $2000 replacement repair. Both products were released before the kinks were worked out at the expense of the buyer. A new product can also "suck" if the buyer feels he bought an old "new" product, for example, the Nikon V1, coming out after the other manufacturers released their versions of MILCs. However, the simplest reason why a new camera "suck" is that the buyer suffers from the phenomenon of transference. He sees images shot by testers (who most of them, with the exception of someone named KR actually know what they are doing) and suddenly expects the same results with the newest camera.

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on February 09, 2012, 08:43:05 AM
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7040/6843897771_381a211cd2_o.png)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/34626106@N02/6843897771/#sizes/o/in/photostream/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/34626106@N02/6843897771/#sizes/o/in/photostream/)

Magnified 2:1  :D and applied some noise reduction on a 30mb file.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: iampoch on February 09, 2012, 09:06:38 AM

Magnified 2:1  :D and applied some noise reduction on a 30mb file.

30MB :(
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: kpy555 on February 09, 2012, 09:08:52 AM
High ISO is super clean - really looked great. I must say it's almost or even at par with the D3s up to 6400. I'll shoot some ISO 25600 shots to compare again.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: mikeD70s on February 09, 2012, 09:22:54 AM
Rico you can swtich from FX to DX sensor mode naman. And even if you do that... you'll be able to have a nice hi-resolution DX photo pa rin (18mp to boot).
lol

i am not sure if i really needed the 34.3MP count...

to be honest, 24MP is already a lot for me. i prefer to shoot landscapes. sometimes i do crop at post and this is where it might help. the 12MP of the D700 to me is so-so. it is already sufficient but will not hurt to have a little bit more.

34MP will also make your hard drives full very fast.

it is a bit of an overkill. but overall it looks nice, future proofed for the next 5 years. think of it this way, the D700 is around 4 years now, but i still love this thing and the performance is not lacking despite it's age.

the D800 is also smaller than the D700, i am thinking that it is a chunkier D7000...this is also a big consideration for me. it is a very hard choice to make. one or both should go!

losing my DX dynamite may not be what i really wanted since DX does have it's advantages, but the D800 is just too compelling!!!

even if i let both the D700 and the D7000 go, or even the F4 system, the D800 will keep me busy for a long time! just have to be careful since this is not a cheap thing to bring around...

[url]http://nikonrumors.com/2012/02/08/first-nikon-d4-shipment-delayed-till-march-15th.aspx/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+NikonRumors+%28NikonRumors.com%29&utm_content=FaceBook[/url] ([url]http://nikonrumors.com/2012/02/08/first-nikon-d4-shipment-delayed-till-march-15th.aspx/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+NikonRumors+%28NikonRumors.com%29&utm_content=FaceBook[/url])

now even the D4 is delayed because of bug fixes...let nikon clean up the bugs first, let the price settle then acquire!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 09, 2012, 09:24:25 AM
I am excited in getting this thing as soon as it will land in our shore but now I am changing my mind. The responsibility of tending the big files and improving my techniques  are the ones that have taken me aback. Why? It may become so cumbersome for me and will take the fun out of it. This is a toy for the big boys and I am just a toddler.Dito na lang muna ako sa "lego" cam at least I won't worry  about blurry images because I am lazy carrying a tripod. Much more my hand holding technique really sucks.
Makikisaya na lang muna ako. I will borrow one when every one have theirs and from there , I will decide if I am ready for this.Hindi naman ako naniniwala don sa advertisement ng Nikon that even a physically challenged child without proper techniques can take great photos using the d800....ako lang yon ha !!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: mackie on February 09, 2012, 10:44:53 AM
my husband keeps on asking me kung bibili ako nito.....
tumatawa lang ako.... (kung reregaluhan nya ako tatanggapin ko naman :o)


ok na muna siguro ako sa D7k for my main body.. then D90 ko ngayon ang 2ndbody ko...

waiting parin naman ako ng stock ng D7k...  ???

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: LawrenceL on February 09, 2012, 01:44:54 PM
Guys just want to clarify you can switch from FX to DX on D800 right? how many MP if DX mode? very tempting but 30MB file  :o how about the RAW?

Magkano kaya retail price nito in PHP when reach our shores? this could be my big step  ;)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: yourdone on February 09, 2012, 01:57:52 PM
@Thor
Personally I don't think pixel pitch across different sensor sizes is comparable performance-wise since sensor size will also determine the gap between and the aforementioned "wall thickness" of the "wells" , but it can be used to illustrate a reasonable expectation as that the D800/E 36mp is NOT "too much" as many of the doomsayers are spreading.

I think it's the discussion about the D800E and how you'll need to be familiar with patterns that will produce moire or the false color that is scaring people from the D800. People are likely forgetting the D800 and D800E will behave differently in this manner.

@Lawrence
Afaik DX mode on the D800 is 15.4MP

Cliff Mautner on the D800 with delicious looking samples (http://scottkelby.com/2012/cliff-mautner-on-the-nikon-d800/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 09, 2012, 07:18:33 PM
I just returned from the C&P exhibit in Yokohama and all I can say is that I am ruined!

Nikon had the most number of real estate at the convention center (4 total) which includes testing cameras, lenses, model booth to test the NEW D4 and D800, areas for the V1/J1, and telescopes.

The good news: D800 delivers! Although the event didn't allow us to insert our memory cards this year, we were able to test them. It was very limited for me since I couldn't understand the menu (hiragana or Japanese characters).

LCD screen is just way better than our current LCD (D700, D90, D3s). You can zoom in and it can show more details. AF seems to be faster to acquire the subject. Zoom to 300% crop? No problem.

The bad news. Since the D800 was just right next to the D4, I had to try the D4. The previous user had it on Ch shooting mode. That thing just fired like a machine gun. For the D3s shooters, you know how that feels.

Retina described it accurately. The D800 is similar to a Mercedez or Cadillac, and the D4 is the Ferrari or Porche version.

The difference is $3,000. 

I want the D4 BAD!  :o
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on February 09, 2012, 07:50:18 PM
"I’ve spent the past 45 years involved in the analysis and design trades of spaceborne imaging systems (like the earth viewing Geoeye-1 telescope in orbit today), and Q is a wonderful, insightful and useful parameter. Q can be shown to be equal to wavelength x fno / pixel pitch. If we ignore the use of Bayer filtered pixels and do the calculation on a monochromatic basis (without a de-aliasing filter), for a Q=2 D800E (fully satisfying the Nyquist criterion at 0.55 microns), the fno turns out to be f/17.7. Thus an f/8.9 lens aperture setting on the D800E gives you a Q=1 system, which makes the D800E equivalent from a sampling standpoint to the Geoeye-1 telescope (which has a Q=0.95). In fact, many spaceborne imagers are about Q=1, which has turned out over the years to be a good compromise between resolution (NIIRS, if you are familiar with the government image quality measure) and low light performance (i.e. , SNR). And it’s interesting to note that the use of a lens set at f/8 (often the aperture that delivers the best quality image – i.e., best MTF) dovetails nicely with the achievement of a Q=1 D800E imaging camera.
 
So one could consider theD800E, at f/8, to be a miniature Geoeye-1 telescopic camera. The D800E has hit the traditional sweet spot for earth imaging satellite systems!"



from Phareng Thom  :o :o :o
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: MLG123 on February 09, 2012, 08:53:04 PM
The difference is $3,000.  

I want the D4 BAD!  :o

Less! The MB-D12 cost $600 (crazy Nikon!) so the cost difference is just $2400 for D800 and $2,100 for D800E.

I say go D4!   :o ;D (BI mode)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Alfalfameister on February 09, 2012, 09:02:36 PM
I just returned from the C&P exhibit in Yokohama and all I can say is that I am ruined!

I want the D4 BAD!  :o

You know, if you don't want to sin, you also have to stay away from near occasions for sin and temptation.

But, as Depeche mode sang, "I give in, to sin, to make this life more liveable!"

Now... go live your life! :)
(dagdag BI mode)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 09, 2012, 09:46:17 PM
Preee View!  Pasensiya na sa model. Taken with the Fuji X10.

D4 with Nikon 35mm f1.4G and D800 with Nikon 14-24mm f2.8  :o :o

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7177/6846348941_4a9c7c0675_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/24917880@N02/6846348941/)
Nikon D800 and D4 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/24917880@N02/6846348941/#) by gqtuazon (http://www.flickr.com/people/24917880@N02/), on Flickr
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 09, 2012, 09:53:51 PM
Kuya mukhang tinitimbang mo kung alin ang malapit sa puso mo ah
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 09, 2012, 09:59:36 PM
Preee View!  Pasensiya na sa model. Taken with the Fuji X10.

D4 with Nikon 35mm f1.4G and D800 with Nikon 14-24mm f2.8  :o :o

([url]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7177/6846348941_4a9c7c0675_b.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://www.flickr.com/photos/24917880@N02/6846348941/[/url])
Nikon D800 and D4 ([url]http://www.flickr.com/photos/24917880@N02/6846348941/#[/url]) by gqtuazon ([url]http://www.flickr.com/people/24917880@N02/[/url]), on Flickr
Ganda talaga ng Fuji X10  ;D :D ;)...opppppsss wrong thread at OT pa. Sayang at di allowed yong insertion ng cards.
You can always cancel the d800E Glenn.You can live with the d7000 for awhile. Then dagdagan mo na lang yong na reclaimed mo sa d700 and 24-120 for the d4. Anyway, you won't be paying the d4 in full so......playing "O" on you. Get the D4.... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on February 09, 2012, 10:00:10 PM
kumusta ang feel sa kamay ng D800  :o :o :o
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 09, 2012, 10:10:53 PM
Ganda talaga ng Fuji X10  ;D :D ;)...opppppsss wrong thread at OT pa. Sayang at di allowed yong insertion ng cards.
You can always cancel the d800E Glenn.You can live with the d7000 for awhile. Then dagdagan mo na lang yong na reclaimed mo sa d700 and 24-120 for the d4. Anyway, you won't be paying the d4 in full so......playing "O" on you. Get the D4.... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Doc - hanggang D800E lang talaga ang willing na gastos ko for my upgrade. The printed images on their gallery were impressive including some ISO 6400.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: dexterc on February 09, 2012, 10:13:41 PM
Doc - hanggang D800E lang talaga ang willing na gastos ko for my upgrade. The printed images on their gallery were impressive including some ISO 6400.


glenn mas bagay sayo d4 :-)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 09, 2012, 10:16:31 PM
kumusta ang feel sa kamay ng D800  :o :o :o


Rico - just like our D700 but it packs a BIG punch!  This is definitely a big problem for Canon's design engineers to match. Ang haba ng pila just to try these cameras including the Fuji X1pro.  I'll be very happy and contended with the D800E.

I'm still editing some. Hindi ko na matiis. Share ko muna sa Pipho bago ang iba.  :o  Walang ganyan ang NR!  Check ninyo nalang ang flickr ko if you want to view the larger size.  I'll post the other products too.

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7024/6846394331_71a99282fa_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/24917880@N02/6846394331/)
Nikon D800 with D700 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/24917880@N02/6846394331/#) by gqtuazon (http://www.flickr.com/people/24917880@N02/), on Flickr







Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 09, 2012, 10:21:38 PM
Back to back with D800 and now my ex-D700.  :-\

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7195/6846478359_c355de009f_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/24917880@N02/6846478359/)
C&P Yoko 053 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/24917880@N02/6846478359/#) by gqtuazon (http://www.flickr.com/people/24917880@N02/), on Flickr
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 09, 2012, 10:23:19 PM
Palagay ko Glenn mga preproduction units yan kaya di kayo allowed magrecord ng pictures. The d4 shipments are being delayed due to some bugs.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 09, 2012, 10:26:45 PM
Palagay ko Glenn mga preproduction units yan kaya di kayo allowed magrecord ng pictures. The d4 shipments are being delayed due to some bugs.

Doc - lahat ng manufacturers ayaw mag pa-insert ng memory card. Yung Sigma lang ang nagpapagamit ng lens nila using your own camera. Na try ko yung mga f2.8 long zooms nila. Sobrang bigat pati yung 300mm f2.8.  :o
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: LawrenceL on February 09, 2012, 10:29:00 PM
They changed the position of the AF mode selection switch?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: MLG123 on February 09, 2012, 10:41:14 PM
They changed the position of the AF mode selection switch?


D4 and D800 now the same as the D7000.

Correction: MB-D12 at $450, not $600

http://www.adorama.com/INKMBD12.html?utm_term=Other&utm_medium=Affiliate&utm_campaign=Other&utm_source=rflaid63773 (http://www.adorama.com/INKMBD12.html?utm_term=Other&utm_medium=Affiliate&utm_campaign=Other&utm_source=rflaid63773)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 09, 2012, 10:41:47 PM
The show had a strong emphasis on video.  Nikon is certainly moving in the right direction. It is a step forward to the future technology. The 36mp file sizes will be ok to be used on the 1440p HDTVs.  :o :o :o
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 09, 2012, 10:58:40 PM
I am excited in getting this thing as soon as it will land in our shore but now I am changing my mind. The responsibility of tending the big files and improving my techniques  are the ones that have taken me aback. Why?

-edit-

Doc A,

The D800 is a beast. No question about that. The learning curve to tame it would be steep for both gearheads and photographers. I am looking forward to shoot one with it. It would definitely be fun taming it and using it as a tool.

The big question for me is how to tame the beast in our hands. Paano? Try looking at it from a physiological point of view.

This is not a joke pero one photographer who previously had problems shooting a D7000 and getting motion blur due to its high resolving sensor. When he was placed on beta-blocker, he suddenly had very steady hands and learned how to press the shutter in-between his heartbeat. The beta-blocker slowed his heart down to the point of being able to shoot motion blur-free images.

I am not saying photographers should partake beta-blockers. What I am saying is if we take the time to study and google stuff about the D800, then I am saying we should also look inward and study the physiological aspect of being a photographer. We do that in our jobs. I know an anesthesiologist who when he inserts catheters through a patient heart, he would insert it during the time the patient lets out a breath so he would have a relaxed atrium to push the catheter through the heart and into the patients pulmonary artery.  ;D ;)

That's the fun part for me. We know we are dealing with a beast of a camera. It behooves us to learn also how to tame it by studying how we can shoot better.

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 09, 2012, 11:22:29 PM
@Thor
-edit-
I think it's the discussion about the D800E and how you'll need to be familiar with patterns that will produce moire or the false color that is scaring people from the D800. People are likely forgetting the D800 and D800E will behave differently in this manner.
-edit-


Dan, personally, the discussion between D800 and D800E is mostly gearhead stuff.

All my NIkon IR converted cams (3) do not have AA filters. I have been shooting Nikon dslrs with the AA filter removed. My full-spectrum NEX-3 do not have an AA filter also. My Sigma DP-1 full-spectrum do not have AA filter also.

You are right, for a photographer who knows patterns present in fabrics and architecture, they watch out for those patterns.

For gearheads, the AA filter is a big deal. I don't know why. ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 09, 2012, 11:26:10 PM
Doc A,

The D800 is a beast. No question about that. The learning curve to tame it would be steep for both gearheads and photographers. I am looking forward to shoot one with it. It would definitely be fun taming it and using it as a tool.

The big question for me is how to tame the beast in our hands. Paano? Try looking at it from a physiological point of view.

This is not a joke pero one photographer who previously had problems shooting a D7000 and getting motion blur due to its high resolving sensor. When he was placed on beta-blocker, he suddenly had very steady hands and learned how to press the shutter in-between his heartbeat. The beta-blocker slowed his heart down to the point of being able to shoot motion blur-free images.

I am not saying photographers should partake beta-blockers. What I am saying is if we take the time to study and google stuff about the D800, then I am saying we should also look inward and study the physiological aspect of being a photographer. We do that in our jobs. I know an anesthesiologist who when he inserts catheters through a patient heart, he would insert it during the time the patient lets out a breath so he would have a relaxed atrium to push the catheter through the heart and into the patients pulmonary artery.  ;D ;)

That's the fun part for me. We know we are dealing with a beast of a camera. It behooves us to learn also how to tame it by studying how we can shoot better.


Good point of view ,Thor.
           Which one will you shoot,the d800 or the d800E? Which one will turn the beast in you?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 09, 2012, 11:30:10 PM
Dan, personally, the discussion between D800 and D800E is mostly gearhead stuff.

All my NIkon IR converted cams (3) do not have AA filters. I have been shooting Nikon dslrs with the AA filter removed. My full-spectrum NEX-3 do not have an AA filter also. My Sigma DP-1 full-spectrum do not have AA filter also.

You are right, for a photographer who knows patterns present in fabrics and architecture, they watch out for those patterns.

For gearheads, the AA filter is a big deal. I don't know why. ;D
Di ba may filter pa din naman ang d800E? Ibang klase lang o kaya iba lang ang arrangement. Kasi itinanong na yan sa Press release. Dapat mas mura daw ang d800E kasi walang AA filter.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: yourdone on February 09, 2012, 11:48:31 PM
WB can now be fine tuned in increments of 10 hindi na 50. May Auto1 at Auto2 na ren sa Auto B, mas warm yung orientation nung Auto2

Auto Face detect metering! No more spot meter sa mukha/mata?!

Rob Van Patten on the D800 with delicious samples as well! (http://weblog.robvanpetten.com/archive/nikon-d800)

May graphic ginawa si Rob Gailbraith tungkol sa D800 at D800E (http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-11674-12304)

(http://www.robgalbraith.com/data/1/rec_imgs/5563_d800_olpf_graphic.jpg)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 10, 2012, 05:46:04 AM
Di ba may filter pa din naman ang d800E? Ibang klase lang o kaya iba lang ang arrangement. Kasi itinanong na yan sa Press release. Dapat mas mura daw ang d800E kasi walang AA filter.

It is supposed to have a more transparent filter with no effect on the light transmission since they are supposed to be redirected like what the illustration above shows. I wish I could have understood the Nikon explanation at the convention but it was all in Japanese.  :(

I'm still undecided on which one to get. Both have great features.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 10, 2012, 06:21:34 AM
Nikon D800 available for pre-order at BestBuy
18 months installment , zero percent interest ahehehehhehee
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 10, 2012, 06:25:15 AM
That's the fun part for me. We know we are dealing with a beast of a camera. It behooves us to learn also how to tame it by studying how we can shoot better.

I want a monthly prescription of that stuff Thor!  ;D

I agree that there is a learning curve in order to best use these cameras unlike the current cameras that we have which are more forgiving.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on February 10, 2012, 07:55:51 AM
Medyo madaming negative impressions sa D800, napaisip tuloy ako. (ChaseJarvis.com)
Masyado malaki 36mp for wedding shooters. 400photos x 30mb (jpg) is 12gb
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 10, 2012, 10:09:49 AM
Medyo madaming negative impressions sa D800, napaisip tuloy ako. (ChaseJarvis.com)
Masyado malaki 36mp for wedding shooters. 400photos x 30mb (jpg) is 12gb


Just like with the Canon 5D Mk II, you can always select a lower file size if you don't need the extra resolution.  People are too quick to judge equipment even if they have not experienced its capabilities.  Ganyan talaga sa mga forums, everyone wants to put in their 2 cents.

If a person had spent over $3,000 for a camera body, why complain on a cheaper item like memory cards? Eventually, the price will go down as time goes by.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 10, 2012, 10:37:09 AM
@carl
    here is the link you were talking about,,,, a different view naman about D800,,, napa isip rin ako tuloy,,, still ample time to cancel the pre-order  http://blog.chasejarvis.com/blog/2012/02/nikon-d800-camera-is-here-what-do-you-think/ (http://blog.chasejarvis.com/blog/2012/02/nikon-d800-camera-is-here-what-do-you-think/)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 10, 2012, 11:06:51 AM
@gqtuazon
      is there an option sa D800 na instead og shooting FINE/LARGE to just shoot MEDIUM,, if meron mga ilang mb kaya to?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 10, 2012, 11:37:10 AM
Just like with the Canon 5D Mk II, you can always select a lower file size if you don't need the extra resolution.  People are too quick to judge equipment even if they have not experienced its capabilities.  Ganyan talaga sa mga forums, everyone wants to put in their 2 cents.

If a person had spent over $3,000 for a camera body, why complain on a cheaper item like memory cards? Eventually, the price will go down as time goes by.

@ Glenn,

Totoo yang sinabi mo, Glenn. People read and look at the web images and then make quick judgments.  ;D

I don't bother looking at the posted web images shot by the D800 testers. Why? Upsampling and downsampling errors via the web. When Leica S2 (37 megapixel sensor) came out, Leicaphiles were wondering what is the optimal way to resize the files for the web to maintain the quality of the files.

I am chuckling now looking at the future when D800 images have to be uploaded resized to 1024 pixels. Should you apply Gaussian blur first then Bicubic resampling? Wala lang. I just can't comprehend how people can pass judgment on a new product looking at web test images.

Re: D800E - patterns are present everywhere. Fabrics, architecture, even landscapes in the form of repeating patterns of grasses, meadows, etc. You will also need a designated Nikon service center specifically for the D800E. If you belong to the camp of minimal post-processing or shoot mostly jpeg images, the D800 with the AA filter is more than enough. Remember, there is a reason why Nikon placed AA filters on their cameras - to spare the photographer the aggravation of cleaning up distortion and Moire-patterns. If you want to squeeze every little bit of data that you can get out of a RAW file and post-process the image for an end result that you have specifically in mind, then the D800E probably is a better option.

@ Doc A,

The D800E is more expensive probably because it requires a separate tooling line/assembly from the D800. You also add that special service centers have to be qualified to service them. I don't know if the Nikon dealer diyan sa Pinas would be certified to sell and service D800E versions.

Would I buy a D800/800E? Siyempre. I would of course wait until the kinks are worked out, probably by the 2nd or 3rd firmware update. First thing I would do is mount my Mamiya medium format lenses on that beast. ;D



Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: rowen.chumacera on February 10, 2012, 01:22:40 PM
via Scott Kelby's Google+ account:
Quote
Scott Kelby  -  Feb 8, 2012 (edited)  -  Public
Jumping the gun on the Nikon D800

Since my post last night here on G+, and on my blog today, I've seen a lot of comments flowing in pro and con about this camera, and I just want to say a quick few things about the comments I've been reading:

(1) The D800 was apparently created for a very specific type of photographer. There is no law that every camera introduced by a camera company has to be designed to fit your personal needs. If you read that it has 36.3 megapixels and you're like "36.3 megapixels is overkill!!!" then obviously this camera isn't for you, but that doesn't mean there aren't photographers out there who read that spec and cheered! (Me being on of them). It looks like this was designed for commercial photographers, and wedding and landscape shooters that want to be using a camera with Medium-Format type resolution without the medium-format price. If that's not you, that's OK. Nikon makes other camera models for you.

(2) The D800 doesn't appear to be designed for sports or action photographers (like the D700 was). In fact, it looks like the D800 is an entirely different camera intended for an entirely different market, which is why it only shoots 4/fps (which for a camera with that high a resolution is actually very fast. If you've ever shot a medium-format camera, this is blazing!!!).

(3) The D700 was kind of a stripped down version of the D3, but the D800 doesn't seem to be a stripped down D4 on any level (even though the name D800 alone would make us think otherwise). I wish Nikon had given it a different name just to make a more obvious break with the D700 line, and I really hope Nikon does introduce a stripped down version of the D4, because I always thought the D700 had an important place in their product line that a lot of people really benefitted from (I have a D700 myself).

(4) This is the most important one: the camera isn't shipping yet, and there are only literally a handful of people in the entire world that have even taken one single frame with this camera. Instead of rushing to judge this camera and exclaim why it's not for you, instead why don't we wait until we actually see one with our own eyes, hold one in our hands, and in person see a print from it and what it can do? I know, that sounds crazy but why don't we actually use one before we decide anything?

I know that from the specs alone, and from what I've read, and a personal account from one of the few people that did shoot one ---- I want one, and I'm pre-ordering mine from B&H Photo this morning (they're taking pre-orders here: [url]http://bhpho.to/zJsYDU[/url] ([url]http://bhpho.to/zJsYDU[/url]) --- Adorama is taking pre-orders now too at [url]http://bit.ly/zA99d0[/url] ([url]http://bit.ly/zA99d0[/url])). But just this once, why don't we actually see, hold, and experience the product for at least 60-seconds before we tell the world why it's not for us. You never know, this type of "try it before you trash it" thing might actually catch on. ;-)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: MLG123 on February 10, 2012, 02:32:49 PM
"Try it before you trash it."

Thanks Rowen.  Best line I have heard for a while.




Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: rowen.chumacera on February 10, 2012, 03:38:35 PM
"Try it before you trash it."

Thanks Rowen.  Best line I have heard for a while.
when I read it, I thought it best suites as a guide for those who tend to jump on the gun too soon, or are still pondering whether to upgrade or not. I think its one hell of a cam, sayang naman kung hindi mama-maximize yung features nya.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: dtmateojr on February 10, 2012, 06:34:56 PM
Does anyone have a link to sample landscape shots? If my experience with the K5 is an indication, the sensor is diffraction limited at f8. At f11 the photos are noticeably less sharp. It would be a bit of a disappointment because the resolution allows for a lot of cropping and would be advantageous for landscape shots.

Edit:

Found some from this link: http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/02/08/nikon-d800-sample-photos-are-mind-blowing/

Shots were taken at f8 except for one at f10 and they did notice blurring at that aperture.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 10, 2012, 06:52:07 PM
Does anyone have a link to sample landscape shots? If my experience with the K5 is an indication, the sensor is diffraction limited at f8. At f11 the photos are noticeably less sharp. It would be a bit of a disappointment because the resolution allows for a lot of cropping and would be advantageous for landscape shots.

Edit:

Found some from this link: [url]http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/02/08/nikon-d800-sample-photos-are-mind-blowing/[/url] ([url]http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/02/08/nikon-d800-sample-photos-are-mind-blowing/[/url])

Shots were taken at f8 except for one at f10 and they did notice blurring at that aperture.


Demo, viewing the test sample images on the web is a good exercise for measurebation only. I would wait until you can download a RAW file and post-process the RAW file to your own creative/photographic end-point. I viewed the test images also and I know I am viewing sRGB files with limited color space and accompanying digital artifacts and probably color gamut issues.

Regarding diffraction that you mentioned, the D800E (sans AA filter) will actually need to be stopped down probably to f/11 to act as an Anti-Moire. Or to put it plainly, the lens aperture (stopped down) will be the AA filter. How's that for the purposes of discussion?

The D800/800E is a gamechanger. I can see now the medium format community looking over also at the hardware and software side of the D800.  :)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: dtmateojr on February 10, 2012, 06:56:12 PM
Demo, viewing the test sample images on the web is a good exercise for measurebation only. I would wait until you can download a RAW file and post-process the RAW file to your own creative/photographic end-point. I viewed the test images also and I know I am viewing sRGB files with limited color space and accompanying digital artifacts and probably color gamut issues.

Regarding diffraction that you mentioned, the D800E (sans AA filter) will actually need to be stopped down probably to f/11 to act as an Anti-Moire. Or to put it plainly, the lens aperture (stopped down) will be the AA filter. How's that for the purposes of discussion?

Interesting info on the D800E and stopping down.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 10, 2012, 07:27:24 PM
@Aries
      Para akong nag rereminisce ng IR tutorials mo sensie ahehhehee.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 10, 2012, 08:32:29 PM
Interesting info on the D800E and stopping down.


Yes, interesting info. Take a look at Leica S2 with its CCD-based Kodak sensor without an AA filter specifically at images shot beyond what we call diffraction limits of lenses.

What is more interesting to me is this: with the D800E (sans AA filter), what do you think about the image quality and sharpness when you shoot scenes with repeating patterns and your aperture is wide open? The reason I am asking is we should also look at the other end of the spectrum - shoot stopped down to counter Moire but how about when the lens is wide open, will sharpness be affected also?

Let's say similar to this one (shot with D7000 + Mamiya 645 80mm 2.8 medium format lens):

(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6065/6143418713_f3377d6efc_b.jpg)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 11, 2012, 04:35:50 AM
Cancelled the 5pm scheduled meet up with the buyer of my D700......Cancelled D800 pre-order at BnH...... Keeping my D700.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: yourdone on February 11, 2012, 07:03:51 AM
Cancelled the 5pm scheduled meet up with the buyer of my D700......Cancelled D800 pre-order at BnH...... Keeping my D700.

Buy a D800 and keep the D700, they're both different enough to merit having both for different situations, unless you don't really need the specialized high megapixel 35mm camera.
Then sell the D700 when the D400 is out, which is supposedly full frame as well since both Canon and Nikon realize that no enthusiast will want to buy an $2000 crop sensor camera when there are equivalently price crop sensor mirrorless cameras like the NEX7 or Fuji X-Pro1
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 11, 2012, 07:22:42 AM
Buy a D800 and keep the D700, they're both different enough to merit having both for different situations, unless you don't really need the specialized high megapixel 35mm camera.

If I keep both cam I LOOSE A WIFE ahehehehehhee. So far I dont need the megapix naman. Antay nalang ako sa feedback mo on D800's low light performance compared sa D700, then I mag eesep-esep ako ulit. Pls update nalang pag napasakamay mo na niyo tool mo.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 11, 2012, 08:45:54 AM
Then sell the D700 when the D400 is out, which is supposedly full frame as well since both Canon and Nikon realize that no enthusiast will want to buy an $2000 crop sensor camera when there are equivalently price crop sensor mirrorless cameras like the NEX7 or Fuji X-Pro1

Who told you about that story? Aren't you aware that there are a lot of wildlife photographers that are waiting for a D300s DX replacement?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 11, 2012, 09:44:10 AM
Who told you about that story? Aren't you aware that there are a lot of wildlife photographers that are waiting for a D300s DX replacement?

Why wait for D300s DX replacement when you can switch to DX mode with the D800?

Glenn, I had to laugh when one of the questions I read about D800 is this: "Will moire show up on birds feathers? with the 800E?"

Antay pa rin ako ng sagot doon sa tanong ko earlier kay Demo, now with a twist: "Ano kaya ang image quality ng Nikkor 50mm 1.2 shot wide open with the D800E on a portrait?"  In short, will Moire show up on the subject's hair or eye lashes with the D800E?

I told you guys, the D800 is a game changer! Noon ang reklamo ng mga tao bakit 12 megapixel lang ang D700. Tapos when D3x came out with its high megapixel sensor, bakit ang mahal naman. Ngayon naman, with the D800 with a sensor comparable to the size (hopefully performance-wise also) of a Leica S2 medium format digital camera eh litong-lito ang mga potential buyers.

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: yourdone on February 11, 2012, 01:08:25 PM
Who told you about that story? Aren't you aware that there are a lot of wildlife photographers that are waiting for a D300s DX replacement?

A lot of birders I know have switched to full frame and are even excited about being able to AF with their 600mm F4 with a 2x TC on the D4 or D800. And besides as Thor mentioned 6fps on DX mode (15.4mp) of the D800 w/MBD12 should be decent enough as most even use just 5fps to maximize the af tracking to minimize mirror blackout.
Besides, a lot of wildlife photographers like Moose Peterson, Bill Fortney, Ole Jorgen Liodden are nature photographers who shoot landscapes as well, wouldn't the D800 be more versatile then?
I'd rather pay $3000 for a D800 that's both a good DX and FX camera than $2000 for just a good DX "flagship" .
I personally don't see Nikon being able to justify a D400 that is DX. What kind of features would a DX D400 have over the already very good D7000? And not to mention the D7000's product cycle is up this year, so it will be reasonable to expect a D7100 as well.
If Nikon has a DX D400, what would they put on the D7100 to differentiate it over a DX D400 as well as the D7000? As it is logical to assume Nikon will sell the D7000 alongside the D7100 much like the D90 and D7000.
If there are still people who want a DX D400, how many are those out there? And is it big enough to financially justify adding another model to Nikon's DX product line?
I would rather have an FX D400 with the D3s sensor, NO 8bit 4 2 2 clean hdmi output, 1080p 24/25/30+720p 50/60 , multicam5100FX or heck even the FX equivalent of the D7000's AF system, 97-98% frame coverage, live view that refreshes faster than 15fps like the old live view and doesn't need to raise the mirror like the D5100 and D7000, and compatibility with an existing grip like the MB-D12.
Then you'd maintain 3 lines each for DX (D3xxx entry level DX, D5xxx series midrange DX, D7xxx series) and FX( D4 was D3/s as high speed, high ISO FX flagship; D800 was D3x as high MP FX; D400 was D700 as enthusiast level jack of all trades FX)

What if instead of marketing the D800 as a full frame camera that can go DX at 15mp, why not market it as a DX 15mp camera that can go full frame! O ha, di ba mas magaling pakinggan?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 11, 2012, 01:32:19 PM
A lot of birders I know have switched to full frame and are even excited about being able to AF with their 600mm F4 with a 2x TC on the D4 or D800. And besides as Thor mentioned 6fps on DX mode (15.4mp) of the D800 w/MBD12 should be decent enough as most even use just 5fps to maximize the af tracking to minimize mirror blackout.
Besides, a lot of wildlife photographers like Moose Peterson, Bill Fortney, Ole Jorgen Liodden are nature photographers who shoot landscapes as well, wouldn't the D800 be more versatile then?
I'd rather pay $3000 for a D800 that's both a good DX and FX camera than $2000 for just a good DX "flagship" .
I personally don't see Nikon being able to justify a D400 that is DX. What kind of features would a DX D400 have over the already very good D7000? And not to mention the D7000's product cycle is up this year, so it will be reasonable to expect a D7100 as well.
If Nikon has a DX D400, what would they put on the D7100 to differentiate it over a DX D400 as well as the D7000? As it is logical to assume Nikon will sell the D7000 alongside the D7100 much like the D90 and D7000.
If there are still people who want a DX D400, how many are those out there? And is it big enough to financially justify adding another model to Nikon's DX product line?
I would rather have an FX D400 with the D3s sensor, NO 8bit 4 2 2 clean hdmi output, 1080p 24/25/30+720p 50/60 , multicam5100FX or heck even the FX equivalent of the D7000's AF system, 97-98% frame coverage, live view that refreshes faster than 15fps like the old live view and doesn't need to raise the mirror like the D5100 and D7000, and compatibility with an existing grip like the MB-D12.
Then you'd maintain 3 lines each for DX (D3xxx entry level DX, D5xxx series midrange DX, D7xxx series) and FX( D4 was D3/s as high speed, high ISO FX flagship; D800 was D3x as high MP FX; D400 was D700 as enthusiast level jack of all trades FX)

What if instead of marketing the D800 as a full frame camera that can go DX at 15mp, why not market it as a DX 15mp camera that can go full frame! O ha, di ba mas magaling pakinggan?
Sana ganon ang thinking ng Nikon...pero kung naisip mo bakit di sila? ha ha ha ha .Kaya possible at logical talaga yan.
Pero, di ko kailangan ng hi-sped cam kung accurate naman ang tracking eh di OK lang sa moving objects. Yong meron akong d70s,d80 at d90 di naman ako nagrereklamo. Yong may d7000 ako di ko naman nagagamit ang lahat na frame rate nya....well, kanya kanyang gamit yan. Remember the parable ng the donkey,the child and the old man.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 11, 2012, 02:09:14 PM
Why wait for D300s DX replacement when you can switch to DX mode with the D800?

Glenn, I had to laugh when one of the questions I read about D800 is this: "Will moire show up on birds feathers? with the 800E?"

Antay pa rin ako ng sagot doon sa tanong ko earlier kay Demo, now with a twist: "Ano kaya ang image quality ng Nikkor 50mm 1.2 shot wide open with the D800E on a portrait?"  In short, will Moire show up on the subject's hair or eye lashes with the D800E?

I told you guys, the D800 is a game changer! Noon ang reklamo ng mga tao bakit 12 megapixel lang ang D700. Tapos when D3x came out with its high megapixel sensor, bakit ang mahal naman. Ngayon naman, with the D800 with a sensor comparable to the size (hopefully performance-wise also) of a Leica S2 medium format digital camera eh litong-lito ang mga potential buyers.

Thor - re: 50mm f1.2 with D800E. My speculation if you use the center most area, my answer will be no since the 50mm is not really super sharp wide open. You might if you stop it down to f5.6 - f8 since that you be its sweet spot. I guess you can also put an el cheapo lens filter to counter moire and get similar effect.

Historical data shows that people will never be satisfied. They will always have something to complain against something even if Nikon delivers the unthinkable.

Based on what the panel of engineers have mentioned with regards to the future DSLR, HD video is here to stay and expect more improvements in the future generation cameras.  Canon, Nikon and Sony among the exhibitors who highlighted about the HD video capabilities of their new model cameras also displayed their various video rigs and Canon with their cinema lenses. Apparently there is a high demand for HD video in Japan.

Re: D400 or D300s replacement. We are all speculating anyway but it is likely that it will offer 1080p 30fps video with dual card slots in a D800 body, 8 fps. Who knows what sensor they'll put maybe the Sony's 24mp. Expect same grip as the D800 and possibly the same processor with 51 AF points.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 11, 2012, 02:16:46 PM
Why wait for D300s DX replacement when you can switch to DX mode with the D800?

Glenn, I had to laugh when one of the questions I read about D800 is this: "Will moire show up on birds feathers? with the 800E?"

Antay pa rin ako ng sagot doon sa tanong ko earlier kay Demo, now with a twist: "Ano kaya ang image quality ng Nikkor 50mm 1.2 shot wide open with the D800E on a portrait?"  In short, will Moire show up on the subject's hair or eye lashes with the D800E?

I told you guys, the D800 is a game changer! Noon ang reklamo ng mga tao bakit 12 megapixel lang ang D700. Tapos when D3x came out with its high megapixel sensor, bakit ang mahal naman. Ngayon naman, with the D800 with a sensor comparable to the size (hopefully performance-wise also) of a Leica S2 medium format digital camera eh litong-lito ang mga potential buyers.


Di ko alam ang sagot dyan Thor pero palagay ko di magshow yong moire kasi di sya gaano ka sharp.Ang tanong magmoire ba  kong sa f2.0 sya? O kaya 58mm Noct at 1.2?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Ramesses on February 11, 2012, 02:24:43 PM
Will the d7000's price will be affected? ???
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 11, 2012, 02:30:11 PM
Besides, a lot of wildlife photographers like Moose Peterson, Bill Fortney, Ole Jorgen Liodden are nature photographers who shoot landscapes as well, wouldn't the D800 be more versatile then?

I'd rather pay $3000 for a D800 that's both a good DX and FX camera than $2000 for just a good DX "flagship" .


I agree but not everyone are willing to pay for a $3k camara. Are you one of them? If Nikon offers a D400 DX at $2k, that will be more enticing for some who don't want to spend big money on FX lenses.

I personally don't see Nikon being able to justify a D400 that is DX. What kind of features would a DX D400 have over the already very good D7000? And not to mention the D7000's product cycle is up this year, so it will be reasonable to expect a D7100 as well.
If Nikon has a DX D400, what would they put on the D7100 to differentiate it over a DX D400 as well as the D7000? As it is logical to assume Nikon will sell the D7000 alongside the D7100 much like the D90 and D7000.
If there are still people who want a DX D400, how many are those out there? And is it big enough to financially justify adding another model to Nikon's DX product line?


Check out the crowd from Nikoncafe.com who shoots sports and wildlife photography especially the birders. You'll notice that a DX camera that can deliver cleaner ISO, faster and more accurate AF, about the same size of the D300s, higher resolution, and that is priced around $2k is what they've been waiting for.

What Nikon decides to put on the next generation of D7100 or model line up is up to them. We are just speculating. I bet no one here ever thought of having a D800 and D800E 6 months ago, correct?

If you read Ken Rockwell's post, he recommends the Nikon 28-300mm lens for the D800. This is contrary to what Lloyd Chamber's blog, who is also ordering the D800E.

http://diglloyd.com/index.html (http://diglloyd.com/index.html)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: potch on February 11, 2012, 03:05:03 PM

If you read Ken Rockwell's post, he recommends the Nikon 28-300mm lens for the D800. This is contrary to what Lloyd Chamber's blog, who is also ordering the D800E.

[url]http://diglloyd.com/index.html[/url] ([url]http://diglloyd.com/index.html[/url])


Now ko lang naappreciate ang significance ng D800E over D800. D800E with the nikon 28-300mm combo, solve na solve na.. :)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 11, 2012, 05:27:28 PM
Now ko lang naappreciate ang significance ng D800E over D800. D800E with the nikon 28-300mm combo, solve na solve na.. :)

Nope. Not for me. Maybe for a walk-around lens it will be ok.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 11, 2012, 09:24:28 PM
Di ko alam ang sagot dyan Thor pero palagay ko di magshow yong moire kasi di sya gaano ka sharp.Ang tanong magmoire ba  kong sa f2.0 sya? O kaya 58mm Noct at 1.2?

Doc, dahil walang AA filter ang 800E, if you shoot RAW and view the file before any post-processing, makikita mo yung Moire. Kaya the 800E comes with Capture NX2 software instead na ViewNX2 for the regular D800. Moire is a digital artifact present in all digitally captured images whether still or video so kailangan talaga ng processing to eliminate it or in most cases, an AA filter as part of the hardware. Sharpness is a different issue naman from moire kasi sharpness is about microcontrast while moire is distortion.

You raised a very valid point though that most people here are not talking about - the lens issue:

Nobody wondered if the 36megapixel sensor will finally outresolve the best glass available for the D800 - Zeiss and Nikkors. For me, that is a big issue. Will my present glass still can outresolve the newest sensor or will I need new glass which means waiting for Nikon to come up with upgrades of the trinity? Or is the reason why Nikon upgraded most of their lens line up in the last 2 years is because of the expectation that the upcoming sensor will outresolve their current line up?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 11, 2012, 09:28:17 PM
@Aries
   kaya ba ng 24-70,70-200 VRII and 17-35 Nikon lenses?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 11, 2012, 09:43:11 PM
@Aries
   kaya ba ng 24-70,70-200 VRII and 17-35 Nikon lenses?

Jun, hindi ko alam. I will let the fan boys discover it for me. Joke lang!  ;D

I am taking the same position as you, 'pre. I am looking at the entire forest instead na getting lost looking at the trees. On in photographic terms, since the D800/800E is aiming straight at the digital medium format and high resolution crowd, I am looking at the D800 landscape using a wide angle lens. What is the big picture here kuno. For sure I am getting a D800, the question is kailan and ano pa kailangan ko bilhin along with it. :)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 11, 2012, 09:44:38 PM
Battery grip sensie ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 11, 2012, 09:49:36 PM
Battery grip sensie ;D

HAHAHAHA! muntik na matapon yung kape sa keyboard ko, Jun!!!! kasi naisip ko rin agad, kailangan bling-bling accessories agad rin yung D800! Tsaka the first images eh yung images ng bagong biling D800, nakapatong sa lamesa shot with an iphone or P&S! NYAHAHAHA!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 11, 2012, 09:55:17 PM
malamang naka pre-order ka na sa Adorama or BnH ahehehhehe
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 11, 2012, 09:57:59 PM
Thor - we will get better or more accurate answer once Dxo makes the test. Historically, the lenses excelled when used with the D3x. We might get similar or better results if we use the data on the D3x as a reference.

I have the right glass to match these cameras. It is just a matter of re-learning the best way to get the sweet spot and avoid the settings that could result to softer images.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 11, 2012, 10:01:30 PM
malamang naka pre-order ka na sa Adorama or BnH ahehehhehe

Nag-pre order ako nang LCD protector. Hahahaha!

Teka baka ma-ban ako ng mods... ;D  hindi pa ako nag-pre order.  ;D Seryoso ako dun sa lens issue. Mas importante yun sa akin kesa sa big files. Yung HD saka memory cards mura lang yun. Pero yung lente, yun bubutas ng bulsa in the long run. Baka mapabili ako bigla ng Zeiss lenses para lang matalo yung newest sensor.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 11, 2012, 10:06:57 PM
Meron kayang kit lens to?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 11, 2012, 10:08:58 PM
Thor - we will get better or more accurate answer once Dxo makes the test. Historically, the lenses excelled when used with the D3x. We might get similar or better results if we use the data on the D3x as a reference.

I have the right glass to match these cameras. It is just a matter of re-learning the best way to get the sweet spot and avoid the settings that could result to softer images.

I am on a hovering mode muna, Glenn. I'll let others be the beta testers first, that way I'll avoid spending more than I have to. :)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 11, 2012, 10:15:59 PM
Meron kayang kit lens to?

I have to stop reading your questions, Jun! ;D Kit lens issue yan, big deal yan, just look at the threads about kit lenses! hahahaha!

This is a comment I read about kit lens & D800:

"If Pentax kit lenses can resolve K-5 sensor, then surely even cheap kit lenses can resolve D800's larger pixels."
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 11, 2012, 10:20:24 PM
The good thing sa pag labas ning D800 is magkakaroon na naman ng rebate pag bumili ka ng body along with some lens, pagnagkataon savings for those who have been planning to buy a new body and lens upgrade.
   



     Sensie may tanong sa iyo sa kabilang thread.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: yourdone on February 11, 2012, 10:34:08 PM
I agree but not everyone are willing to pay for a $3k camara. Are you one of them? If Nikon offers a D400 DX at $2k, that will be more enticing for some who don't want to spend big money on FX lenses.

Check out the crowd from Nikoncafe.com who shoots sports and wildlife photography especially the birders. You'll notice that a DX camera that can deliver cleaner ISO, faster and more accurate AF, about the same size of the D300s, higher resolution, and that is priced around $2k is what they've been waiting for.

What Nikon decides to put on the next generation of D7100 or model line up is up to them. We are just speculating. I bet no one here ever thought of having a D800 and D800E 6 months ago, correct?

If you read Ken Rockwell's post, he recommends the Nikon 28-300mm lens for the D800. This is contrary to what Lloyd Chamber's blog, who is also ordering the D800E.

[url]http://diglloyd.com/index.html[/url] ([url]http://diglloyd.com/index.html[/url])


I must say I no longer visit Nikon cafe after hearing about the fiasco concerning Joe Noordman's series of blue jay images that was stolen and posted by someone else on Nikoncafe. To add insult to injury it was even Joe's account that was banned after he reported the incident and it took some time and several people for things to be rectified.

As for a  DX camera that can deliver cleaner ISO, faster and more accurate AF, about the same size of the D300s, higher resolution, and that is priced around $2k sounds like a D7000 already ticks three of those boxes. It'd be surprising to see only an AF system improvement on the D7100 with only a slight buffer upgrade.
Granted I must admit the price gap needs to be addressed. The price gap from a D7000 to a D800 is just to big to not have something in between.

Again, a DX D400 is as equal a speculation as a FX D400. Who knows, Nikon might decide to surprise us with the D400 the way they surprised everyone with the D800. If no one could imagine the D800 6 months ago, why not a D400 equally as unimaginable? There is that APS-C 24mp sensor from Sony. But then again you might need to splurge on FX quality lenses to resolve that sensor?
Besides there could be a D9000 as well? 3xxx-5xxx-7xxx-9xxx? LOL

BTW what happened to the 1Dx? It was pulled out from pre-order on both Adorama and B&H? Need mode upgrades after seeing the D4 or D800?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 11, 2012, 10:53:44 PM
Doc, dahil walang AA filter ang 800E, if you shoot RAW and view the file before any post-processing, makikita mo yung Moire. Kaya the 800E comes with Capture NX2 software instead na ViewNX2 for the regular D800. Moire is a digital artifact present in all digitally captured images whether still or video so kailangan talaga ng processing to eliminate it or in most cases, an AA filter as part of the hardware. Sharpness is a different issue naman from moire kasi sharpness is about microcontrast while moire is distortion.

You raised a very valid point though that most people here are not talking about - the lens issue:

Nobody wondered if the 36megapixel sensor will finally outresolve the best glass available for the D800 - Zeiss and Nikkors. For me, that is a big issue. Will my present glass still can outresolve the newest sensor or will I need new glass which means waiting for Nikon to come up with upgrades of the trinity? Or is the reason why Nikon upgraded most of their lens line up in the last 2 years is because of the expectation that the upcoming sensor will outresolve their current line up?
Meron akong nadidiscover  na ignorance ko sa kakapost ko dito.I know the science of light is complicated that I can't fully comprehend and understand. I have a toink question but even toink ones deserve an answer Thor.If an AA filter reduces moire effect and makes the image less sharp then, wouldn't a less sharp lens will act as filter and reduced the moire? Even if the moire is a distortion but then its appearance still depends on the quality of light....or I am missing all the points in here?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 11, 2012, 11:26:37 PM
Meron akong nadidiscover  na ignorance ko sa kakapost ko dito.I know the science of light is complicated that I can't fully comprehend and understand. I have a toink question but even toink ones deserve an answer Thor.If an AA filter reduces moire effect and makes the image less sharp then, wouldn't a less sharp lens will act as filter and reduced the moire? Even if the moire is a distortion but then its appearance still depends on the quality of light....or I am missing all the points in here?

Great question, Doc! Natumbok mo how complicated digital capture is in terms of comprehending the technical aspect of it. Kaya most people would rather concentrate on numbers and graphs dahil visual yung data instead na trying to understand the big picture.

You asked: "If an AA filter reduces moire effect and makes the image less sharp then, wouldn't a less sharp lens will act as filter and reduced the moire?

My thoughts on that question: Yes! That is why I commented that small apertures on a sensor without AA filter will reduce the moire and assuming the lens will outresolve the sensor, then you will still get sharp and contrasty images even if you shoot at the near limit of lens diffraction. I commented before that the answer to most of our questions about the D800E can be gleaned from the experiences of medium format shooters, specifically from the Leica S2 shooters. BTW, Leica S2 is a $22K body.  :)

You asked: "Even if the moire is a distortion but then its appearance still depends on the quality of light."

Yes. Hard light will show more distortion as compared to soft light because the microcontrast is more obvious on hard-lighted subjects.

Realistically, Doc, I prefer walang AA filter dahil in my eyes, iba yung tonality ng walang AA filter captured images. Madali lang tanggalin sa post-processing ang distortion caused ng walang filtration. Medium format digital backs and bodies do not have AA filters. Leicas do not have AA filters. Digital artifacts are just that - artifacts sila. We just have to clean them up. The upside is iba ang quality ng image talaga, better in my own subjective eyes. Or you can see for your self sample images captured by Leica S2 and Hasselblad digital images. If D800E can approximate at least 90-95% of the image quality of Leica S2 and Hassy if you pair the D800E with a Zeiss lens or quality Nikkor, then that is a bargain na di ba? Kaya my comment about "gamechanger" from Nikon.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 12, 2012, 06:44:31 AM
If D800E can approximate at least 90-95% of the image quality of Leica S2 and Hassy if you pair the D800E with a Zeiss lens or quality Nikkor, then that is a bargain na di ba? Kaya my comment about "gamechanger" from Nikon.

Around 15% of the price, 3fps faster and higher ISO level compared to the medium format, that is indeed a bargain camera. What is the ISO limit of the Hassy, around ISO 200? You get HD video too.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 12, 2012, 07:10:07 AM
Thanks Thor.I will stop asking questions for now....maybe later. Ako rin ang nalilito sa question ko.

 I am on hovering mode or better known as "nagmemeron pero naguusi din".I have my eyes set on the d800E and Glenn knows that's my target.However, I will wait for quite awhile and I may buy yet another cam like a m4/3 or an MIC before embarking on the d800E. I will grab it once all the tips and  tricks are posted all over the net.Another thing, I have to find out  first if  the service center here are capable of maintaining the d800E. I am looking forward for a long and lasting relationship with it. However, I should know how feasible the venture first....preorder mode na ako ha ha ha ha...ng Strap.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 12, 2012, 07:58:36 AM
Around 15% of the price, 3fps faster and higher ISO level compared to the medium format, that is indeed a bargain camera. What is the ISO limit of the Hassy, around ISO 200? You get HD video too.

Glenn, we have to consider also the lens component. Here's a blog from Diglloyd (also voiced by some of my kabolahizing ko about lenses and sensors):

"I predict that most Nikon zooms and some primes will not be up to snuff over the whole frame, but will provide very acceptable results in the central 1/2 to 2/3 area, which is where portraits and similar shots need the sharpness. I doubt very much that landscape and similar shots which require whole-frame sharpness will realize the potential of the D800 using most of the Nikon lens lineup, at least most of the zoom lineup. The D800 / D800E will even flush out the few weaker offerings in the Zeiss lineup."

Yan ang isa sa consideration ko. Hindi naman malaking problema yan. I just have to find the right lens, say an APO-Lanthar 125mm for midrange ($2k), a Zeiss 24mm for wide, and ewan ko pa for 50mm. Meron na akong 50mm, hopefully one of them is a good match. Zooms are out of the equation. I do not shoot for money. I shoot for my own pleasure so my standards are not dictated by customers' high expectations or for some, their lack of understanding of our craft.

Bottom line kasi for me, once you get to that high megapixel level, the sensor will crush the poseurs - distortion for lenses and motion blur for photographers. Forget about shooting handheld at 1/100 at that high megapixel count, even 1/250 might not even be enough for some of us who do not have good techniques. Either the image will look crappy because of the lens or because of the photographer's technique.



 



Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 12, 2012, 12:07:17 PM
You just made me not to want it for goos ,lol
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: LawrenceL on February 12, 2012, 12:22:43 PM
Glenn, we have to consider also the lens component. Here's a blog from Diglloyd (also voiced by some of my kabolahizing ko about lenses and sensors):

"I predict that most Nikon zooms and some primes will not be up to snuff over the whole frame, but will provide very acceptable results in the central 1/2 to 2/3 area, which is where portraits and similar shots need the sharpness. I doubt very much that landscape and similar shots which require whole-frame sharpness will realize the potential of the D800 using most of the Nikon lens lineup, at least most of the zoom lineup. The D800 / D800E will even flush out the few weaker offerings in the Zeiss lineup."

Yan ang isa sa consideration ko. Hindi naman malaking problema yan. I just have to find the right lens, say an APO-Lanthar 125mm for midrange ($2k), a Zeiss 24mm for wide, and ewan ko pa for 50mm. Meron na akong 50mm, hopefully one of them is a good match. Zooms are out of the equation. I do not shoot for money. I shoot for my own pleasure so my standards are not dictated by customers' high expectations or for some, their lack of understanding of our craft.

Bottom line kasi for me, once you get to that high megapixel level, the sensor will crush the poseurs - distortion for lenses and motion blur for photographers. Forget about shooting handheld at 1/100 at that high megapixel count, even 1/250 might not even be enough for some of us who do not have good techniques. Either the image will look crappy because of the lens or because of the photographer's technique.



 





Im still wondering if this 36mp will be a problem with super zoom lens
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 12, 2012, 01:12:31 PM
Glenn, we have to consider also the lens component. Here's a blog from Diglloyd (also voiced by some of my kabolahizing ko about lenses and sensors):

"I predict that most Nikon zooms and some primes will not be up to snuff over the whole frame, but will provide very acceptable results in the central 1/2 to 2/3 area, which is where portraits and similar shots need the sharpness. I doubt very much that landscape and similar shots which require whole-frame sharpness will realize the potential of the D800 using most of the Nikon lens lineup, at least most of the zoom lineup. The D800 / D800E will even flush out the few weaker offerings in the Zeiss lineup."

Yan ang isa sa consideration ko. Hindi naman malaking problema yan. I just have to find the right lens, say an APO-Lanthar 125mm for midrange ($2k), a Zeiss 24mm for wide, and ewan ko pa for 50mm. Meron na akong 50mm, hopefully one of them is a good match. Zooms are out of the equation. I do not shoot for money. I shoot for my own pleasure so my standards are not dictated by customers' high expectations or for some, their lack of understanding of our craft.

Bottom line kasi for me, once you get to that high megapixel level, the sensor will crush the poseurs - distortion for lenses and motion blur for photographers. Forget about shooting handheld at 1/100 at that high megapixel count, even 1/250 might not even be enough for some of us who do not have good techniques. Either the image will look crappy because of the lens or because of the photographer's technique.


Yup! That is what I've read too and I've shared the link on the previous page. I prefer zooms and I know that the 24-70mm and 70-200mm will do very well. I am not sure about the 16-35mm f4 VRII.  

Re-learning how to use the camera with our current lenses will require time in order to know where the threshold is before you reach lens diffraction. You have a wide variety of lenses that you can play around. Diglloyd mentioned on his blog that he intends to buy a D800. It will be interesting to know which lens work best to match the high resolution of the D800.  I agree that you'll need to implement a better shooting technique using a good tripod, higher shutter speed, and using Mup in order to get super sharp pictures.  One might get away with it if you are just re-sizing it for web posting without magnification or cropping.

Based on the explanation on the picture below, F8 is the sweet spot and you'll notice softness as you stop down to f16 using the Nikon 24-70mm. Sample on the monitor is around 300% magnification of a previous picture.

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7061/6860589645_dbe6504826_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/24917880@N02/6860589645/)
C&P Yoko 097 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/24917880@N02/6860589645/#) by gqtuazon (http://www.flickr.com/people/24917880@N02/), on Flickr
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on February 12, 2012, 03:00:11 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ripf5Mcu2q4&feature=g-u-u&context=G2c8f6e5FUAAAAAAADAA# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ripf5Mcu2q4&feature=g-u-u&context=G2c8f6e5FUAAAAAAADAA#)

 :o :o :o
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: potch on February 12, 2012, 03:28:25 PM
Boss Rico,

Thanks for the informative video, now i know. yan pala ana pinag dedebatehan nilang moire noise pattern.  ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on February 12, 2012, 03:39:58 PM
you are welcome. i first encountered this phenomenon when doing a CG image for a client. the pattern was so fine that it created this moire thing. those who work on CGI are very familiar with this. what we would do to remedy this is to blur the affected area or randomize the patterns enough.

in real shooting, i cannot think of anything in nature that can do this on it's own. bird's feathers are a good candidate, but then the features of a bird's feather and how it interacts with other variables are not sufficient to produce this...but it is a possibility  :o :o :o something has to have a certain amount of randomness for it not to have this moire effect. and as we know, nothing visible in nature does this. maybe crystals will, but i do not know. let us leave this to the scientists to think about.

i do not have a D800E, but if i did, i do not think that it will be too much of a problem to correct. i am not even bothered that the sensor will out resolve my lenses...i am actually more concerned about storage at this point jejeje
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: yourdone on February 12, 2012, 06:14:46 PM
Im still wondering if this 36mp will be a problem with super zoom lens

It is odd that the first "kit" of the D800 is with the 28-300 VR, my preferred kit would have the Zeiss 21mm F2.8 Distagon
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 12, 2012, 07:12:40 PM

Patalastas muna and still on-topic naman kasi it is about high resolution images:

Caloy Esguerra, my brod & kababayan natin based here in NYC is a Hasselblad and D7000 shooter. He is a juried multi-awardee in Europe & US. You can view his gallery here:

http://carlosesguerra.photoshelter.com/gallery/Award-Winners/G0000ZQiu4H5mEAg/ (http://carlosesguerra.photoshelter.com/gallery/Award-Winners/G0000ZQiu4H5mEAg/)

I mentioned his name kasi I am wondering who can guess the images he shot with the Hasselblad and which images he shot with the D7000.

He will also hold a homecoming exhibition in his native town of Taytay, Rizal on February 16 – 23, 2012 at the SM City Taytay Bridgeway, as part of the “Visual Arts Festival 2012: The Rizal Experience” of the National Commission on Culture and the Arts (NCCA). Mention nyo lang sa kanya pangalan ko (Thor Lidasan) sabay ilag! joke lang!

Back to topic:

@ Rico,

Bihira natin makita ang digital distortion like moire kasi most or almost all digital and video cameras have AA-filters. Kaya sa capture pa lang nalilinis na. If you see it with an AA-filtered cam like you mentioned, then weak yung filtration nun.

@ Dan, for most photographers who do not print at full resolution and are mostly viewing their output on their monitors, their current line up of lenses would probably be enough for them. Kaya siguro yung kit lens is the 28-300 VR. Corner to corner sharpness of 36-megapixel sensor is hard to view at full resolution on an LCD monitor. ;D

@ Glenn, although Nikon is not promoting the D800E as an alternative to medium format crowd, the fact that the medium crowd is taking a look at D800E is something very interesting. Instead of lugging a trunk full of Pelican cases and tripods for their medium format gear eh, they are now taking a peek at the specs of D800E and like Dan mentioned, probably a Zeiss lens to go with it.

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 12, 2012, 07:24:37 PM
It is odd that the first "kit" of the D800 is with the 28-300 VR, my preferred kit would have the Zeiss 21mm F2.8 Distagon
Gusto ko rin yang Zeiss 21 at 100. If ever I will get the d800E, my intentions are just educational trip .Nothing more. If I get crappy pictures I don't care ( I will just show you the good ones anyway ;)) . I don't need this kind of camera. Want lang to. A very expensive tuition fee for a course in Photography. I will accept Thor's challenge: Tame the best!!! ;) ;)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on February 12, 2012, 07:31:01 PM
Hi Aries6263, the moire that we experience sometimes at our job is observed from a digital image produced entirely by the computer or CGI. the images that come out of the software are so sharp that it produces this kind of effect. now, about the only images that i see having this effect that comes from a real camera(not CGI) is from a D90 and 35mm f/1.8 combo and a D90 with a tokina 11-16mm f/2.8 combo. these lenses are so sharp that they gave me this moire effect(usually more prominent on a camera's LCD).

nice images by caloy, i am planning to go to that exhibit as he shoots the same theme as me. his images bring me back to one of the basics which is "shapes and colors".  :o :o :o
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: yourdone on February 12, 2012, 07:37:20 PM
Wow!, Thor, birds of the same feather flock together talaga! Galing ng mga images ni sir Carlos L Esguerra!

Makahanap lang ako kasama pupunta ako Taytay kahit taga south ako.

@doc retina

I admire your fighting spirit sir! Meron akong nakitang mga ZF1 na 21mm dati na preloved sa HK nung naglabasan ang ZF2, sana meron pa pagnakabalik para di masyado masakit sa bulsa.
Meron na nga bang option for 21mm sa mga 2011 made na Nikon? Di na kelangan iset to 20 or 24?
So malamang sa D800 meron an ren no?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on February 12, 2012, 07:47:34 PM
ako, pupunta  :o :o :o

pero from north ako  ::)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 12, 2012, 10:35:38 PM
Gusto ko rin yang Zeiss 21 at 100. If ever I will get the d800E, my intentions are just educational trip .Nothing more. If I get crappy pictures I don't care ( I will just show you the good ones anyway ;)) . I don't need this kind of camera. Want lang to. A very expensive tuition fee for a course in Photography. I will accept Thor's challenge: Tame the best!!! ;) ;)


Doc- do not make it difficult for you.  ;D :o :o

from the user's group.

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7198/6861922107_7d797f3e90_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/eha1990/6861922107/)
Nikon - Come To The  Dark Side (http://www.flickr.com/photos/eha1990/6861922107/#) by eha1990 (http://www.flickr.com/people/eha1990/), on Flickr
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 12, 2012, 11:06:16 PM

@ Dan & Rico, maraming salamat! Very approachable si Caloy and he can tell you very interesting stories about his award winning images lalo na yung Hasselblad images niya sa Hasselblad Circuit Competitions. Don't forget to ask him about yung combo nang D7000 + Nikkor 200-400mm AFS for night time long exposures/landscapes.  ;)

@ Glenn, hehehe... I like that Dark Side image. ;D

@ Doc A, look at it this way.... if you wait two years, you might be looking at a 70-100 megapixel full frame sensor.... hahahahaha!

Ako? I am excited to test the D800E with one of my oldest Nikkor, 1961/62 Nikkor 58mm 1.4 - the grand daddy of the Nikkor 50mm:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7052/6862865093_96f34b5f33_b.jpg)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 12, 2012, 11:20:00 PM
Thor I would be very interested to know which lens in your arsenal shines the most with the 800E.  The test will definitely keep you busy for a while (in a good way).

You can probably get decent shots if you use the center area of your classic lens and just crop the outer area for portraits.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 12, 2012, 11:27:21 PM
Mga kuya maaring natanong na to, wala bang option sa D800 na hindi Large/Fine image size? Like Medium lang 16-24 ang i set mo na file size. If ito yung setting mo what would be the downside kung meron?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 12, 2012, 11:30:14 PM
Thor I would be very interested to know which lens in your arsenal shines the most with the 800E.  The test will definitely keep you busy for a while (in a good way).

You can probably get decent shots if you use the center area of your classic lens and just crop the outer area for portraits.

Exactly, Glenn! Antay ako few months, and as soon as ok na yung firmware nya, I'll pull the trigger.

The heck with Zeiss lenses... I am going to mount my Canon 58mm 1.2 FL, Canon 85mm 1.8 FL and Canon 200mm 2.8 FD on that sucker and post their captured images on the web! hahahaha!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 12, 2012, 11:53:10 PM
Mga kuya maaring natanong na to, wala bang option sa D800 na hindi Large/Fine image size? Like Medium lang 16-24 ang i set mo na file size. If ito yung setting mo what would be the downside kung meron?


Jun, meron. File sizing is not a problem. Kaya I commented na its not a big deal yung file sizes basta efficient ka lang how to set your settings.

The downside? We have to wait and see.
The upside? I am betting na what you gain sa bagong sensor in terms of dynamic range and high iso will offset yung downside niya.

Here's the file sizing for D800. Yung first column with numbers is for FX mode and 2nd column is for DX mode. Look at the file settings for jpeg. They're not huge and basta organized ka in terms of which images to shoot raw and jpeg, walang problema naman:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7180/6863167707_b634158db4_b.jpg)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 13, 2012, 12:59:45 AM
Exactly, Glenn! Antay ako few months, and as soon as ok na yung firmware nya, I'll pull the trigger.

The heck with Zeiss lenses... I am going to mount my Canon 58mm 1.2 FL, Canon 85mm 1.8 FL and Canon 200mm 2.8 FD on that sucker and post their captured images on the web! hahahaha!

Thanks sa reply,,,, kita kits nalang sa BnH ahehhehehe
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 13, 2012, 06:54:10 AM
Para doon sa mga nag-pre order... Nikon will run the table and produce 30,000 units of D800 per month! :o

full article here: http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v6/newsbusiness.php?id=644921 (http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v6/newsbusiness.php?id=644921)

here's a caption:

SENDAI (Japan), Feb 10 (Bernama) -- Japan's Nikon Corporation, one of the world's top camera producers, is targeting to produce 30,000 units of D800 and 5,000 units of D4 camera models, the company's latest, per month at its factory here.
-With the current 1,600 workers, the factory is producing one unit of camera per minute on a daytime shift with each unit of the D800 variant produced every four hours and the D4 variant every five hours. Saito said the Sendai factory, which also produced the D3x and F6 variants, still sources some components for the camera production from Nikon overseas plants including Nikon China. Some 1,600 component parts are needed to produce each of the D800 and D4 cameras, the 30-odd media representatives from Malaysia, Singapore, Hong Kong and Australia were told when they toured the Sendai factory.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: coffee_rolla on February 13, 2012, 11:24:01 AM
Hi there sirs. Been reading a lot of D800 articles on the net but I haven't read on weather the D800 has

real time exposure simulation in live view using manual mode. Did Nikon mention anything about this feature

anywhere? I hope the cam has this because it's a great help on landscape and product shots.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 13, 2012, 11:45:29 AM
Hi there sirs. Been reading a lot of D800 articles on the net but I haven't read on weather the D800 has

real time exposure simulation in live view using manual mode. Did Nikon mention anything about this feature

anywhere? I hope the cam has this because it's a great help on landscape and product shots.

I am not sure  if what you are talking about is similar to Nikon's live view photography and they call it exposure preview. You can adjust everything in live view and then somewhat there is a simulation before shooting. To see it for yourself just review the digitutor:

http://www.nikondigitutor.com/eng/d800/index.html (http://www.nikondigitutor.com/eng/d800/index.html)
Just click the live view photography and then submenu live view photography, then subsubmenu click exposure preview.....better still just view everything.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 13, 2012, 12:36:59 PM
Hi there sirs. Been reading a lot of D800 articles on the net but I haven't read on weather the D800 has

real time exposure simulation in live view using manual mode. Did Nikon mention anything about this feature

anywhere? I hope the cam has this because it's a great help on landscape and product shots.

To be more specific, are you asking if there is Live View Histogram and Exposure Preview similar to the flagship Nikon like the D3, D3x, and D3s?

The answer is no. The Live View Histogram is still limited to Nikon pro-bodies.

There is a crude Live Exposure Preview similar to D700 which shows a primitive exposure meter and then you eyeball the small LCD to judge how the scene looks like.For example, you can see what the external filter or graduated ND filter does to your scene. However, the D800 does not have Live Histogram. I still do not understand why Nikon insists on not including that feature on all their models which really does not help someone who also needs to evaluate the histogram to judge the latitude of his exposure data - from shadows to highlights. A shame on Nikon, me thinks. Sony, Olympus, and Canon have Live View Histogram + Live Exposure Preview across their models, from their flagship cameras to their P&S models.

On the other hand, I've always argued that the live histogram we see on the camera LCD is just a jpeg rendition anyway so it is not to be trusted also. I do have to admit that I always check the histogram after a shot for qualitative evaluation of exposure. It would be good if I can do it before I press the shutter.  ;D

There are a lot of stuff that Nikon does that really irritates the heck out of me. You can add the D800 WB is still limited by firmware in terms of how you can not lower the temperature lower than Incandescent setting of 2800 Kelvin  ::) >:(

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: coffee_rolla on February 13, 2012, 01:05:21 PM
@Retina
@Thor

Thank you for your responses sirs. Yes Thor you nailed it. I was referring to the real time live view feature that exists on all the enthusiast P&S, Canon dslr models and Nikon pro bodies. That really should be a "giveaway" feature because for a maker, it's not expensive to implement right?

My D90 couldn't make an instant real time rendition of the scene while I tweak the shutter and aperture individually in live view. When I half press in live view on M mode, it showed an inaccurate preview that wasn't faithful to the actual stops. I was hoping Nikon could add that feature in incoming models. It's sad na wala pa rin pala siya on the d800.

Having a preview of how a square or circular filter is affecting the sky or exposure would be a big help. I can still do it in manual but still, I wish we could have the option to see a preview for times when we're pressured to get "the shot" due to time constraints.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: yourdone on February 13, 2012, 06:29:50 PM
Bakit nga ba walang RAW Histogram para hindi na kailangan mag UniWB?

Kaya naman ng Nikon maglagay ng kurtina sa viewfinder at built-in intervalometer na wala sa pro body ng iba pero wala pa reng RAW histogram?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 13, 2012, 09:04:51 PM
Bakit nga ba walang RAW Histogram para hindi na kailangan mag UniWB?

Kaya naman ng Nikon maglagay ng kurtina sa viewfinder at built-in intervalometer na wala sa pro body ng iba pero wala pa reng RAW histogram?

Ewan ko ba diyan sa Nikon na yan. Pero pinapatawad ko ang Nikon sa kapalpakan na yan kasi kahit paano eh Nikon tries hard na backward compatible yung mga lente niya all the way to the 50's issued lens. ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: LawrenceL on February 13, 2012, 10:11:54 PM
Kailan ang dating nito sa mga stores dito sa atin?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 13, 2012, 10:22:55 PM
@Retina
@Thor

Thank you for your responses sirs. Yes Thor you nailed it. I was referring to the real time live view feature that exists on all the enthusiast P&S, Canon dslr models and Nikon pro bodies. That really should be a "giveaway" feature because for a maker, it's not expensive to implement right?

My D90 couldn't make an instant real time rendition of the scene while I tweak the shutter and aperture individually in live view. When I half press in live view on M mode, it showed an inaccurate preview that wasn't faithful to the actual stops. I was hoping Nikon could add that feature in incoming models. It's sad na wala pa rin pala siya on the d800.

Having a preview of how a square or circular filter is affecting the sky or exposure would be a big help. I can still do it in manual but still, I wish we could have the option to see a preview for times when we're pressured to get "the shot" due to time constraints.



Oliver, one of the issue na hinahanap ko ang sagot is kung binago na ba ang Live View mechanism sa D800.

On the current Nikons, engaging the Live View means:

the mirror goes up, you focus (manually or auto), and when you press the shutter, the mirror goes BACK DOWN, then up again, the shutter fires, and the mirror goes back up.

Geez! That is a lot of movement lalo na kung small aperture ka and you're shooting a highly detailed landscape shot. Kahit gaano ka-stable ang tripod mo, you need at least 1/100-1/200 speed to counter the mirror slap.

Kaya I am not surprised na umaangal saka nalito yung mga D7000 owners bakit unsharp yung images nila compared to their previous DX cams (say, D90). Merong "delay setting" for the Live View but you still need a good shutter speed to overcome yung small vibrations. With a 35-megapixel sensor ng D800, I am sure people who will use Live View will learn this hard way (if pareho pa rin ang design/mechanism sa current Nikons. Sa D7000 nga lang, obvious na agad eh, doblehin mo pa resolution nun.

What I mean is sana yung design sa D800 is similar to D4 na iba na ang Live View mechanism:

"The D4 keeps the mirror locked up while shooting still pictures in Live View and the camera is set to Tripod mode. This is, to our knowledge, the first Nikon digital SLR to behave this way, and it was long overdue. Now, while in Live View and you press the shutter release to take a photo or burst of photos, the only sound you hear is the shutter actuation. Plus, at the end of the burst there isn't a pause as the mirror locks up again, since it's already up."

Above quote from http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-11673-12223 (http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-11673-12223)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: yourdone on February 13, 2012, 10:39:25 PM
Kailan ang dating nito sa mga stores dito sa atin?

March 22,2012 ang official release date sa Japan ng D800 at D800 28-300VR, April 12 ang D800E
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: yourdone on February 13, 2012, 11:03:29 PM
Oliver, one of the issue na hinahanap ko ang sagot is kung binago na ba ang Live View mechanism sa D800.

On the current Nikons, engaging the Live View means:

the mirror goes up, you focus (manually or auto), and when you press the shutter, the mirror goes BACK DOWN, then up again, the shutter fires, and the mirror goes back up.

Geez! That is a lot of movement lalo na kung small aperture ka and you're shooting a highly detailed landscape shot. Kahit gaano ka-stable ang tripod mo, you need at least 1/100-1/200 speed to counter the mirror slap.

Kaya I am not surprised na umaangal saka nalito yung mga D7000 owners bakit unsharp yung images nila compared to their previous DX cams (say, D90). Merong "delay setting" for the Live View but you still need a good shutter speed to overcome yung small vibrations. With a 35-megapixel sensor ng D800, I am sure people who will use Live View will learn this hard way (if pareho pa rin ang design/mechanism sa current Nikons. Sa D7000 nga lang, obvious na agad eh, doblehin mo pa resolution nun.

What I mean is sana yung design sa D800 is similar to D4 na iba na ang Live View mechanism:

"The D4 keeps the mirror locked up while shooting still pictures in Live View and the camera is set to Tripod mode. This is, to our knowledge, the first Nikon digital SLR to behave this way, and it was long overdue. Now, while in Live View and you press the shutter release to take a photo or burst of photos, the only sound you hear is the shutter actuation. Plus, at the end of the burst there isn't a pause as the mirror locks up again, since it's already up."

Above quote from [url]http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-11673-12223[/url] ([url]http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-11673-12223[/url])


I strongly believe the D800 will not drop the mirror as well as both the D7000 and D5100 no longer drop the mirror when Live View. I know Thom Hogan mentioned this but I had to be sure as well and found this on Dpreview's D5100 Review with a video as well (http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond5100/page18.asp)

One genuinely useful characteristic is that, like the D7000, the D5100 holds the mirror up all the time in live view mode, and doesn't have to drop it down to reset the shutter and make the exposure. As a result, you can use live view as a proxy for mirror lockup to minimize vibration when shooting off a tripod, in concert with either the remote release or the self timer. Simply enter live view to flip the mirror up, then release the shutter a couple of seconds later when any vibrations have died away.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 13, 2012, 11:52:27 PM
I strongly believe the D800 will not drop the mirror as well as both the D7000 and D5100 no longer drop the mirror when Live View. I know Thom Hogan mentioned this but I had to be sure as well and found this on Dpreview's D5100 Review with a video as well ([url]http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond5100/page18.asp[/url])

One genuinely useful characteristic is that, like the D7000, the D5100 holds the mirror up all the time in live view mode, and doesn't have to drop it down to reset the shutter and make the exposure. As a result, you can use live view as a proxy for mirror lockup to minimize vibration when shooting off a tripod, in concert with either the remote release or the self timer. Simply enter live view to flip the mirror up, then release the shutter a couple of seconds later when any vibrations have died away.



Dan, you're right regarding D7000, however, the mirror will still drop during Live View if you use a flash, say during a portraiture session. I wonder if the flash limitation also applies to D5100.

For kicks and giggles, for those with D7000, you can see this in action by using Live View, take the lens out and shoot a bracketed shots. Without flash, the mirror stays up in between shutter actuations but with flash the mirror drops and up again in-between shutter actuations. Can someone test this on D5100? ;D

I agree with you regarding the mirror issue during Live View for the D800. Surely, Nikon knows that vibration is a big issue for a high resolution sensor and they re-designed the Live View for the D800.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 14, 2012, 12:33:52 AM


"The inherent file size can require some unusual treatment. The large capture can make the camera sensitive to vibration more than smaller cameras, requiring faster shutter speeds or a tripod. Even in the studio with flash, I used a tripod on shots done with a 200mm F/2 lens. "  Rob Van Petten
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: kenzo901 on February 14, 2012, 10:44:52 AM
D800 High iso test

http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/02/09/nikon-d800-sample-images-low-light-high-iso-samples-photos/ (http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/02/09/nikon-d800-sample-images-low-light-high-iso-samples-photos/)

parang same lang noise handling nya sa d7000????
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 14, 2012, 02:17:43 PM
Scott Kelby's rationale on why he chose the D800 instead of the D800E.

http://scottkelby.com/2012/24632/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://scottkelby.com/2012/24632/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on February 14, 2012, 04:14:09 PM
D800 High iso test

[url]http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/02/09/nikon-d800-sample-images-low-light-high-iso-samples-photos/[/url] ([url]http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/02/09/nikon-d800-sample-images-low-light-high-iso-samples-photos/[/url])

parang same lang noise handling nya sa d7000????


Parang D7000 lang nga. I'm not an FX user but I heard that noise on FX behaves like film, less noise on the shadows contrary to the samples. Similar sa D7000 ang noise handling IMO.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: mikeD70s on February 14, 2012, 04:19:07 PM
Basta am sold with the D800... the problem would be is when will this camera arrive philippine shores...
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 14, 2012, 04:25:08 PM
Basta am sold with the D800... the problem would be is when will this camera arrive philippine shores...

Don't raise your hopes too high. Amazon orders in the U.S. are being told January 2013!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 14, 2012, 05:39:10 PM
Parang D7000 lang nga. I'm not an FX user but I heard that noise on FX behaves like film, less noise on the shadows contrary to the samples. Similar sa D7000 ang noise handling IMO.

I was hoping that they were going to allow us to use their camera and insert our own memory cards. However, during the event, the card doors were taped. I was planning on shooting at FX and DX mode at higher ISO to see how noise behave in DX mode. I was expecting it to equal the D700 at ISO 3200 and above; D7000 equivalent at full resolution.

I wonder how the noise reduction softwares such as noise ninja will behave when cleaning up the 74 mb files. I am assuming that it will yield in fewer loss in details due to its higher resolution.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 14, 2012, 09:33:33 PM
@gq
   what can you say about this statement ""The inherent file size can require some unusual treatment. The large capture can make the camera sensitive to vibration more than smaller cameras, requiring faster shutter speeds or a tripod. Even in the studio with flash, I used a tripod on shots done with a 200mm F/2 lens. "
 
     Tama ba analysis ko nito which is, Kung sa 12mp na camera ang pinaka slowest shutter speed which is 1/60th  na I can still have a steady shot at 60mm would require me na matutung mag shoot steadily at 1/120-1/240 just to be able to get a sharp pic at 60mm on a 36mp cam?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 14, 2012, 10:46:42 PM
@gq
   what can you say about this statement ""The inherent file size can require some unusual treatment. The large capture can make the camera sensitive to vibration more than smaller cameras, requiring faster shutter speeds or a tripod. Even in the studio with flash, I used a tripod on shots done with a 200mm F/2 lens. "
  
     Tama ba analysis ko nito which is, Kung sa 12mp na camera ang pinaka slowest shutter speed which is 1/60th  na I can still have a steady shot at 60mm would require me na matutung mag shoot steadily at 1/120-1/240 just to be able to get a sharp pic at 60mm on a 36mp cam?


Jun - I am not qualified to answer your inquiry since I have not shot with the D800 or a medium format camera. I can only direct your question to Jim Brandenburg who used the Nikon D800. Here is his website.

http://jimbrandenburg.blogspot.com/ (http://jimbrandenburg.blogspot.com/)

Here is his statement about his experience with the D800:

"To me, cameras are more like paintbrushes than technology. The goal is not megapixels or technique but the image, and while camera models are important, they are not the be-all or end-all. But after a lifetime using countless cameras, I have found a new best friend. It was not love at first sight. The sharpness and detail were initially intimidating, exposing my flaws like never before. Subtle camera movements showed, and differences of acuity between aperture choices on various lenses were apparent. But now I am enthralled with this technology. Why? Because the images almost feel as though they were made with a 4x5 view camera! Special features like time-lapse photography and the improved HD video quality and flexibility also add tremendously to the camera's personality. After spending a month with the D800, I'll never be the same again. I will now think differently about the images I make, and perhaps that is the best compliment any photographer can make. "

It took him at least one month to properly learn how to use the camera and have changed the way he shoot. I hope this helps.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 14, 2012, 10:54:33 PM
@gq
    thanks sa post,,,dengit may TAMING THE BEAST period nga.... mahirap tong mahilig ka sa kape need to start drinking more milk. One month siyag nag sanay,,,,ilang dekada kaya sa akin.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 14, 2012, 11:04:44 PM

@ Glenn & Jun,

Yang blog ni Jim Brandenburg reminds me of something I read noon:

But I will say this. A while ago T.S. Eliot was asked by an aspiring poet about "how he too could master the art of blank verse". To which Eliot replied (paraphrasing) "Blank verse was really really easy to do because anyone could write anything and call it blank verse, the key to mastering blank verse was to first learn rhyming poetry, and then figure out what was apt for blank verse."
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 14, 2012, 11:17:46 PM
Back to basics  ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 14, 2012, 11:31:18 PM
Here is another wedding photographer who was fortunate enough to use the D800. Why I know these people is simply because I have the D800 and D4 brochures which list all the photographers who used the D4 and D800 and contributed their pictures to the brochures.

http://www.cmphotography.com/blog.cfm (http://www.cmphotography.com/blog.cfm)

Scroll down to read more about the D800. Enjoy!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 14, 2012, 11:31:54 PM
I just hope this is not an over hype camera .I don't really believe what they are saying is 100 percent accurate.Perhaps these people are under Nikon's payroll. ;D ;D ;D
I was wondering why there is greater interest in the d800 after launch than the d4. The d3x was not so popular too.Is that because of the price? Is it because it is within the reach of the enthusiasts and Nikon is aggressively marketing it.The way the ambassadors talk makes me think that this is an ultimate camera for its time. Is it really true? I hope it is and I want to find out in the coming months.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 14, 2012, 11:44:52 PM
I just hope this is not an over hype camera .I don't really believe what they are saying is 100 percent accurate.Perhaps these people are under Nikon's payroll. ;D ;D ;D
I was wondering why there is greater interest in the d800 after launch than the d4. The d3x was not so popular too.Is that because of the price? Is it because it is within the reach of the enthusiasts and Nikon is aggressively marketing it.The way the ambassadors talk makes me think that this is an ultimate camera for its time. Is it really true? I hope it is and I want to find out in the coming months.


Doc - more discussions from Rob Van Petten. All of them are very impressed about the more responsive AF of the camera. He also displayed a hand-held shot using the D800 on his blog.

http://weblog.robvanpetten.com/archive/nikon-d800 (http://weblog.robvanpetten.com/archive/nikon-d800)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on February 15, 2012, 04:28:17 PM
The D800 is going to be available in the country within this month, but price is so high i shall not post it  :o :o :o

regular supplies will come on april but price shal be highly artificial, just like what is happening to the D7000  ::)

blockbuster talaga
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: iampoch on February 16, 2012, 08:12:51 AM
The D800 is going to be available in the country within this month, but price is so high i shall not post it  :o :o :o

regular supplies will come on april but price shal be highly artificial, just like what is happening to the D7000  ::)

blockbuster talaga

Personally, I'd rather wait 6 months to a year for the price to stabilize. I'm in no hurry naman :) But I'm curious as to how much the introductory price is ;)

I remember the same situation for the D7000. When it was released, it was around 60+k I got it around 6 mos after whe the price was around 50k. If I waited a couple of months, then I could've had it for 45k na lang sana :( Well, prices today went up the roof because of the Thailand thing but I'm sure all current and upcoming products won't have that problem.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on February 16, 2012, 08:18:09 AM
6 months? asa pa tayo.  :o :o :o

from the look of things, my bubwit told me that the price will be high till the end of the year and even later ::)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: iampoch on February 16, 2012, 08:20:56 AM
6 months? asa pa tayo.  :o :o :o

from the look of things, my bubwit told me that the price will be high till the end of the year and even later ::)

Aww :( So waiting game talaga muna for agood deal, then :) Sir, pa-pm naman ng introductory price, if only para manlumo ako enough to douse my soon-to-be-felt GAS :)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 16, 2012, 08:23:05 AM
On my part, I would be more interested on reading the flood of comments and questions that usually come with the cameras, especially this high resolution offering from Nikon.

Sample comments (probably... ;D):

"D800E sucks on video!"  
       - (duh! you picked the wrong version! you should have bought the D800 without an E but with an AA filter)

"How come my images are not sharp with my supersharp 85mm 1.4 on D800E?"
       - (put a kit lens 18-55 in there, shoot at f11-f16 and you'll get sharp pics.... or get the D800)

"Holy kamote! My HDR tiff file is 1GB!!! Should I shoot jpeg HDR instead of RAW?"
       - (eh, people still shoot HDR???)

hehehehehehe.... wala lang....  ;D ;D ;D
      
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: iampoch on February 16, 2012, 08:31:25 AM
On my part, I would be more interested on reading the flood of comments and questions that usually come with the cameras, especially this high resolution offering from Nikon.

Sample comments (probably... ;D):

"D800E sucks on video!"  
       - (duh! you picked the wrong version! you should have bought the D800 without an E but with an AA filter)

"How come my images are not sharp with my supersharp 85mm 1.4 on D800E?"
       - (put a kit lens 18-55 in there, shoot at f11-f16 and you'll get sharp pics.... or get the D800)

"Holy kamote! My HDR tiff file is 1GB!!! Should I shoot jpeg HDR instead of RAW?"
       - (eh, people still shoot HDR???)

hehehehehehe.... wala lang....  ;D ;D ;D
      

Hahaha oo nga :)

Nikon really went out of the norm on the D800. It's not a general-purpose FF DSLR, unlike its predecessor or even the D4. And at 36MP, the file size is such a killer :( RAW file sizes from my D7k are putting a dent on my file storage capacity fast, and the D800 would do a whole lot worse. I will really need another HDD specifically just for photos.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on February 16, 2012, 08:33:54 AM
i am actually more interested with the D800 than the D800E :o :o :o

sharpness is important to me, but handling is more important.

the only reason for me to get the D800 is the amazing FX video, other than that, i am very happy with the D700 and also the D7000. which made me think hard about upgrading. the price is gonna be high and artificial for a long time, so i guess that is one factor that will keep me away from the D800 for a long time.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 16, 2012, 08:41:16 AM
On my part, I would be more interested on reading the flood of comments and questions that usually come with the cameras, especially this high resolution offering from Nikon.

Sample comments (probably... ;D):

"D800E sucks on video!"  
       - (duh! you picked the wrong version! you should have bought the D800 without an E but with an AA filter)

"How come my images are not sharp with my supersharp 85mm 1.4 on D800E?"
       - (put a kit lens 18-55 in there, shoot at f11-f16 and you'll get sharp pics.... or get the D800)

"Holy kamote! My HDR tiff file is 1GB!!! Should I shoot jpeg HDR instead of RAW?"
       - (eh, people still shoot HDR???)

hehehehehehe.... wala lang....  ;D ;D ;D
      
I will wait and may buy at the height of the whinings(peevishness). Who knows someone who is so pissed off with the d800 will sell it at 75% off ;D ;D ;D . Personally, I will really hold on for a long long time.Besides we already have a mini-d800, the d7000. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 16, 2012, 08:48:34 AM


Right on target, Rico! I agree 110%! ;D

The D800 is a superduper FX video lalo na salpakan mo yun ng 50mm 1.2 and 24 1.4 Nikkors.

I think if you are used to handholding your shoots and you don't like using tripods - the D700 (small form) or the D3s (pro-body) are still the go-to Nikons.

The AA filter issue is a non-issue for me. Natuto rin ako in the end how to focus and shoot filterless cams and the gain in terms of sharpness is really not a big deal, for two reasons:

1) With an AA-filtered cam, medyo soft nga ang output pero as long as you are on-target with your focus, you can dial in your selective sharpening to create an illusion of being on target sa focus.... I see this often on lenses like Sigmas that have propensity for back or front focusing...

2) With filterless cam, either you are on target sa focus and stability or you are royally screwed.... parang yung kaso ng buntis.... either buntis or hindi buntis, hindi buntis-buntisan. Of course, if you get the focus and stability, the output beats the filtered cam royally din. So parang yung pelikula ni Clint Eastwood, "do you feel lucky, punk?"  ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 16, 2012, 08:53:44 AM
The D800 is going to be available in the country within this month, but price is so high i shall not post it  :o :o :o

regular supplies will come on april but price shal be highly artificial, just like what is happening to the D7000  ::)

blockbuster talaga


I don't think its going to be any worse than Japan.  Bic Camera advertised it at 298,000 yen or around $4,640. USD based on $1:75 yen conversion rate. Available date: 22Mar12.

http://www.biccamera.com/bicbic/jsp/w/catalog/detail.jsp?JAN_CODE=4960759128706 (http://www.biccamera.com/bicbic/jsp/w/catalog/detail.jsp?JAN_CODE=4960759128706)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on February 16, 2012, 09:02:10 AM
for general shooting, i shoot handheld. but i use a tripod when i need to(long exposure). so, yes. i shoot handheld most of the time.

36MP is amazing i am sure. but having one will not add to the images i produce  :o :o :o
however, it is good to have it than not having it when you would need it  ::)

the use of the AA filter is probably the same reason why some people a few years back would say that they get sharper results with film  ::) it is possible, but film shows ugly grains even at ASA 400  ::)

how about the CCD D70s cameras? do these cameras have AA filters as well? i was told that the D70s are great because of the lack of AA filter or a different filter was used. older CCD cameras are also favored for some other things.

having the D800 will make you future proof for a long time...if higher MP is indeed the future ::) i hope not, or at least, not so much in so short of a time.

i hate bic camera. i am always a yodobashi guy  ::) kasi maganda yun jingle nila.
the D800 price here is going to be MUCH higher than what bic is offering. will stabilize by april to a more manageable price but will still be grossly over-priced. this is what i was told by my sources/importers.

just like the D7000, it cannot be helped. too many people want the camera. by october, it is going to be cheaper hopefully.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 16, 2012, 09:07:33 AM

The AA filter issue is a non-issue for me. Natuto rin ako in the end how to focus and shoot filterless cams and the gain in terms of sharpness is really not a big deal, for two reasons:

1) With an AA-filtered cam, medyo soft nga ang output pero as long as you are on-target with your focus, you can dial in your selective sharpening to create an illusion of being on target sa focus.... I see this often on lenses like Sigmas that have propensity for back or front focusing...

2) With filterless cam, either you are on target sa focus and stability or you are royally screwed.... parang yung kaso ng buntis.... either buntis or hindi buntis, hindi buntis-buntisan. Of course, if you get the focus and stability, the output beats the filtered cam royally din. So parang yung pelikula ni Clint Eastwood, "do you feel lucky, punk?"  ;D



Thor - read Scott Kelby's reason why he chose the D800 instead of the D800E.

http://scottkelby.com/2012/24632/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://scottkelby.com/2012/24632/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: iampoch on February 16, 2012, 09:08:21 AM

Right on target, Rico! I agree 110%! ;D

The D800 is a superduper FX video lalo na salpakan mo yun ng 50mm 1.2 and 24 1.4 Nikkors.

I think if you are used to handholding your shoots and you don't like using tripods - the D700 (small form) or the D3s (pro-body) are still the go-to Nikons.

The AA filter issue is a non-issue for me. Natuto rin ako in the end how to focus and shoot filterless cams and the gain in terms of sharpness is really not a big deal, for two reasons:

1) With an AA-filtered cam, medyo soft nga ang output pero as long as you are on-target with your focus, you can dial in your selective sharpening to create an illusion of being on target sa focus.... I see this often on lenses like Sigmas that have propensity for back or front focusing...

2) With filterless cam, either you are on target sa focus and stability or you are royally screwed.... parang yung kaso ng buntis.... either buntis or hindi buntis, hindi buntis-buntisan. Of course, if you get the focus and stability, the output beats the filtered cam royally din. So parang yung pelikula ni Clint Eastwood, "do you feel lucky, punk?"  ;D

True, the D800 is meant to be used with a tripod. That high MP count really makes the new DSLR unwieldy, at least based on how we're used to handling DSLRs.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 16, 2012, 09:09:03 AM
I will wait and may buy at the height of the whinings(peevishness). Who knows someone who is so pissed off with the d800 will sell it at 75% off ;D ;D ;D . Personally, I will really hold on for a long long time.Besides we already have a mini-d800, the d7000. ;D ;D ;D

Doc - resist you must NOT!  ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on February 16, 2012, 09:19:07 AM
the D800 is like that gorgeous classmate that you had in college that you always dreamed of dating. she is out of your league, expensive to maintain, somebody that you do not really need and is very hard to please, but you know that you want her and you know that you can get her through effort  :o :o :o (she is very talented and makes you look good,too)

the D700 and the D7000 are 2 girlfriends that you already have and bring on different occasions, suiting your needs. they are great and they more than willing to fulfill what you have always needed or wanted and will still go on for a few more years to come. you may end up marrying one or both and be happy the rest of your life and not upgrade. they do not complain about each other, however, they compliment each other so well that you can bring both at the same time  ::)

which one will you choose?

had the same problem in college, went with the D800, and left her after many years when she starts to act up and simply being too much of a liability to maintain  :P

i guess that it is all about priorities...

let us not forget that having VR will help with taming the D800's "sensitivity" to movement in many ways. sure it is not proper technique, but proper technique plus the technology will always create better results than pratice or technology alone
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Alfalfameister on February 16, 2012, 09:28:54 AM
Hey, at least you went to bed with Ms. D800! Fancy a fling with Ms. D4?  ;) ... one night stand lang...
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on February 16, 2012, 09:34:38 AM
Ms. D4 is too big to carry around. amazing when it is dark,tho... :o :o :o
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 16, 2012, 10:16:20 AM
Ms. D4 is too big to carry around. amazing when it is dark,tho... :o :o :o

a couple of double D's are amazing in the dark, so true!

(Double entendre ba yan, Rico??? jajajajaja :D)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on February 16, 2012, 10:20:00 AM
dont remind me of my past adventures, it is polluting my thoughts with happy memories  ::)

the earliest full review of the D800 that we can get to read will probably be published around april.

i just want to see for myself how i can handle the 36.3MP  :o :o :o
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 16, 2012, 10:34:11 AM

Thor - read Scott Kelby's reason why he chose the D800 instead of the D800E.

[url]http://scottkelby.com/2012/24632/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter[/url] ([url]http://scottkelby.com/2012/24632/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter[/url])


Glenn, the way Scott Kelby shoots where he can fill up a memory card in one session, the D800 is a no-brainer for him. The more appropriate term really should be "digital artifacts", not moire. Scott calls it "moire", same banana when you see something weird on your image - it is a digitally-induced artifact.

Here is an example of a "moire" aka digital artifact on the right image shot by D800E on something very familiar to most us, a portrait session:

(http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d800/img/features01/img_23.jpg)

I removed moire on my images using LAB color mode on a separate layer on CS. The removing part is easy but when you have several layers of high resolution image, naknangbaka eh talagang exercise yun in self-mutilation!

But, I have to admit, I lean more towards getting an 800E. There is something about images shot with out the AA filter. Rico's comment about the D70s is on-target, it has a very weak, really weak AA filtration, kaya naman images shot with it using the 18-70 really stood out. People thought it was the 18-70, the real reason was muti-factorial, the weakly filtered D70/s, the sharp 18-70, and the malleable 6 megapixel capture.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: flxrms on February 16, 2012, 10:35:37 AM
@rico
buy it na... it will take a long time bago mag stabilize ang price...

ot:
i'm really not good shooting handheld... much more a 36 D800 ...kapos palad din kasi :D :D :D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on February 16, 2012, 11:54:41 AM
felix: tataya ako sa lotto(for real) mamaya or bukas. pagdasal mo na tumama ako this time ::)

as for the D70s, ganon pala yon  ::) i thought it was the CCD sensor...to be honest, i have been looking for a D70s for strobist use or maybe even for IR  ::) no excuse for not shooting on ugly and cloudy days ::)

many people are not happy with the FPS. for me, 4FPS is already fast!  :o :o :o

it uses the D7000 battery, so it will be an advantage to people who have that same battery.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 16, 2012, 12:11:58 PM
Doc - resist you must NOT!  ;D

I don't know how to shoot her(the d800)
What to do, how to click her
I've been changed, yes really changed
In these past few days
When I've seen myself
I seem like someone else

I don't know how to take this
I don't see why she moves me
She's a cam
She's just a cam
And I've had so many
Cam before
In very many ways
She's just one more

Should I bring her down
Should I scream and shout
Should I speak of love
Let my feelings out?
I never thought I'd come to this
What's it all about?

Don't you think it's rather funny
I should be in this position?
I'm the one
Who's always been
So calm so cool
No lover's fool
Running every show
She scares me so

I never thought I'd come to this
What's it all about?

Yet
If she said she loved me
I'd be lost
I'd be frightened
I couldn't cope( THE FILES and the PRICE)
Just couldn't cope
I'd turn my head
I'd back away
I wouldn't want to know
She scares me so
I want her so
I GAS her so

From the Lyrics of Jesus Christ Superstar...ha ha ha ha ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on February 16, 2012, 12:37:52 PM
wow, may effort  :o :o :o
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 17, 2012, 05:25:02 AM

ot:
i'm really not good shooting handheld... much more a 36 D800 ...kapos palad din kasi :D :D :D

Pano nalang tong pasmado kong kamay,,, kailangan bang naka salpak palagi ang D800 sa tripod kung medyo may mild parkinsonism na aheheehehe,
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 17, 2012, 10:41:13 PM

Heto, some test images with D800 by a French photographer based in Hong Kong

camera: D800
lens: Nikkor 85mm 1.4G
setting: natural light / tripod mounted

link: http://forum.xitek.com/forum-viewthread-tid-969280-extra-page=1-ordertype-2-t-1329013603.html (http://forum.xitek.com/forum-viewthread-tid-969280-extra-page=1-ordertype-2-t-1329013603.html)

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junji on February 18, 2012, 12:00:20 AM
Bakit kaya hanggang ngayun e wala pa ring 24-70 f/2.8 VR ang Nikkor? Dito sana sa D800 bagay na bagay yun to compensate for the high megapixel that may contribute blurriness.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 18, 2012, 12:11:35 AM
Bakit kaya hanggang ngayun e wala pa ring 24-70 f/2.8 VR ang Nikkor? Dito sana sa D800 bagay na bagay yun to compensate for the high megapixel that may contribute blurriness.


Tanong ko lang: I wonder how many Nikon shooters are familiar with how Nikon VR works?

The reason I asked is that if we look at other high end (for discussion's sake, say Leica and medium format offerings), wala silang VR. There is a reason for this - VR is a crutch. If you are a purist and seeks higher qualitative optical output, kitang-kita mo ang epekto ng VR sa images in terms of blurriness along micro contrast areas.

For D800 (or for that matter D7000, D3x, Sony NEX-7 etc), what you need is high shutter speed to freeze motion (operator-induced and subject-induced). For low shutter speeds, you really need a stable platform. In general, handheld at 1/125th or less for every photograph is blurred by motion of the camera (operator-motion, mirror-slap motion, etc) - the only question that remains is: how much?

Leicas or rangefinder in general, are not hampered by mirror slap so shooters can shoot at slower shutter speeds without dealing with mirror-slap blur. Medium format are heavy by design kaya kahit sa studios naka-mount sila sa tripod. If handheld ang medium format, sangdamakmak naman ang light na binabato sa subject.

For consumers, VR is a gift. For purists, VR is a compromise that they have to live with from time to time kung tinatamad sila getting the technique right.

For discussion's sake, heto yung VR design na inapply ng Nikon sa Japanese and US Patent Office. Makikita mo sa algorithm palang, VR will not give you sharper picture compared to a non-VR lens na properly shot:

(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6028/5935636401_5bde8229e0_o.jpg)

(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6025/5935620213_40db3fcb14_b.jpg)

(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6127/5936175878_fb549fd5d7_b.jpg)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 18, 2012, 01:07:34 AM
dagdag ko sa post ko above:

One way to overcome the blur induced by motion, low light low shutter speeds, and poor operator technique is increasing the ISO (light sensitivity of the sensor) so we can increase the shutter speed to match the resolution of the sensor. The main problem right now is the limited dynamic range of high ISO in the current sensors in the market. I define "limited" as not matching the dynamic range of the base ISO.

Someday, there will be an ISO-less sensor with the same dynamic range at all ISO settings. The light sensitivity of the sensor will match that of a bat. At that point, ISO will be utilized to control the speed without worrying about limited dynamic range. ;D

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junji on February 18, 2012, 01:10:17 AM
thanks for the info, ganun pala yun. medyo nahilo ko dun sa mga flowchart he he. iniisip ko kasi na baka makatulong at ma-maintain yung required rule of thumb shutter speed with respect to focal length when using VR. One of the reason din na naitanong ko although maybe not in this thread na ay meron na kasi Canon at sa tingin ko dapat na nauna si Nikkor dahil mas nauna silang mag produce ng lens. Hoping also that this effect the lowering of price of the current 24-70 which will benefit us shooters.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 18, 2012, 01:14:53 AM
thanks for the info, ganun pala yun. medyo nahilo ko dun sa mga flowchart he he. iniisip ko kasi na baka makatulong at ma-maintain yung required rule of thumb shutter speed with respect to focal length when using VR. One of the reason din na naitanong ko although maybe not in this thread na ay meron na kasi Canon at sa tingin ko dapat na nauna si Nikkor dahil mas nauna silang mag produce ng lens. Hoping also that this effect the lowering of price of the current 24-70 which will benefit us shooters.

Nahilo din ako noon when I first saw the algorithm.  ;D Ok naman ang VR as long as realistic ka sa output na hindi siya kasing talas nang non-VR lens properly shot. Also, at shutter speeds around 1/400-1/500, dapat bumitaw na sa VR at bahala na ang shooter. Meaning, use VR judiciously, kung kailangan mo lang talaga to get the shot (irregardless of the quality).
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junji on February 18, 2012, 01:27:48 AM
Quote
Someday, there will be an ISO-less sensor with the same dynamic range at all ISO settings. The light sensitivity of the sensor will match that of a bat. At that point, ISO will be utilized to control the speed without worrying about limited dynamic range.

Hindi naman kaya pag nangyari na to, e hindi na maging challenging ang photography. Para kasing lahat ng magiging kuha natin e maganda na, dahil hindi na masyadong kailangan ng skills. Talagang ang right framing and compositin na lang ang labanan he he.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 18, 2012, 03:03:56 AM
Hindi naman kaya pag nangyari na to, e hindi na maging challenging ang photography. Para kasing lahat ng magiging kuha natin e maganda na, dahil hindi na masyadong kailangan ng skills. Talagang ang right framing and compositin na lang ang labanan he he.

Mas challenging nga ang photography with more improvements sa equipment. Tingnan mo na lang ang D800 and recent experiences ng mga photographers na gumagamit na ng D800 for several months. They are the top caliber photographers. They knew their stuff technically and creatively. Lahat sila ang initial impression eh gumapang sila to learn how to use the D800 to be able to translate their creative vision pero nung na-figure out nila what they need to do, they gushed about the D800, as in it is the latest discovery since peanut butter.

One of the question na kailangan sagutin ng future D800 buyer/user is - "Will the D800 level up his photography?"

If he can not figure out what consists of the term "exposure" eh tagilid nga siya. The D800 won't really help and for that matter even the future "ISO-less sensor".
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 18, 2012, 03:54:14 AM
Thor,just a curious question. Before the d800, there were great high MP cameras  like the d3x, 1d with s designation and even the 5d 2. Of course the 36MP is quite new number with 35mm size. Why does the d800  generates a lot of interest among Nikon shooters?The d4 was not as intriguing as d800, I supposed.Is that because Nikon introduced an affordable high MP bodies, without going or buying a medium format bodies?

I downloaded the technical guide for the d800/E:
http://www.nikonusa.com/en_US/o/Y6wrkA9OU_z04IreazIXl_22UII/PDF/D800_TechnicalGuide_En.pdf (http://www.nikonusa.com/en_US/o/Y6wrkA9OU_z04IreazIXl_22UII/PDF/D800_TechnicalGuide_En.pdf)

The guide screams: Use tripod most of the time, mirror up, and use pro grade lenses....hmmmm parang it is a subtle way for Nikon to force us to buy those expensive lenses. ;D :D ;)
I am quite sure the d800 will expose my bad habits in taking photographs. :-[ :-[ :-[
If I am supposed to tame the camera but I think it is the other way around.The camera will tame my barbaric and wild ways of taking pictures...an irony? Perhaps.It depends on how you see it though.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: yourdone on February 18, 2012, 04:48:58 AM
Thor,just a curious question. Before the d800, there were great high MP cameras  like the d3x, 1d with s designation and even the 5d 2. Of course the 36MP is quite new number with 35mm size. Why does the d800  generates a lot of interest among Nikon shooters?The d4 was not as intriguing as d800, I supposed.Is that because Nikon introduced an affordable high MP bodies, without going or buying a medium format bodies?

I downloaded the technical guide for the d800/E:
[url]http://www.nikonusa.com/en_US/o/Y6wrkA9OU_z04IreazIXl_22UII/PDF/D800_TechnicalGuide_En.pdf[/url] ([url]http://www.nikonusa.com/en_US/o/Y6wrkA9OU_z04IreazIXl_22UII/PDF/D800_TechnicalGuide_En.pdf[/url])

The guide screams: Use tripod most of the time, mirror up, and use pro grade lenses....hmmmm parang it is a subtle way for Nikon to force us to buy those expensive lenses. ;D :D ;)
I am quite sure the d800 will expose my bad habits in taking photographs. :-[ :-[ :-[
If I am supposed to tame the camera but I think it is the other way around.The camera will tame my barbaric and wild ways of taking pictures...an irony? Perhaps.It depends on how you see it though.


Just finished reading it as well, addresses a lot of the concerns people have about it. In all honesty I felt intimidated after to the point I'm questioning if I can maximize this camera. It's a very serious camera that has the potential to elevate your skills to the next level or expose the areas one needs to improve upon.
Magmumura kay aang D3x to at or below the price ng D800? Mukhang mas forgiving yugn 24mp kaysa 36 e
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: MLG123 on February 18, 2012, 05:13:55 AM
Corners will be weak at certain aperture settings but I really should ask ... is anyone here using their D7000?   ;D 
Relax, no need to get uptight over something many of us already have experience shooting and taking good photos with.   ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 18, 2012, 05:17:29 AM
@ Doc, if the technique sucks, you don't want a pro-grade lens on the D800E, just stick the 18-55 VR on it... seriously.

@ Dan, the warning is for the consumer base of Nikon. Keep in mind that Nikon is still primarily a consumer oriented company. The professional line is subsidized by the consumer line. People do buy Nikon because of the reputation of the pro line and not the other way around.

The warning is funny for me: Can you imagine warning a Phase One user that if he shoots 1/60 he needs a tripod? He knows that already. Or a Leica M9 shooter being warned that he needs to have his Noctilux mounted on a tripod if light is not ideal? He'll just shrug and take the shot handheld. ;D ;D ;D

My take for today about the D800/800E:

I think yung mga nababasa natin is mostly the result of people excited with the new offering. The usual new kid on the block syndrome. Nikon is playing the field well. Nikon sent out cams to be used by photographers who are great at using the internet to spread the word, for example Scott Kelby. Moore's law also has a funny way of inciting feeding frenzy on the faithful and the fan boys.

This is good in one level naman. The consumers will not be the beta testers. Can you imagine discovering something after you paid for the darn thing na may problema pala sa umpisa pa lang? We see this often not only in electronics stuff pero also in other areas such as pharmaceuticals din.

Regarding comparing the D800/800E to medium format. Nikon probably saw this as something they can capitalize on. There are a lot of D3s shooters who want to print big but they are limited by the D3s sensor size. The D3x is not really an option because the D3s beats the D3x in terms of image quality.

Come to think of it, I think people would rather answer the question, "Why they want the D800?", an easier question to deal with. If you ask them to answer the question, "Why they do not want the D800?" mas malalim-lalim na pag-iisip yun siguro kasi it involves justifying their present rig. To make that stick, that involves knowing how well they know their equipment.





Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 18, 2012, 06:00:29 AM
Thor,just a curious question. Before the d800, there were great high MP cameras  like the d3x, 1d with s designation and even the 5d 2. Of course the 36MP is quite new number with 35mm size. Why does the d800  generates a lot of interest among Nikon shooters?The d4 was not as intriguing as d800, I supposed.Is that because Nikon introduced an affordable high MP bodies, without going or buying a medium format bodies?

I downloaded the technical guide for the d800/E:
[url]http://www.nikonusa.com/en_US/o/Y6wrkA9OU_z04IreazIXl_22UII/PDF/D800_TechnicalGuide_En.pdf[/url] ([url]http://www.nikonusa.com/en_US/o/Y6wrkA9OU_z04IreazIXl_22UII/PDF/D800_TechnicalGuide_En.pdf[/url])

The guide screams: Use tripod most of the time, mirror up, and use pro grade lenses....hmmmm parang it is a subtle way for Nikon to force us to buy those expensive lenses. ;D :D ;)
I am quite sure the d800 will expose my bad habits in taking photographs. :-[ :-[ :-[
If I am supposed to tame the camera but I think it is the other way around.The camera will tame my barbaric and wild ways of taking pictures...an irony? Perhaps.It depends on how you see it though.


This is my primary concern in upgrading to D800,,, yung mas recommended na gumamit ng tripod. Medyo mababawasan ata ang fun factor ng shooting on the go. Thats one reason why I got a modified IR camera para I can shoot more pictures than setting up the camera on a tripod everytime I shoot. You want razor sharp shot straight out of the cam,,,,, set in on a tripod. Landscape and long exposure ko lang to kalimitan ginagawa.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 18, 2012, 09:28:40 AM
Corners will be weak at certain aperture settings but I really should ask ... is anyone here using their D7000?   ;D 
Relax, no need to get uptight over something many of us already have experience shooting and taking good photos with.   ;D

Monty,

I like the way the discussions about D800/800E is trending here in phipho. Sa ibang sites, I read a lot about stuff that really (IMHO) are not grounded on the forum's base and skill level.

I view the buyers of D800 in several groups:

1) Consumer buyers who are more interested in getting productive with the camera with minimal effort on their part. Most of them do not bother to even open the manual and goes straight to using the cams as an expensive P&S.

2) Semi-pros who are transitioning into being able to use their cams for professional purposes.

3) Pros who rely on their equipments to put food on the table.

4) Gadget/techie hobbyists who have disposable income that they can spend to sustain their curiosity.

These groups have different end points for their output. Iba-iba ang goals nila so their views and philosophies about their equipments eh iba-iba rin. The pros might demand 110% performance from their cameras. Some of those who buy tech equipments for curiosity and to pass time might be more demanding on their equipments because they are tuned in to what's going on the other side (say, Canon vs Nikon groupies).

What I like on this thread is most of us are interested in how we can integrate the D800 to suit our level skills. I don't think posters are disconcerted at all on what they read dito sa thread na'to.

Lastly, I belong to the camp that Nikon has enough fan base to read about the good stuff. A little bit of negativity and criticism is healthy for Nikon. The funny part is that there are certain Nikon guys that should have been given the D800 to pre-test the D800 pero Nikon is still witholding it from them for fear that negative stuff might result from their testing. The ironic thing is that in the end, the very same guys are actually the ones that are helpful to Nikon in terms of improving their stuff.

 
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 18, 2012, 09:38:50 AM
This is my primary concern in upgrading to D800,,, yung mas recommended na gumamit ng tripod. Medyo mababawasan ata ang fun factor ng shooting on the go. Thats one reason why I got a modified IR camera para I can shoot more pictures than setting up the camera on a tripod everytime I shoot. You want razor sharp shot straight out of the cam,,,,, set in on a tripod. Landscape and long exposure ko lang to kalimitan ginagawa.


Jun, sharpness is over-rated. In the end, what you want is to get the shot you intended to shoot. The heck with sharpness, dynamic range, clean iso, at iba pang ek-ek about technical stuff. Once you the nail shot, enjoy the big fat smile while looking at the captured image. I think you'll enjoy the D800 without tripod.

From my D7000 16-megapixel cam, handheld, no tripod, no VR, no AF... they all printed great (in my subjective eyes), btw:

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5021/5621458491_d47ab63789_b.jpg)

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5182/5621430893_018a7617f6_b.jpg)

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5270/5621525145_1681c4e8c6_b.jpg)

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5070/5611919841_a3816996aa_b.jpg)

and a 2-second exposure with the D7000 braced against middle island of Ayala Avenue:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7161/6812798811_fefcf8f64f_b.jpg)



Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 18, 2012, 09:46:28 AM
Thor, I will fit in somewhere in # 1 and #4
While I  can take my time when taking my photographs,use my tripod, do MU,etc. since using my MF lenses rewired me to film discipline during my golden times, my concern are not my creative needs. I know the discipline coz I've been there. So the only thing that I want to find out  is if I can use this cam for my mandatory sidelines....not for profit. Like during my children, relatives and friends occasions,wherein they are also expecting something good after taking their photos before. Some situations makes tripod difficult or impossible...The pressing question is, can I shoot this easily without a tripod and still get acceptable results? Not critical just acceptable. I don't like to always carry 2 camera bodies with me.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 18, 2012, 09:53:01 AM
Thor, I will fit in somewhere in # 1 and #4
While I  can take my time when taking my photographs,use my tripod, do MU,etc. since using my MF lenses rewired me to film discipline during my golden times, my concern are not my creative needs. I know the discipline coz I've been there. So the only thing that I want to find out  is if I can use this cam for my mandatory sidelines....not for profit. Like during my children, relatives and friends occasions,wherein they are also expecting something good after taking their photos before. Some situations makes tripod difficult or impossible...The pressing question is, can I shoot this easily without a tripod and still get acceptable results? Not critical just acceptable. I don't like to always carry 2 camera bodies with me.

Doc, of course....handheld and when push comes to shove, a monopod with quick release plates + VR-equipped lens for speeds as low as 1/20.

That is something I noticed pagnandiyan ako sa Pinas. I rarely see photogs using monopods even when they are carrying the big guns in not-so-ideal lighting situations. I remember joining a photowalk sa Nayong Pilipino and ako lang naka-monopod eh makulimlim ang panahon and I was metering the lighting at speeds of 1/100 - 1/200 @ f/2.8 dahil makulimlim talaga.

I always carry a monopod with me and I turn on the VR with monopod. I don't use it all time pero if I think I need it, it comes out without any hesitation.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Beowulf on February 18, 2012, 10:27:10 AM
@Thor,


Nice tip with the monopod; good thing I got a tripod convertible to monopod.


@Retina,


My transition from 8MP SLR to 18MP SLR showed the faults with my technique and my lenses.
I then tried my best to solve the faults with my technique (as I could not do the same with my lenses)
I would say I improved. (until the time that the 18MP and I had to part ways.... I'm now back to 0 with
a 12MP)

What scares me now is the 36MP :)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: coffee_rolla on February 18, 2012, 12:48:29 PM
Been reading the thread daily. I really like the discussion here bros. I'm one of the ones stumped on why the bigger sensor needs steadier hands, faster shutter speeds and better lenses compared to their smaller DX brothers.

Thom Hogan was saying this for quite sometime now but he never really said why in the most understandable terms... till yesterday

His latest entry at bythom.com says:

Anyone opting for a D800 who wants it to achieve the image quality it's capable of needs to:

    Use good shot discipline.
    Retire the inexpensive lenses they own that aren't up to the job.
    Understand where diffraction begins to steal back acuity.
    Learn how to focus accurately.

A D7000 isn't exactly a D800. Some people think that the pixel density is the primary factor requiring tight discipline and because those cameras are the same, shot discipline needs to be the same. Consider this: a 16mm lens on D7000 puts ~5000 pixels across 74 degrees, while a 24mm lens on a D800 puts ~7000 pixels across the same angle. Put another way, 1° of motion is 68 pixels on the D7000, 94 pixels on the D800. 1° on a D2h was just 33 pixels and 41 pixels on a D70, You've got to handle a D800 cleaner than a D7000 folks. At least if you're going to pixel peep to see how good the results


Now I understand. I especially like his explanation on degree of movement plus pixel density. Kaya pala. More resolution and the larger pixel real estate is now more sensitive to movement and it makes any motion more obvious now than before. :)


Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: DennisP on February 18, 2012, 01:35:29 PM
Looks like this camera isn't for the average/ advanced enthusiast, but more for the semi-pros....
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 18, 2012, 02:13:33 PM
Pumitik lang bigla gray matter ko. Instead of selling my d700 and add mga P60k  for a d800  keep ko nalang d700 ko Nd wait for the d7100 or d400 kung may lalabas man and dun ko nalang gagamitin ang P60k........... That way I have the best  of both worlds,,,,,,, now need ko nang tumaya ng lotto ng may pang 60k tayo.  Di kakayanin ng pasmado kong kamay ang 36mp
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: MLG123 on February 18, 2012, 02:17:12 PM
Been reading the thread daily. I really like the discussion here bros. I'm one of the ones stumped on why the bigger sensor needs steadier hands, faster shutter speeds and better lenses compared to their smaller DX brothers.

Thom Hogan was saying this for quite sometime now but he never really said why in the most understandable terms... till yesterday

His latest entry at bythom.com says:

Anyone opting for a D800 who wants it to achieve the image quality it's capable of needs to:

    Use good shot discipline.
    Retire the inexpensive lenses they own that aren't up to the job.
    Understand where diffraction begins to steal back acuity.
    Learn how to focus accurately.

A D7000 isn't exactly a D800. Some people think that the pixel density is the primary factor requiring tight discipline and because those cameras are the same, shot discipline needs to be the same. Consider this: a 16mm lens on D7000 puts ~5000 pixels across 74 degrees, while a 24mm lens on a D800 puts ~7000 pixels across the same angle. Put another way, 1° of motion is 68 pixels on the D7000, 94 pixels on the D800. 1° on a D2h was just 33 pixels and 41 pixels on a D70, You've got to handle a D800 cleaner than a D7000 folks. At least if you're going to pixel peep to see how good the results


Now I understand. I especially like his explanation on degree of movement plus pixel density. Kaya pala. More resolution and the larger pixel real estate is now more sensitive to movement and it makes any motion more obvious now than before. :)

Re Thom's comment, there is indeed likely to be greater movement on the sides and corners of the FX sensor than in a DX sensor when shooting the camera handheld because the FX sensor is wider than a DX sensor but it has always been like this when shooting FX vs DX.  The same is true with lenses where the FX lenses on an FX sensor would now be marginal at the sides and at the corner compared to the same FX lens on a DX sensor which uses mainly the center sweet spot of the FX lens.

Sensor pixel density actually plays a role.  In the 12mp D3/D700 vs the 12mp D300, the FX sensor has always had a lower pixel-density vs the DX sensor.  What has changed is that with the D800, the FX sensor now has the same pixel density as the D7000 DX sensor where previously, the FX sensor has always had a lower pixel density.  The impact of a higher pixel density of the FX sensor compared to the previous pixel density of the older FX sensor is not significant when shooting with a tripod but could become so when shooting handheld when the shutter speed used is in the borderline.  Outside the dangerous or borderline shutter speed, the D800 will pretty much handle like our other cameras which has ALWAYS demanded the right technique to get the most from it.  A photographer using the correct technique can relax as it is pretty much the same story for him.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 18, 2012, 02:18:05 PM
Pahabol lang nung lumabas na ang  mga specs ng d7000 and sample pics ang daming gustong mag upgrade na walang pagduda..... Dito lang ata sa d800 ang daming alanganin if they will be making a right desisyon na bilhin to. May pagkukulang ba ang nikon dito?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: MLG123 on February 18, 2012, 02:26:14 PM
Pahabol lang nung lumabas na ang  mga specs ng d7000 and sample pics ang daming gustong mag upgrade na walang pagduda..... Dito lang ata sa d800 ang daming alanganin if they will be making a right desisyon na bilhin to. May pagkukulang ba ang nikon dito?

Sangayon ako sa iyo tungkol sa D700.  Maganda talaga ang camera na ito kahit na ihambing mo ito sa mga bagong camera.

Pero sa tanong mo ukoy sa D800, kung hindi maganda ang kuha, ang camera ba ang may pagkukulang o ang photographer?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 18, 2012, 02:49:33 PM
Kung hindi maganda ang kuha, ang camera ba ang may pagkukulang o ang photographer?
Basta di lang sira yong camera mo at lens, palagi ang users ang nagkukulang. ;D ;D ;D

Palagay ko di yan ang ibig sabihin ni Jun.Ano yong ibig sabihin ng pagkukulang ng Nikon?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 18, 2012, 02:55:30 PM
Ginawa ng Nikon ay nageducation campaign muna sila before releasing the 36mp beast. Kasi baka maulit na naman yong  complaints ng mga blurry images.Yong side effects naman sa mga ordinary users na tulad ko ay, pagdududa sa kakayanan o kahalagahan ng 36MP  para sa ordinaring Juan hobbyist na tulad ko.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: coffee_rolla on February 18, 2012, 03:06:53 PM
I think we can align our thinking regarding the challenges posed by the D800--- The idea of taming a beast has it's attractions as well. :)

After a few weeks or so, I think most users will get into a groove hand holding a D800 along with the breathing and bracing techniques. I do see some pro photographers using more sensitive MF bodies handheld from time to time in youtube videos so I think it's possible as long as most users follow the recommended ways.

But ofcourse, nothing beats a monopod / tripod plus a wireless trigger for pixel peeping sharpness. :)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 18, 2012, 03:30:22 PM

After a few weeks or so, I think most users will get into a groove hand holding a D800 along with the breathing and bracing techniques.

During the film days highly emphasize yan. Sayang kasi pag pumaltos yong isa mong shot. Nothing changed naman kahit ngayon pero there is a breakdown in discipline kasi , meron tayong mind set na madali ko naman madelete, digital naman.
I came to compare the photographer to a violin player. In order for the violin player to produce great sound they hold their violin properly including right movement and positioning of vow,along with good posture and breathing technique. I really admire the discipline that the violinist are going into.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 18, 2012, 08:58:15 PM
Ginawa ng Nikon ay nageducation campaign muna sila before releasing the 36mp beast. Kasi baka maulit na naman yong  complaints ng mga blurry images.Yong side effects naman sa mga ordinary users na tulad ko ay, pagdududa sa kakayanan o kahalagahan ng 36MP  para sa ordinaring Juan hobbyist na tulad ko.

Doc- remember the days when I used to shoot F18s? You can pretty much stop any motion above 1/1000. During day time with good light, I suspect that the camera will be more forgiving if you are using above 1/1000 which acts similar to a tripod or VR even if you have shaky hands. But we will soon find out once you have your own copy of the D800E!  ;D

For macro photograpy or when shooting with less than ideal lighting, I would then break-out the tripod and use the best shooting techniques that were already mentioned.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 18, 2012, 09:03:13 PM
Pero sa tanong mo ukoy sa D800, kung hindi maganda ang kuha, ang camera ba ang may pagkukulang o ang photographer?

In my case kapag panget ang kuha ko, ako ang may diperensiya!  But I usually learn from my mistakes to improve my skills or lack of.

People here always say that it is always the indian not the pana, and I agree.  Ang sa akin lang, it is also good to have a nice pana to use.  ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 18, 2012, 09:18:09 PM
Thor, I will fit in somewhere in # 1 and #4


+1 here Thor.  I don't see myself shooting to earn some cash as a side job. It takes the fun out of photography. I don't need any pressure or stress.

Here is a post from one of the prospective owner of the D800 based on his experience with his current or previous cameras.


1. Native ISO 100. Missed native ISO 100 ever since my D200 was shelved. This extra low step is WAY more important (to me) than ISO 6400 and above. In 2-1/2 years of D700 ownership I have been forced to shoot ISO 3200 only rarely (night markets, night street scenes) and never ISO 6400 or above. No need for higher ISO, that is why I have f/1.4 and f/2.0 primes.

2. The 36.3 MP FX mode means I can finally print at 16” by 24” at full native 300PPI. My 4 year old Epson 3800 has finally met a camera body that is its match.

3. The 5.4 aspect ratio at 30MP. Perfect for portraits in vertical orientation. 90% of my portraits shots are vertical, this is big, as it will eliminate a lot of cropping work. I envision using this mode for almost all my portrait work.

4. The 1.5 DX crop mode at 15.3 MP. The D800 has a built in D7000!! But in a full size body, without all those annoying dial scene modes, and with the necessary function buttons needed on the body, not buried in a menu. (sorry D7000 users). Will use this mode for air shows, wildlife shoots and surfers. For me 5 FPS is just fine.

5. 100% viewfinder. Yeah.

6. Low light -2.0 UV for autofocus. HUGE for me, as I like dramatic low light shots and this will help alleviate the hunting I put my 50/1.4G, 85/f1.4D, 105/f.2DC and 135/f2DC through.

7. Auto face detection with auto focus. Awesome! Very excited about this, only hope is actually works as advertised. Huge time saver in not having to move the focus point around the 51 points as much.

8. F/8 auto focus. My 300f/4AFS and TC-17E can finally work together with autofocus. Yeah.

9. Dual card slots. Guess I have the only mid grade Nikon bodies without this feature (D100, 200, 300 and 700). OK, not 2 CF cards, but at least the SD is not the unknown format the D4 uses. My Macbook Pros have SD card readers built in, so I will use this feature when in the field. Plan to store Jpeg’s and movie files on SD, NEF’s will go on the CF cards.

10. Movie mode. I was looking to get into DSLR filming for some shoots; this saved me from buying a D300s!

Of course, there are other features that were not described or mentioned here that caught the interest of the medium format crowd and even some of the Canon and Sony users.

Source: http://www.nikoncafe.com/vforums/showthread.php?t=327490 (http://www.nikoncafe.com/vforums/showthread.php?t=327490)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: lehboy on February 18, 2012, 09:42:26 PM
As a Canon user, I really envy the new D800, actually even the D700 I also really like but am heavily invested with Canon lenses already so it's hard to make the switch.

Hopefully Canon will also have a worth successor to the 5DII.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 18, 2012, 09:50:16 PM
As a Canon user, I really envy the new D800, actually even the D700 I also really like but am heavily invested with Canon lenses already so it's hard to make the switch.

Hopefully Canon will also have a worth successor to the 5DII.
Camera envy makes the grass greener on the other side.Actually, the feeling is the same. Nikon users or other brands look your side greener too. So just stay there and wait for Canon to roll out the new models. That time we will feel what you are feeling now. ;)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: yourdone on February 18, 2012, 10:54:56 PM
Napagmunimuni  nako sa technical document ng D800/D800E, the more I think about it the more I believe Nikon wants to show people what the camera is capable of.
Nikon is saying the D800/E is a serious piece of kit since it "encroaches" onto Medium Format with it's MP count and with the D800E tackling a similar no AA filter approach.
If you're not getting the superb results this camera is capable of, don't blame the kit. There's something wrong, but it's not with the camera.
The D800/E is a serious camera for serious users. So now Nikon presents a challenge to would be D800/E users, are your skills as a photographer up to par to use this tool to take your photography to a higher level at a not so high price?

If you were able to pay the 3000USD cost of entry into the D800, then logically you should have the fat legged CF tripods with the 20+kg heads, paid the tuition to join the reputable workshops (tulad ng Chasing Light kung saan tinuro yugn karamihan sa technique nung unang pages ng technical document) and have the pro class optics.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 18, 2012, 11:23:24 PM
" the pro glass optics"......  harmonious living kaya ang siggy 85 f1.4 with the d800e? Sana naman.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 18, 2012, 11:31:45 PM
Napagmunimuni  nako sa technical document ng D800/D800E, the more I think about it the more I believe Nikon wants to show people what the camera is capable of.
Nikon is saying the D800/E is a serious piece of kit since it "encroaches" onto Medium Format with it's MP count and with the D800E tackling a similar no AA filter approach.
If you're not getting the superb results this camera is capable of, don't blame the kit. There's something wrong, but it's not with the camera.
The D800/E is a serious camera for serious users. So now Nikon presents a challenge to would be D800/E users, are your skills as a photographer up to par to use this tool to take your photography to a higher level at a not so high price?

If you were able to pay the 3000USD cost of entry into the D800, then logically you should have the fat legged CF tripods with the 20+kg heads, paid the tuition to join the reputable workshops (tulad ng Chasing Light kung saan tinuro yugn karamihan sa technique nung unang pages ng technical document) and have the pro class optics.

Exactly! Ganyan din ang pananaw ko about this whole thing.

Let me reinforce yung workshop suggestion mo, Dan. It is ironic that people spend so much money sa mga borloloy like straps, grips, bags, and other branded stuff that they affix on their gear and yet when it comes to spending money for workshops like Chasing Light (landscapes), portraiture with flash workshops, post-processing, and printing workshops - money suddenly becomes tight. Bang for buck, workshops pay more dividend than the borloloys na kinakabit natin sa gear natin. That UV filter + other stuff add up and when you look back a year later, that would have been enough to pay for a workshop.

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 18, 2012, 11:39:15 PM
" the pro glass optics"......  harmonious living kaya ang siggy 85 f1.4 with the d800e? Sana naman.

Siggy? hehehehe dasal ka, Jun na hindi binago ng Nikon ang firmware sa AF coupling between lens and AF mechanism. Usually kasi pagbagong model eh kailangan din revise ng Nikon yung AF firmware. If that happens eh ginagawa ng Sigma ni-re-reverse engineer nila yung software then they recalibrate yung Sigma lens.

The image quality (color/contrast/sharpness) should still be intact pero yung AF ang bantayan mo kasi yung magkaroon ka bigla ng back/front focusing maapektohan din yung image quality ng lente mo. The funniest part for me is reading comments from Siggy owners like, "tack sharp!" "talas!!!" then I look at the image... yep, yep, sharp nga at the wrong places naman!

P.S.
( Siggy owners, I am a Siggy owner too... Sigma 20mm 1.8 kaya tabla lang! hahaha)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 18, 2012, 11:47:49 PM
Let us go back to the future na lang: MF lenses!!!With the wide VF of the d800/E, it is not that hard to MF.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 18, 2012, 11:49:58 PM
Exactly! Ganyan din ang pananaw ko about this whole thing.

Let me reinforce yung workshop suggestion mo, Dan. It is ironic that people spend so much money sa mga borloloy like straps, grips, bags, and other branded stuff that they affix on their gear and yet when it comes to spending money for workshops like Chasing Light (landscapes), portraiture with flash workshops, post-processing, and printing workshops - money suddenly becomes tight. Bang for buck, workshops pay more dividend than the borloloys na kinakabit natin sa gear natin. That UV filter + other stuff add up and when you look back a year later, that would have been enough to pay for a workshop.

I frequently visit the Adorama website and they usually offer a lot of specialized photography courses pero puro NY based. Wala naman akong access dito sa Japan dahil hindi kami nagkaka intindihan sa salita so I resort to self-education, tutorial, trial an error, or just ask questions to learn more about the craft.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 18, 2012, 11:51:47 PM
Siggy? hehehehe dasal ka, Jun na hindi binago ng Nikon ang firmware sa AF coupling between lens and AF mechanism. Usually kasi pagbagong model eh kailangan din revise ng Nikon yung AF firmware. If that happens eh ginagawa ng Sigma ni-re-reverse engineer nila yung software then they recalibrate yung Sigma lens.

If this happens, I'll sell my Sigma 85mm f1.4 and get the Nikon 85mm f1.8G instead.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: birdnipil on February 18, 2012, 11:53:08 PM
4. The 1.5 DX crop mode at 15.3 MP. The D800 has a built in D7000!! But in a full size body, without all those annoying dial scene modes, and with the necessary function buttons needed on the body, not buried in a menu. (sorry D7000 users). Will use this mode for air shows, wildlife shoots and surfers. For me 5 FPS is just fine.


Amen on this one! :o
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 19, 2012, 12:05:25 AM
If this happens, I'll sell my Sigma 85mm f1.4 and get the Nikon 85mm f1.8G instead.

Glenn, one of my funny Sigma experience is when my daughter took a Photography course sa NYU, binilhan ko siya ng D40 saka Sigma 18-200mm HSM OS thinking na good match sa kanya yun. A week later umuwi galit na galit sa akin at kung pwede lang niya ibato yung Sigma 18-200 sa akin eh ibinato na niya! hahahahaha Tawa ako ng tawa kasi newbie talaga yun na-figure niya kaagad na iba yung dilaw ng Sigma saka it focuses well except doon sa focus point na gusto niya. Pinalitan ko ng Nikkor 18-70, yun I never heard any complaints from her again.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 19, 2012, 12:22:10 AM
I frequently visit the Adorama website and they usually offer a lot of specialized photography courses pero puro NY based. Wala naman akong access dito sa Japan dahil hindi kami nagkaka intindihan sa salita so I resort to self-education, tutorial, trial an error, or just ask questions to learn more about the craft.

10 minutes away lang ako sa Adorama pero kahit isang course hindi ako maka-attend kasi gipit talaga sa schedule saka jingle lang pahinga sa trabaho. Ganyan din ang diskarte ko, self-tutorial + asking questions + keep shooting.

Forums like this one is great. I do watch out though for the phenomenon of "group think". Forums are easily malleable na maging "technically oriented photography" lang siya. DPReview is an example. In the end, you come out with an impression na yung gear is the ultimate expression of photography sa mga forums na technically oriented.

Ganito yun, I always take a step back and view photography into several modes:

1) Expressive photography - where we capture what we feel about the subject. It might be a technically poor capture (e.g. high iso noise, poorly focused image, motion-blurred image) pero we manage to capture the essence of the scene.

2) Contemplative photography - where we spend time circling the subject and captured the scene with something  to say about the subject.

3) Technical photography - where we showcase our tool's prowess (camera + lens) to capture the scene disregarding what we think and feel about the subject. The image is a technical tour-de-force but it is devoid of any expressive or contemplative stuff that evokes a viewer reaction.

The sad part is most forums belong to the 3rd group. Group think is a powerful modifier of how we view things. Parang yung "Stockholm Syndrome" where ultimately the kidnapped feels sympathy for the kidnapper. Kaya yan ang binabantayan ko na hindi ako mahawa sa Stockholm Syndrome na iisa ang pananaw sa forum.

Our images should be the summation of all three and the most important part is the person taking the shot and not the gear. The D800/800E is no different from the lowly D40 - its just a tool to express what we think and feel of our subject.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: yourdone on February 19, 2012, 01:24:33 AM
Nagwiwindow shopping online nako for a new set of CF cards in anticipation of 74.4mb raws, was thinking of getting the Transcend 400x 32GB at 67usd/per. Mukha kasi pina ok in terms of price, speed and size. Ang bad feedback so far from 7D users naman, wala naman from Nikon users.

Di ako magvivideo (GH2), pero I will most likely use 14bit uncompressed NEF's thus the 74.4mb file size. Masyado bang delikado mag 32GB, 16GB muna? Too many eggs in one basket?
Ok naman ata reputation ng Transcend kasi yung mga fake na Sandisk transcend ang loob di ba?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 19, 2012, 07:18:14 AM
10 minutes away lang ako sa Adorama pero kahit isang course hindi ako maka-attend kasi gipit talaga sa schedule saka jingle lang pahinga sa trabaho. Ganyan din ang diskarte ko, self-tutorial + asking questions + keep shooting.

Forums like this one is great. I do watch out though for the phenomenon of "group think". Forums are easily malleable na maging "technically oriented photography" lang siya. DPReview is an example. In the end, you come out with an impression na yung gear is the ultimate expression of photography sa mga forums na technically oriented.

Ganito yun, I always take a step back and view photography into several modes:

1) Expressive photography - where we capture what we feel about the subject. It might be a technically poor capture (e.g. high iso noise, poorly focused image, motion-blurred image) pero we manage to capture the essence of the scene.

2) Contemplative photography - where we spend time circling the subject and captured the scene with something  to say about the subject.

3) Technical photography - where we showcase our tool's prowess (camera + lens) to capture the scene disregarding what we think and feel about the subject. The image is a technical tour-de-force but it is devoid of any expressive or contemplative stuff that evokes a viewer reaction.

The sad part is most forums belong to the 3rd group. Group think is a powerful modifier of how we view things. Parang yung "Stockholm Syndrome" where ultimately the kidnapped feels sympathy for the kidnapper. Kaya yan ang binabantayan ko na hindi ako mahawa sa Stockholm Syndrome na iisa ang pananaw sa forum.

Our images should be the summation of all three and the most important part is the person taking the shot and not the gear. The D800/800E is no different from the lowly D40 - its just a tool to express what we think and feel of our subject.
Sometimes it is funny that we apply medicine in Photography.
Group think also known as herd psychology,herding instinct ,group behavior,or crowd psychology. There is something that applies to vaccine as herd immunity....ahhh that's OT but can malign forums like we have.
Anyway, like some of you. I don't have the opportunity to go to a formal photo class. So I just buy training DVDs, books and ask questions around. Still, I am planning to attend to some of photography classes in the future . However,the lack of training does not hinder me from enjoying photography although I still remain a newbie and desires training.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 19, 2012, 11:24:56 AM
Nagwiwindow shopping online nako for a new set of CF cards in anticipation of 74.4mb raws, was thinking of getting the Transcend 400x 32GB at 67usd/per. Mukha kasi pina ok in terms of price, speed and size. Ang bad feedback so far from 7D users naman, wala naman from Nikon users.

The only cards that I now use are the SanDisk and Lexar. A 32 or 64 gb should be sufficient for a days worth on average without shooting HD video.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: yourdone on February 19, 2012, 05:34:51 PM
The only cards that I now use are the SanDisk and Lexar. A 32 or 64 gb should be sufficient for a days worth on average without shooting HD video.

I must confess I've not used Transcend cards as well but I currently have disdain for Sandisk for spamming my email about the software recovery pro. The equivalent Sandisk 32GB model is at 125USD, meaning I can still have redundancy by writing to both CF+SD on the D800 on 32GB cards and still pay less than 1 32GB Sandisk. I was thinking more on the lines of writing to both a 32GB Transcend 400x CF and a Sandisk Ultra (20mbps) 32GB SDHC , w/c have a combined cost of $69.99+34.99. I've had similar success on writing to both CF+SD cards as well on my D300s, though my 2 year old Sandisk Extreme 8GB's have never failed in terms of corrupted data or lost data at all.
Wacha think guys? Make the most of the double card slots via redundancy? Especially since I don't intend to stress the buffer anyways?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 19, 2012, 09:15:21 PM
I must confess I've not used Transcend cards as well but I currently have disdain for Sandisk for spamming my email about the software recovery pro. The equivalent Sandisk 32GB model is at 125USD, meaning I can still have redundancy by writing to both CF+SD on the D800 on 32GB cards and still pay less than 1 32GB Sandisk. I was thinking more on the lines of writing to both a 32GB Transcend 400x CF and a Sandisk Ultra (20mbps) 32GB SDHC , w/c have a combined cost of $69.99+34.99. I've had similar success on writing to both CF+SD cards as well on my D300s, though my 2 year old Sandisk Extreme 8GB's have never failed in terms of corrupted data or lost data at all.
Wacha think guys? Make the most of the double card slots via redundancy? Especially since I don't intend to stress the buffer anyways?

Your plan sounds about right. The prices on the bigger GB CFs will surely come down by next year. The other thing you can do is buy a CF-SD adapter and if you have old SDs you can also use it with the CF-SD adapter for those test shots and casual photoshoots.

I never had a bad experience with Transcend (about 4 CFs of 8GB) for my D200/D100 IR. The Sandisk is a different story. My problem with Sandisk is getting the right memory reader for it. On my D1x, the Sandisk is only good for about 2-3 uses and then I would get the "error" message - that was a long time ago though but the bad experience lingered. However, even as late as last year I still have problems with Sandisk CF where the I have problems aligning the card with my readers (I have several).

The memory cards I rely on are the PNY and Lexar makes (same company) and the cards are reliable and *toink*-proof when it comes to aligning them with a memory card reader. I use them also as my portable HDD for storage of RAW files I did not want to delete for archival purposes.

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: yourdone on February 19, 2012, 10:20:07 PM
Your plan sounds about right. The prices on the bigger GB CFs will surely come down by next year. The other thing you can do is buy a CF-SD adapter and if you have old SDs you can also use it with the CF-SD adapter for those test shots and casual photoshoots.

I never had a bad experience with Transcend (about 4 CFs of 8GB) for my D200/D100 IR. The Sandisk is a different story. My problem with Sandisk is getting the right memory reader for it. On my D1x, the Sandisk is only good for about 2-3 uses and then I would get the "error" message - that was a long time ago though but the bad experience lingered. However, even as late as last year I still have problems with Sandisk CF where the I have problems aligning the card with my readers (I have several).

The memory cards I rely on are the PNY and Lexar makes (same company) and the cards are reliable and *toink*-proof when it comes to aligning them with a memory card reader. I use them also as my portable HDD for storage of RAW files I did not want to delete for archival purposes.



Thanks for the info about PNY and Lexar, I've been seeing some pretty good prices on certain PNY cards and I've no problem with my Lexar 133 SD's yet so I met get those PNY's since they are cheaper but will most likely have the same performance as those Ultra's. What draws me about those 400x Transcend are those 90mbps read speeds (i guess the 60mbps write could also come handy) which should be helpful when importing files onto my workstation. I noticed the other 600x cards have 60mbps write and read speeds.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junji on February 20, 2012, 10:51:40 PM
A short story shot using D800 for your viewing pleasure..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2auo10nbPvQ&feature=player_embedded# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2auo10nbPvQ&feature=player_embedded#)!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on February 21, 2012, 03:40:58 PM
pag nainis ako, bibili na lang ako ng nikon D4, then retain the D700 as a backup body  :o :o :o
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: potch on February 21, 2012, 03:47:48 PM
Boss Rico, mas magandang idea yan para matahimik ka na..  ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 21, 2012, 03:55:14 PM
 How about D3S?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on February 21, 2012, 04:01:14 PM
hindi pumasa sa akin ang video performance ng D3s  :o :o :o
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junji on February 21, 2012, 04:36:40 PM
nakakaingit ka naman mainis rico, ako pag nainis d700 na lang bibilin ko. 2nd body yung d7k ko. he he
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on February 21, 2012, 04:47:31 PM
eh,naiinis ako sa presyo ng D800,eh...hindi magsettle ng maayos. kahit sa japan, mataas...kakainis  :o :o :o
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junji on February 21, 2012, 07:00:22 PM
kaya mahirap talaga bumili ng nikon sa panahon ngayun lalo na yang parang hotcake na d800. ang taas ng demand tapos kulang ang supply, it seems na hanggang ngayun e ramdam pa rin ng nikon yung baha sa thailand at tsunami sa japan at naghahabol pa rin sila ng production.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 21, 2012, 09:35:48 PM
kaya mahirap talaga bumili ng nikon sa panahon ngayun lalo na yang parang hotcake na d800. ang taas ng demand tapos kulang ang supply, it seems na hanggang ngayun e ramdam pa rin ng nikon yung baha sa thailand at tsunami sa japan at naghahabol pa rin sila ng production.
Eh di mag antay antay pa kahit hanggang pasko.Anyway 10 months na lang pasko na uli. ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on February 21, 2012, 10:28:28 PM
Bakit mataas sa Japan pero sa US $2,999 parin naman?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on February 21, 2012, 10:30:45 PM
kaya nga nagagalit ako,e  :o :o :o
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 21, 2012, 10:31:45 PM
Bakit mataas sa Japan pero sa US $2,999 parin naman?

US to Yen exchange rate is huge factor. Kung one to 100 lang pwede na sana.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 21, 2012, 11:36:41 PM
Hopefully they'll release a mastering the D800/D800E with emphasis on both stills and video use and how to use all the external or optional gadgets.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: MLG123 on February 22, 2012, 12:27:30 AM
The D800 and D800E is expected to be in short supply for 6-8 months after initial release in late March.  Does anyone have an idea as to how much this is likely to sell in Manila during the summer months from late March to early June when this will most likely be used for vacation and travel?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 22, 2012, 05:34:13 AM
The D800 and D800E is expected to be in short supply for 6-8 months after initial release in late March.  Does anyone have an idea as to how much this is likely to sell in Manila during the summer months from late March to early June when this will most likely be used for vacation and travel?

I think when people spread something like this it creates a temporary illusion of high demand and low supply which raises the price of the product whoever happens to get one first. Without any proof, this is something that I will just dismiss. It maybe true to some countries like the Philippines but this is all speculation.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on February 22, 2012, 06:24:53 AM
the artificial price thing only happens to nikon camera bodies, i think...too many people want what they produce but nikon's production is not enough  :o :o :o
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 22, 2012, 09:41:51 AM
I think the distributors already have them in-stock but have not officially announced that they have them since they are complying with Nikon's instructions.

http://nikonrumors.com/2012/02/20/nikon-d800d800e-cost-to-dealers-in-the-us.aspx/ (http://nikonrumors.com/2012/02/20/nikon-d800d800e-cost-to-dealers-in-the-us.aspx/)

So, who is actually getting the new cameras?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: MLG123 on February 22, 2012, 03:24:11 PM
I think when people spread something like this it creates a temporary illusion of high demand and low supply which raises the price of the product whoever happens to get one first. Without any proof, this is something that I will just dismiss. It maybe true to some countries like the Philippines but this is all speculation.


I think the distributors already have them in-stock but have not officially announced that they have them since they are complying with Nikon's instructions.

Speculating that I am speculating?  :D

This is not speculation.  I talked with someone who works for the local distributor of Nikon and the company is  not expecting to get any unit in March and even up to mid-April.  The company has placed an order but do not even know how many of what it ordered will Nikon fulfill because of limited supplies.  Because of this, I have to  source my D800 from elsewhere if I want it on hand by early April.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 22, 2012, 04:08:44 PM
So, who is actually getting the new cameras?
Not me...........................have to wait for a year or 2. However, that will depend on how good the BIs(reviews) will be.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junji on February 22, 2012, 05:20:04 PM
Not me...........................have to wait for a year or 2. However, that will depend on how good the BIs(reviews) will be.
Same here. Pag-sasawaan ko na lang muna ang D7K ko. Invest na lang muna ako sa Trinity lens.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on February 22, 2012, 05:54:34 PM
looks like dapat kumuha muna ko ng d700  :D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: MLG123 on February 22, 2012, 07:38:33 PM
OK pa rin ang D700 kaya hindi ko ibebenta iyong sa akin.  

Wala sana akong plano kumuha ng D800 sa umpisa pero naging irresistible and 1080p HD-video sa FX.  Iyon lang, kailanganin ko lang siguraduhin na US or Japan model ang kukunin ko para NTSC-supported ang video standard ng  D800 para compatible sa HDTV at Blu-ray standards dito sa Pinas.  Takot ako na baka PAL ang video standard ng mga D800 na galing sa HK at Singapore units tulad ng Sony NEX at Panasonic m4/3 cameras.  Ibebenta ko na lang ang D7000 pagdating ng D800 para mabawasan ang gastos.

2nd reason para kumuha ng D800 ay para may malawak at high-resolution landscape camera.  Baka halos magkapareho ang D700 at D800 sa high ISO pero sa base ISO, mas maganda ang D800.  Sa D800. masusulit  talaga ang 14-24mm.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 22, 2012, 07:56:31 PM
Speculating that I am speculating?  :D

This is not speculation.  I talked with someone who works for the local distributor of Nikon and the company is  not expecting to get any unit in March and even up to mid-April.  The company has placed an order but do not even know how many of what it ordered will Nikon fulfill because of limited supplies.  Because of this, I have to  source my D800 from elsewhere if I want it on hand by early April.

Ok, so we are not talking about the power sellers like amazon, B and H photo and Adorama, correct? This must be one of the smaller or local stores. If it was Amazon, most people who have placed their pre-order have been sent an estimated shipping date already based on the quota or number of units that they may have received already.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: MLG123 on February 22, 2012, 08:05:00 PM
Ok, so we are not talking about the power sellers like amazon, B and H photo and Adorama, correct? This must be one of the smaller or local stores. If it was Amazon, most people who have placed their pre-order have been sent an estimated shipping date already based on the quota or number of units that they may have received already.

Company referred to is the Philippine Nikon Distributor - small relative to Amazon, BH Photo and Adorama but the 800-pounds gorilla in the Philippines.

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: MLG123 on February 22, 2012, 08:11:04 PM
Glenn, you sold your D700 right?  So what are you aiming for to replace it, a D800 or D4?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 22, 2012, 08:36:18 PM
Glenn, you sold your D700 right?  So what are you aiming for to replace it, a D800 or D4?

D4 on pre-order already. Awaiting for estimated shipping date.  ;)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on February 22, 2012, 09:37:51 PM
Going back to HI-ISO performance. If D800 hi-iso performance would be similar to d700 or better then D700 will be obsolete and the price should go down as well.  :D




OK pa rin ang D700 kaya hindi ko ibebenta iyong sa akin.  

Wala sana akong plano kumuha ng D800 sa umpisa pero naging irresistible and 1080p HD-video sa FX.  Iyon lang, kailanganin ko lang siguraduhin na US or Japan model ang kukunin ko para NTSC-supported ang video standard ng  D800 para compatible sa HDTV at Blu-ray standards dito sa Pinas.  Takot ako na baka PAL ang video standard ng mga D800 na galing sa HK at Singapore units tulad ng Sony NEX at Panasonic m4/3 cameras.  Ibebenta ko na lang ang D7000 pagdating ng D800 para mabawasan ang gastos.

2nd reason para kumuha ng D800 ay para may malawak at high-resolution landscape camera.  Baka halos magkapareho ang D700 at D800 sa high ISO pero sa base ISO, mas maganda ang D800.  Sa D800. masusulit  talaga ang 14-24mm.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 22, 2012, 09:58:44 PM
Going back to HI-ISO performance. If D800 hi-iso performance would be similar to d700 or better then D700 will be obsolete and the price should go down as well.  :D

I wouldn't describe it as "obsolete" just because the D800 was released. The D700 is a very capable camera and not for video (obviously).  However, it is expected for the older cameras to depreciate in value in the long run just like how the D800 quickly affected the price of the D3x.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 22, 2012, 10:35:59 PM
I don't think the d800 will follow the d7000 phenomenon in terms of demand here in the Philippines.At that projected price, a lot of us here can't afford it or not willing to shell out that much.While it would be great to have a pro cam, most of us will stay in price range below 100k.It is the DX system that are very affordable like the d3100/d5100.The d7000 was short in supply because of the timing. A lot of 70/80/90 upgraders embraced it right away for some of its prolike features seen only on the Nikon's high end DX system.Then the advanced users(d300/s and d700) also joined the party.It was a stroke of a genius from Nikon.
I won't really worry if it will be in short supply initially but I really doubt it( si Mang Ramon pa!!). It may sell around PhP 150-160K plus initially in gray market and I am being conservative so it could even be much higher.
How many will rush and buy it? Not me. The d7k even at 60K initially, is really affordable esp if part of the budget is from your old body. Even the d700 users who are going to sell their bodies will still put in more money just to upgrade at the early onset.If they wait any longer, the d700 used market prices will stabilized and even go higher and the d800 will go lower.Waiting a little more is much better IMHO.The other advantage if we don't rush and buy our d800 is the sellers will not take advantage of us. They will wonder why it did not go the d7K way.They will lower their prices at much faster rate. Nikon stoked me with the d7k but this time I will choose not to be tricked by Jedi mind control strategy. Well, its just me. Bahala kayo!!!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: MLG123 on February 22, 2012, 10:42:15 PM
D4 on pre-order already. Awaiting for estimated shipping date.  ;)

Very nice and congratulations Glenn!  4mp more plus at least 2-stops higher than D700 with much improved AF and HD-video.  Wow!   ;D

Getting it from Japan?  That's a wise move so you will have no issue with the supported video standards in your D4 as the US, Japan and the Philippines have the same NTSC video standards.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 22, 2012, 10:49:23 PM
Very nice and congratulations Glenn!  4mp more plus at least 2-stops higher than D700 with much improved AF and HD-video.  Wow!   ;D
Yeah for the wild thing in me( gear headed). I like the d4 over the d800. It seems to suit me better...but if I'll have my way. I like the d4/d800 combo...in my dreams. ;D ;D

Glenn,pa testing ng d4 mo ha!!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on February 23, 2012, 12:38:21 AM
150-160k or higher is bordering D3s price, sana hindi totoo yan!  :(
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: MLG123 on February 23, 2012, 01:01:02 AM
Based on the test results of the D700 vs D800 posted at NR, the mad rush for the D800 begins here now!   ;D  The D800 looks pretty good there though personally, I think more tests (perhaps more properly set-up) will be needed to prove that the D800 is better than the D700.  So while I believe that the D800 is better than the D700 at base ISO, I remain unconvinced that the D800 is better than the D700 at high-ISO.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 23, 2012, 04:00:16 AM
(http://nikonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Nikon-D800-vs-Nikon-D700-ISO-3200-comparison.jpg)

(http://nikonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Nikon-D800-vs-Nikon-D700-ISO-6400-comparison.jpg)

(http://nikonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Nikon-D800-vs-Nikon-D700-ISO-12800-comparison.jpg)

(http://nikonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Nikon-D800-vs-Nikon-D700-ISO-25600-comparison.jpg)


Sabi ni Mang Igmi downsized sample raw tong sa D800. OOF ang D700?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 23, 2012, 04:35:36 AM
Very nice and congratulations Glenn!  4mp more plus at least 2-stops higher than D700 with much improved AF and HD-video.  Wow!   ;D

Getting it from Japan?  That's a wise move so you will have no issue with the supported video standards in your D4 as the US, Japan and the Philippines have the same NTSC video standards.

Thanks. Sa BH Photo ko na order. Mas mahal sa Japan.

We'll see how the high ISO performs once I get my copy.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 23, 2012, 04:39:09 AM
Yeah for the wild thing in me( gear headed). I like the d4 over the d800. It seems to suit me better...but if I'll have my way. I like the d4/d800 combo...in my dreams. ;D ;D

Glenn,pa testing ng d4 mo ha!!

Anytime Doc.  ;D Iba kasi kapag nahawakan mo na at na try mo on how it performs. Sold kaagad ako.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on February 23, 2012, 04:48:01 AM
Ang hirap i-judge ng samples dami kase pixel ng d800 kahit nadownsized na.
At 6400 ok naman ang detail ng d800 kaso blurred yung d700 so it's hard to say kung mas naretain yung detail sa D700.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 23, 2012, 05:58:13 AM
I don't think the d800 will follow the d7000 phenomenon in terms of demand here in the Philippines.At that projected price, a lot of us here can't afford it or not willing to shell out that much.While it would be great to have a pro cam, most of us will stay in price range below 100k.It is the DX system that are very affordable like the d3100/d5100.The d7000 was short in supply because of the timing. A lot of 70/80/90 upgraders embraced it right away for some of its prolike features seen only on the Nikon's high end DX system.Then the advanced users(d300/s and d700) also joined the party.It was a stroke of a genius from Nikon.
I won't really worry if it will be in short supply initially but I really doubt it( si Mang Ramon pa!!). It may sell around PhP 150-160K plus initially in gray market and I am being conservative so it could even be much higher.
How many will rush and buy it? Not me. The d7k even at 60K initially, is really affordable esp if part of the budget is from your old body. Even the d700 users who are going to sell their bodies will still put in more money just to upgrade at the early onset.If they wait any longer, the d700 used market prices will stabilized and even go higher and the d800 will go lower.Waiting a little more is much better IMHO.The other advantage if we don't rush and buy our d800 is the sellers will not take advantage of us. They will wonder why it did not go the d7K way.They will lower their prices at much faster rate. Nikon stoked me with the d7k but this time I will choose not to be tricked by Jedi mind control strategy. Well, its just me. Bahala kayo!!!

Doc – I agree with you considering the income or salary that the majority makes in the Philippines is considerably less depending on the exchange rate.  Only wealthy people and pros who are willing to spend that amount of money will be the only ones that will be getting these new FX cameras.  DX are much more reasonable.  I remember one of the sellers here at Pipho who mentioned that the Philippines is more of a “Benro” user/crowd and not a “Gitzo” crowd.

It is no different in most countries even in the U.S. especially with the current state of our economy. Surely there is nothing wrong with the D7000 as an enthusiast. We all have our own priorities. I won’t be spending this much money if I was paying for my son’s college education or if I just bought a new car or house.

I’ve already tried the D700 and D7000. I know I don’t need extra MPs and I prefer the cleaner images that the D4 will provide at higher ISO level. The D4 and my Fuji X10 will be enough to suit all of my shooting needs (video and still) for the next 5 years or so.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Alfalfameister on February 23, 2012, 08:50:03 AM
I disagree with retina's viewpoint that the D700 will stabilize in the used-market price, and that the D800 will go lower. I think Nikon will sell them faster than they can make them. Nikon sells them at a fixed price -- it's the other sellers who will make a profit by selling it at higher than SRP. For instance, local sellers here (our favorite Master Ramon included) will end up saying that he can't go lower than P150,000 because of tax, exchange rate, etc. The truth will probably be: they will be selling it at what price the market is willing to pay it, especially if they have the item on-hand, and they know you want it baaaad.

I am a D700 owner (just recently acquired a used one), but I feel that if one wants a D800, the time to order it is NOW. Those who say "wait first" and all of that, will end up waiting too long. By the time you say, "Ok, I think now is the time to get one" there will be no stocks, and you will wait for months.

Actually, the time to order it so that you can get it in a few months time... I think that time has come and gone.

On another note, I am actually going backwards now. I have a D700, but recently have been playing with an F5. Actually, just acquired a medium format camera (Mamiya Rz67 Pro II), and am getting an Epson V700 scanner -- so, scanning 35mm will be like having a 24 megapixel camera (not quite D800 level, but hey). Of course, digital has all its pluses, plus instant gratification (film shooting is sooo slow and calculated, but sometimes, slow is very enjoyable). Anyway, that's enough off-topic.

If you want a D800 by Christmas, I think one better pre-order now. I don't think it will go down in price, and I don't think supply will keep up with demand until mid to late 2013.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 23, 2012, 09:20:35 AM
Nakakatawa to read the exchanges about the supply & demand ng D800 saka its implications sa ibang models ng Nikon.  ;D

Well-played, Nikon!!! :D

Let's put the numbers in perspective naman: Officially, the President of Nikon (Sendai) Jiro Saito said this to bunch of reporters, to paraphrase, Nikon is targeting to produce 30,000 units of D800 and 5,000 units of D4 camera models, the company's latest, per month at its factory in Sendai.

Or to put it in factory terms, with the current 1,600 workers, the Sendai factory is producing one unit of camera per minute on a daytime shift with each unit of the D800 variant produced every four hours and the D4 variant every five hours. I am not good in math pero starting March till December, that would be 10 months x 30,000 units equals 300,000 units. Ilang bansa ba ang may official Nikon dealers and sa mga bansang yun ilang ang nakatoka bawat bansa?

300,000 D800/800E units by December this year.... yep, well played Nikon... ;D challenge your customers to be better photographers with the D800/800E by putting out the technical PDF about how to handle your newest offering thus creating a lot of talk even before the camera hits the market and then sit back and watch how the pre-order market shape up and then freeze it thus creating more demand. ;)

Sources:

Pre-orders of D800 frozen by Nikon: http://www.techradar.com/news/photography-video-capture/cameras/nikon-d800-pre-orders-frozen-in-us-1062150 (http://www.techradar.com/news/photography-video-capture/cameras/nikon-d800-pre-orders-frozen-in-us-1062150)

Nikon Sendai press conference: http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v6/newsbusiness.php?id=644921 (http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v6/newsbusiness.php?id=644921)

No delay on March release of D800: http://www.techradar.com/news/photography-video-capture/cameras/nikon-confirms-d4-and-d800-release-dates-1065144 (http://www.techradar.com/news/photography-video-capture/cameras/nikon-confirms-d4-and-d800-release-dates-1065144)

D800/800E Technical Guide PDF: http://www.nikonusa.com/en_US/o/Y6wrkA9OU_z04IreazIXl_22UII/PDF/D800_TechnicalGuide_En.pdf (http://www.nikonusa.com/en_US/o/Y6wrkA9OU_z04IreazIXl_22UII/PDF/D800_TechnicalGuide_En.pdf)

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 23, 2012, 09:52:03 AM
@Aries
     Yung pre-order ko sa BnH di ko na muna na cancel..... I will play with the unit with until 150 shots then isa-sauli ko nalang sa  store nila pag di kaya ng powers ko. As long as less than 200 actuations puwede pa full refund.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 23, 2012, 09:56:41 AM
@Aries
     Yung pre-order ko sa BnH di ko na muna na cancel..... I will play with the unit with until 150 shots then isa-sauli ko nalang sa  store nila pag di kaya ng powers ko. As long as less than 200 actuations puwede pa full refund.

hahahahaha! great plan, Jun....

antayin ko naman ibenta yung D800 return mo ng Nikon via Nikon Professional Services (NPS) at a steep discount as a refurbished unit! Even better pag-sa Cameta yun ibenta at 30% off!

Well-played, Jun! LOL
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 23, 2012, 10:13:45 AM
You should do the same, para yung isa-sauli mo ako naman ang bibili,,,, seems like a good plan ahhehehee
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 23, 2012, 10:22:35 AM
You should do the same, para yung isa-sauli mo ako naman ang bibili,,,, seems like a good plan ahhehehee


Jun, hahahaha markado na ng NPS ang mga serial numbers ng equipment ko... magugulat sila kung brand new bigla ang i-reregister ko! Certified refurbished unit buyer ako eh... LOL

Seriously speaking naman, with all these talk about people anxiously preordering to buy brand new D800, the refurbished D800/800E market will be robust so I am not even worried that the supply can not keep up with the demand with the way I buy my equipment.

I might sound sarcastic but I am seriously serious. ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 23, 2012, 11:46:01 AM
Nakakatawa to read the exchanges about the supply & demand ng D800 saka its implications sa ibang models ng Nikon.  ;D

Well-played, Nikon!!! :D

Let's put the numbers in perspective naman: Officially, the President of Nikon (Sendai) Jiro Saito said this to bunch of reporters, to paraphrase, Nikon is targeting to produce 30,000 units of D800 and 5,000 units of D4 camera models, the company's latest, per month at its factory in Sendai.

Or to put it in factory terms, with the current 1,600 workers, the Sendai factory is producing one unit of camera per minute on a daytime shift with each unit of the D800 variant produced every four hours and the D4 variant every five hours. I am not good in math pero starting March till December, that would be 10 months x 30,000 units equals 300,000 units. Ilang bansa ba ang may official Nikon dealers and sa mga bansang yun ilang ang nakatoka bawat bansa?

300,000 D800/800E units by December this year.... yep, well played Nikon... ;D challenge your customers to be better photographers with the D800/800E by putting out the technical PDF about how to handle your newest offering thus creating a lot of talk even before the camera hits the market and then sit back and watch how the pre-order market shape up and then freeze it thus creating more demand. ;)

This is also my basis and I am definitely not in a hurry to get mine (just anxious!  ::)) since I still have 3 other cameras to play with.

Prices do spike just like with the Fuji X100 when they were just released. Prices on Amazon even went up to $4k USD. Since the X100 is now kinda old since they released the X10 and Xpro1, the price has stabilized. Same goes with the D700 when it was released at $3k USD MSRP. I purchased mine a year later for $2,400 USD.  If your mind set is that there is always plenty of pies for everybody, then you should be ok. There is no need to panic.

Thor's method of buying certified refurbished item from Nikon is a great idea whether it's a lens or camera, they are good as new. So for bargain hunters, this is not a bad idea. I doubt that people will be returning their cameras right away though if they just bought it brand new. However, I could be proven wrong if Jun does return his camera for a refund.

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 23, 2012, 12:12:16 PM
I disagree with retina's viewpoint that the D700 will stabilize in the used-market price, and that the D800 will go lower. I think Nikon will sell them faster than they can make them. Nikon sells them at a fixed price -- it's the other sellers who will make a profit by selling it at higher than SRP.
Yeah, that's good. If you believe the other way!! ;D ;D ;D. This is a game of speculation at this point of time. Regarding the price of the d800 going lower, I mean that it will lower down  towards the MSRP ($2999.00).The price of the used d700 will depend on whether a lot will unload their d700 or not.It will also depend on how good the d800 will be.
Whether I will be right or wrong it does not matter.My hope is that the used d700 will flood the market and its price will be reachable for the rest of us.Will it stabilized downwards or upwards, we will yet to see....but my speculation will be as good as yours.No one is a prophet here. ;) ;) IMHO
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 23, 2012, 12:18:00 PM
Nakakatawa to read the exchanges about the supply & demand ng D800 saka its implications sa ibang models ng Nikon.  ;D

Well-played, Nikon!!! :D

Let's put the numbers in perspective naman: Officially, the President of Nikon (Sendai) Jiro Saito said this to bunch of reporters, to paraphrase, Nikon is targeting to produce 30,000 units of D800 and 5,000 units of D4 camera models, the company's latest, per month at its factory in Sendai.

Or to put it in factory terms, with the current 1,600 workers, the Sendai factory is producing one unit of camera per minute on a daytime shift with each unit of the D800 variant produced every four hours and the D4 variant every five hours. I am not good in math pero starting March till December, that would be 10 months x 30,000 units equals 300,000 units. Ilang bansa ba ang may official Nikon dealers and sa mga bansang yun ilang ang nakatoka bawat bansa?

300,000 D800/800E units by December this year.... yep, well played Nikon... ;D challenge your customers to be better photographers with the D800/800E by putting out the technical PDF about how to handle your newest offering thus creating a lot of talk even before the camera hits the market and then sit back and watch how the pre-order market shape up and then freeze it thus creating more demand. ;)

Sources:

Pre-orders of D800 frozen by Nikon: [url]http://www.techradar.com/news/photography-video-capture/cameras/nikon-d800-pre-orders-frozen-in-us-1062150[/url] ([url]http://www.techradar.com/news/photography-video-capture/cameras/nikon-d800-pre-orders-frozen-in-us-1062150[/url])

Nikon Sendai press conference: [url]http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v6/newsbusiness.php?id=644921[/url] ([url]http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v6/newsbusiness.php?id=644921[/url])

No delay on March release of D800: [url]http://www.techradar.com/news/photography-video-capture/cameras/nikon-confirms-d4-and-d800-release-dates-1065144[/url] ([url]http://www.techradar.com/news/photography-video-capture/cameras/nikon-confirms-d4-and-d800-release-dates-1065144[/url])

D800/800E Technical Guide PDF: [url]http://www.nikonusa.com/en_US/o/Y6wrkA9OU_z04IreazIXl_22UII/PDF/D800_TechnicalGuide_En.pdf[/url] ([url]http://www.nikonusa.com/en_US/o/Y6wrkA9OU_z04IreazIXl_22UII/PDF/D800_TechnicalGuide_En.pdf[/url])


Ha ha ha Nikon is really good on playing this one...para panic ang mga tao baka maubusan. I will wait for the used d800 personally even for a long long time. I will not play Nikon's game ;). Pupuntahan kita sa NY at pasasama ako sa baratillo shops sayo ( ;D).Ha ha ha kelan kaya yon?Sa Pilipinas di pa taya nagkita!!!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 23, 2012, 12:28:56 PM
I remember nung day ng announcement ng D800 release, nag tsunami ng D700 na benta sa Craigslist and less than a week ubos ang D700,,, so naisipan kong i post yong unit ko,,, hayun nilangaw nalang at di nabenta ahehehehehe
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Alfalfameister on February 23, 2012, 12:31:29 PM
Yeah, that's good. If you believe the other way!! ;D ;D ;D. This is a game of speculation at this point of time. Regarding the price of the d800 going lower, I mean that it will lower down  towards the MSRP ($2999.00).The price of the used d700 will depend on whether a lot will unload their d700 or not.It will also depend on how good the d800 will be.
Whether I will be right or wrong it does not matter.My hope is that the used d700 will flood the market and its price will be reachable for the rest of us.Will it stabilized downwards or upwards, we will yet to see....but my speculation will be as good as yours.No one is a prophet here. ;) ;) IMHO

We have a healthy disagreement here. And, unlike other internet disagreements, ours is a very amicable (and social) one. :)

Re: price. Yes, I agree with you this time that some sellers will hike the price; but I would not get it higher than MSRP. Pero, ewan... minsan sa Hong Kong (Wan Chai sellers, Tony Leung/New Sangkyo, etc)... minsan mas mura pa rin talaga sila.

I just got my D700... I thought it was a fair price -- not a great price, but fair -- (P70k, for something that already had 70k actuations). If used D700 units go lower, it probably won't go lower than P50k. Despite getting the D700 recently, now that the D800 has come out (or, at least, formally and officially announced), I would not get a D700 right now for anything over P65k -- in fact, I would try to haggle it down to P60k (sorry to all future D700 "dumpers"). And when the D800 is actually available, I would not pay anything over P60k (kasi, at $3,000, that's around P127,000 -- kung na sa P75k pa rin ang D700, dagdag na lang ako at tiisin ang gastos, and go for the D800 instead -- D700 is a 4 year old model, and D800 is brand new).

As to how good the D800 is, I think it's already all over the place. Barring any firmware demons that cause it to lock up and all that, it is an improvement over the D700. All those who say that file size is too big can always choose JPEG Basic or whatever. Or use less pixels. But at least the pixels are there if/when you need it. Obviously, no one will be buying a new D700 when the D800 is readily available (P127,000 for D800, P100,000 for D700 -- both brand new... eh, di sa D800 ka na lang).

In any case, I am not carried away at all by all this D800 hype. The D4, however, is a more tempting prospect (but, obviously, the price rules it out of my pocketbook). I am not tempted whatsoever by the D800 because, as far as this hobby goes, my interests currently lie in using [film] medium format and then just scanning them after.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 23, 2012, 12:37:41 PM
I remember nung day ng announcement ng D800 release, nag tsunami ng D700 na benta sa Craigslist and less than a week ubos ang D700,,, so naisipan kong i post yong unit ko,,, hayun nilangaw nalang at di nabenta ahehehehehe

Timing is everything. About 11 months ago before the Tsunami, Nikon offered up to $600 off if you purchased a camera plus lens. This was offered to the D3s, D300s, D7000 and D700.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 23, 2012, 12:50:06 PM
In any case, I am not carried away at all by all this D800 hype. The D4, however, is a more tempting prospect (but, obviously, the price rules it out of my pocketbook). I am not tempted whatsoever by the D800 because, as far as this hobby goes, my interests currently lie in using [film] medium format and then just scanning them after.

This is indeed very expensive for 35mm DSLRs but it is fairly cheap if you compare it against the Leica or medium format cameras.

Doing a little bit of Math:
D800E will cost $3,300.00
Grip:                   $560.00
              Total: $3,860. give or take a few.

Add a good CF tripod and ballhead will cost another $500 to $1,000 depending on the budget.

Lens?  Let's just start with the Nikon 50mm f1.8G for $200.
Flash, memory cards? The list goes on if you are just starting.

Down sampling the images from 75 mb NEF files to 800 x 600 for web posting is a little too much unless you just shoot jpg and/or DX mode.

I have no special use for my cameras other than to take family pictures (primary purpose). The rest is just satisfying my NAS.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 23, 2012, 12:53:38 PM
Timing was realy everything, to think libre pa ang MB-D10 doon sa body ahehehehe wala pa ring kumakagat na legit,,, so far daming Nigerian ang interested aheheheheh
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 23, 2012, 12:54:26 PM
Sometimes, I have feeling,Glenn, that Nikon is so good with that!! ;D ;D ;D
I hope Alfalfameister is right about the d700 prices at around 60k...nakakatempt na yan.

The situation in the Philippines is different from other countries wherein they can preorder. For the rest of us na sanay sa Grey units...hidalgo ang bagsak o kaya sa mga creative premium sellers here. At least kung preorder sure ka sa prices. Pero sa volatile underground market nakadepend kung gaano tayo ka panic magtxt o kaya tumawag o bumisita sa kanila....iisipin nila ahhhh marami gusto d800 ah. nagbabasa din sila ng mga post natin dito. ;) ;D ;D. Sa CDSC stable ang prices nila pero mas mahal sa MSRP ng mga US stores( alam nyo yan).
If some speculates na mga 127K ang prices ng d800 , OK yan, mahirap din tanggihan yan. Pero tingin ko parang hindi. Kasi Nikon even preempted na short ang supply ng mga bodies na to....Kaya maiharap umasa but initially sa hula sa hangin baka di bababa ng 150K yan .I hope I am wrong kasi di talaga ako bibili at that price point.Don an lang ako sa lumang d700. ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 23, 2012, 01:13:57 PM
Timing was realy everything, to think libre pa ang MB-D10 doon sa body ahehehehe wala pa ring kumakagat na legit,,, so far daming Nigerian ang interested aheheheheh

Mga sira ulo talaga ang mga iyan. Puro manloloko sila just like when I advertised something before on craigslist. Lalo na kapag western union ang pagbayad. Try mo nalang sa ebay.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 23, 2012, 01:30:20 PM
@gq
     I stick to cash payment and meet-ups on malls or deparment stores or sa grand central. For now I will click that D800 shutter till it smokes to 150 actuations, pag di na tame or di kaya ng powers ko,,,, back to BnH ahehehehhee, full refund.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: yourdone on February 23, 2012, 01:37:25 PM
3,000USD D800 vs 3,500USD 5Dx
6,000USD D4 vs 6,800USD 1Dx

Out of touch with reality ba ang mga Japanese camera makers? Akala ko pa naman mapipilitan magbaba ang Nikon pag nilabas na yung bagung 5D!
We need Sony to put up an A850/A900 successor na USD2000 uli para mapilitan magbaba ng presyo yung dalawa!

Abang mode nalang sa Calumet ng used DM22
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 23, 2012, 02:22:39 PM
3,000USD D800 vs 3,500USD 5Dx
6,000USD D4 vs 6,800USD 1Dx

Out of touch with reality ba ang mga Japanese camera makers? Akala ko pa naman mapipilitan magbaba ang Nikon pag nilabas na yung bagung 5D!
We need Sony to put up an A850/A900 successor na USD2000 uli para mapilitan magbaba ng presyo yung dalawa!

Abang mode nalang sa Calumet ng used DM22

Don't get your hopes too high with Sony either. Their A900 is priced about the same as the D700.

Mura na yan compared to the buyers from Europe, Japan and Australia. May VAT pa on most countries.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 23, 2012, 03:57:46 PM
Sabi nila ngawa tayo ng ngawa bibili rin din naman tayon in the end. We can choose to leave and go somewhere else pero we will be on the same predicament.Camera companies always want our money.That's the reality with our craft. :'(
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Alfalfameister on February 23, 2012, 04:02:51 PM

Down sampling the images from 75 mb NEF files to 800 x 600 for web posting is a little too much unless you just shoot jpg and/or DX mode.


Huh?!? Gusto ko nga bumili ng Hasselblad para square format -- swak pang Facebook profile pic!!! Siguro mga 150 mb iyon... perfect for Facebook timeline! LOL!

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I have no special use for my cameras other than to take family pictures (primary purpose). The rest is just satisfying my NAS.

That's why the D4 is actually inexpensive for the working pro who makes money off his camera. But, just like you, I only take pics of my family, and the rest is NAS nga.

 ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on February 23, 2012, 04:19:03 PM
baka pwede natin tanong kung magkano ang D800 dyan sa HK pati na din SB-910  :o :o :o
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 23, 2012, 04:28:49 PM

That's why the D4 is actually inexpensive for the working pro who makes money off his camera. But, just like you, I only take pics of my family, and the rest is NAS nga.

::) ::) ::) ::)... I think I will begin to GAS for that...pagnakabili ako kasalanan mo yan!!But no, I will opt out from this for a year.I have some friends who preordered the d4 and the d800E, including Glenn.They will measurebate for me and I can even borrow their cams. I will decide then whether to go for the d4 or the d800. However, with the option of cheap shipping cost  my dieting might be shortened.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on February 23, 2012, 05:00:33 PM
  :o :o :o

yun mga da-moves natin, i secret na lang natin  ::)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 23, 2012, 05:34:47 PM
@Alfred and Rico, I edited/erased some of our posts. Naalala ko baka sabihin nila na the forum is promoting it. Buti na lang pala at sinabi ni Rico. Salamat sa warning pitbull, ang galing mo talaga!!!Secret moves na lang natin yon!!! ;D

Don sa mga nahuli at di nabasa yong unang postings...PM nyo na lang si Rico, Alfred or me. The responses look funny and senseless. I just have to edit it para di ako mapalo ng mga admin.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 23, 2012, 05:58:40 PM
Kuya namonitor ko po yun ahehehehehe
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 23, 2012, 06:05:27 PM
Na miss ko yon ha. ???

Someone posted this in a joking way.

Q: Couldn’t have Nikon made video an option? I don’t want to pay for video.

A: Yes, Nikon could have followed the model of car manufacturers. Start with a lower “base price” and then make lots of things optional and charge a higher markup on each of them. Next, ship most of the cameras with “option packages” to make the buyer think they are getting a deal. You would have ended up paying more for your final camera, but at least you wouldn’t have paid for video, a pop-up flash, program mode, strap, etc.

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Alfalfameister on February 23, 2012, 06:15:38 PM
Ay, sorry, didn't mean to hiJACk the thread... LOL!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 23, 2012, 06:27:07 PM
::) ::) ::) ::)... I think I will begin to GAS for that...pagnakabili ako kasalanan mo yan!!But no, I will opt out from this for a year.I have some friends who preordered the d4 and the d800E, including Glenn.They will measurebate for me and I can even borrow their cams. I will decide then whether to go for the d4 or the d800. However, with the option of cheap shipping cost  my dieting might be shortened.

Doc - ganito nalang. Most likely na gagawin ko is to compare the ISO between the D4 and D7000 in FX and in DX mode. Curious ako kung mas cleaner kapag DX mode ang D4 or about the same when in FX mode.

Sana dumating na by end of March para maka habol sa mga Cherry and Plum blossoms.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on February 23, 2012, 07:13:15 PM
samahan nyo na lang ng letter from your kamag-anak, kunwari pasalubong...oooops! ::)

i can wait. i am still happy with my D700/D7000 combo. my only concern is resale price  :o :o :o
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on February 23, 2012, 10:21:46 PM
i remember last time when the D7000 came out, many people(mostly D90 loyalists) were against the D7000. saying that it's a bad camera, that its person and not the camera, that it is all hype and so on...
 :o :o :o

i wonder if we will get the same type of people this time around when people are starting to rave about their D800 ::)

i do not get how they think...seriously. i want to speculate but i do not want to hurt the feelings of some people  :P

hmmm...D4 or the D800...

D4 = huge depreciation
D800 =  will probably hold it's value for a longer time than the D4

buying a pro camera body is like buying a camry.

buying a consumer camera body is like buying a honda city.

at least that is how i see it :P
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 23, 2012, 11:01:56 PM
i remember last time when the D7000 came out, many people(mostly D90 loyalists) were against the D7000. saying that it's a bad camera, that its person and not the camera, that it is all hype and so on...
 :o :o :o

i wonder if we will get the same type of people this time around when people are starting to rave about their D800 ::)

i do not get how they think...seriously. i want to speculate but i do not want to hurt the feelings of some people  :P

hmmm...D4 or the D800...

D4 = huge depreciation
D800 =  will probably hold it's value for a longer time than the D4

buying a pro camera body is like buying a camry.

buying a consumer camera body is like buying a honda city.

at least that is how i see it :P
I think the only thing that will hurt me is the pocket ;D ;D ;D...pag d4 doble bugbog!!Good analogy sa depreciation. Sa d4 double din ang depreciation. Kung di mo man lang pagkakikitaan medyo mapagisipisip ka.Sa mga pro wala yan kasi "tools of the trade" naman sa kanila.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on February 23, 2012, 11:04:10 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3PE3ANvgSw&feature=related# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3PE3ANvgSw&feature=related#)

exactly, i am not going to earn anything close to what i will spend on the D4...

just take a look at how much used D3 series bodies are selling for in the FS section. the used D2 series are still pricey it makes no sense to buy them at all :o :o :o
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 24, 2012, 06:08:11 AM
Sige lang kahit na mahal kung "Kung ha-in ka masaya, te supurtahan tika!" ,  basta ba in every click may katumbas nga ngiti  D4/D800 will be good choice.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 24, 2012, 07:19:19 AM
I think the only thing that will hurt me is the pocket ;D ;D ;D...pag d4 doble bugbog!!Good analogy sa depreciation. Sa d4 double din ang depreciation. Kung di mo man lang pagkakikitaan medyo mapagisipisip ka.Sa mga pro wala yan kasi "tools of the trade" naman sa kanila.

I agree about depreciation. That is the nature of the camera world. You can even buy two D800 for the price of a D4 but that is not what is important to me at the moment. Cleaner images at higher ISO level will make difficult shooting scenes possible. Technology will continue to improve and it is a good thing that Nikon's research and development are looking way ahead into the future. XQD card maybe a bad option for now since it is the first camera to have it but two to three years from now, it will eventually replace the CF cards. USB 3.0 is already integrated with the D800. 1440p monitors will eventually become a reality.  So when that time comes, the 36mp camera is actually just fine and the 8x processors will easily handle these larger files.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 24, 2012, 07:40:04 AM
Sige lang kahit na mahal kung "Kung ha-in ka masaya, te supurtahan tika!" ,  basta ba in every click may katumbas nga ngiti  D4/D800 will be good choice.
I agree about depreciation. That is the nature of the camera world. You can even buy two D800 for the price of a D4 but that is not what is important to me at the moment. Cleaner images at higher ISO level will make difficult shooting scenes possible. Technology will continue to improve and it is a good thing that Nikon's research and development are looking way ahead into the future. XQD card maybe a bad option for now since it is the first camera to have it but two to three years from now, it will eventually replace the CF cards. USB 3.0 is already integrated with the D800. 1440p monitors will eventually become a reality.  So when that time comes, the 36mp camera is actually just fine and the 8x processors will easily handle these larger files.
...de javu....yes, I heard these lines before.Yong panahon ng d7K...those were some of the happiest and wackiest times here in Pipho for Nikon users... ;D ;D ;D ...I must admit that technology did not make me a better photographer but it sure eased up the chores in taking photographs. While the old cameras will always and never ceased to be a good one,the new ones will have their own merits.... Until a new one comes along.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 24, 2012, 08:18:08 AM
...de javu....yes, I heard these lines before.Yong panahon ng d7K...those were some of the happiest and wackiest times here in Pipho for Nikon users... ;D ;D ;D ...I must admit that technology did not make me a better photographer but it sure eased up the chores in taking photographs. While the old cameras will always and never ceased to be a good one,the new ones will have their own merits.... Until a new one comes along.

Technology will not make us better photographers, Doc... I agree 100%.

Let me add some random thoughts on the posts above, pagsama-samahin ko na:

- The quest for cleaner ISO at higher settings is something that is created by forum talk and measurebating.

We have to keep in mind that all the sensor does is catch photons in a manner that we control with our exposure settings. In digital photography:
     - There are two physical settings that control exposure, 1) aperture & 2) shutter speed
     - The other setting, 3) ISO is a virtual setting, It has no real effect on the exposure. All ISO does is affect the other two (and provide guidance to the electronics on gain to be applied to the signal coming from the individual photosites etc.).

- The K5 & D7000 sensor are already operating at ISO-less setting if you know how to post-process the image. It requires know-how and a really good grasp of noise reduction post-processing coupled with a 3rd party software such as Imagenomic will give you a clean image of the same dark scene shot irregardless of ISO setting. The DR will suffer but it proves the point that ISO is a virtual setting. It is not a physical setting in the sensor.

- The Holy Grail for an ISO-less sensor is to come up with a sensor that has the same DR in all ISO settings. This will require better electronics to back up the firmware in the camera and photosites (aka sensor design) that are capable of capturing photons even in the darkest exposure setting. How possible is this? No sensor engineer has put a claim that this is possible in the near future.

- The D800/800E is a game changer because of its sensor resolution and megapixel size that appeals to those who need to print big. The sensor resolution is a huge factor for those who already know how to maximize the potential of their equipment.

- Last one, between investing in D800/800E and getting down and dirty learning how to post-process images, I will side with the camp who would rather invest in acquiring knowledge in post-processing of RAW files. For example, a D2x with its superb color profile in the hands of photographer who knows how to set his exposure, physically take photographs, and post-process his images can and will keep up with someone who has a D800/800E with a rudimentary understanding of digital post-processing.

IMHO.... ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 24, 2012, 08:24:21 AM
Here is another NPS member from Netherland who was able to use all 3 cameras. Nothing new from his report.  I don't agree with his opinion about 10fps being not enough and the D4 having the lead on cleaner images at higher ISO since he doesn't have any supporting images to prove this against Canon 1Dx.

http://blog.hayobaan.nl/2012/02/nikon-d4-d800-d800e-hands-on.html (http://blog.hayobaan.nl/2012/02/nikon-d4-d800-d800e-hands-on.html)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Alfalfameister on February 24, 2012, 08:34:54 AM
I must admit that technology did not make me a better photographer

Ako naman, it's the opposite! But...

...it's the old technology that is making me a better photographer!

With my recently acquired [second hand] film camera, I do not (and cannot) fall into the "spray and pray" method of taking shots anymore. Each shot is carefully taken into consideration; no chimping can be done, either. I have actually whipped out my old light meter, and have started using it more often.

On the good side, though, film is just more forgiving in terms of latitude, so metering need not be done perfectly (although perfectly metered shots are much preferred).
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 24, 2012, 08:58:24 AM
Alfred, it's not the old technology that is making you a better photographer. It is your understanding that you really need to know your metering and exposure settings to shoot, because if you don't you are just wasting your time and money shooting film.

The same thing happens in digital photography, the difference is the level of perception and understanding. How often have we seen images posted in forums that we cringed because they were poorly exposed? But digital is cheap hence the advent of digital capture changed the landscape of photography.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 24, 2012, 09:18:31 AM
Ako naman, it's the opposite! But...

...it's the old technology that is making me a better photographer!

With my recently acquired [second hand] film camera, I do not (and cannot) fall into the "spray and pray" method of taking shots anymore. Each shot is carefully taken into consideration; no chimping can be done, either. I have actually whipped out my old light meter, and have started using it more often.

On the good side, though, film is just more forgiving in terms of latitude, so metering need not be done perfectly (although perfectly metered shots are much preferred).

That's what I am curious to try.Di kasi  ako nahasa sa film dahil very limited yong learning materials, di tulad ngayon.In anyways medyo nagdadalawang isip din ako kasi wala naman akong time. I will just pretend na I have a film camera by instituting discipline on myself.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 24, 2012, 09:28:16 AM
Doc, if you have a D40 or any dslr Nikon that does not meter for AI/AIS lenses you can you can shoot like film.

Mount nyo yung 28mm or 105mm, cover the LCD so you can not review your shots, and shoot figuring out your exposure manually. Pag-uwi nyo review the shots using the histogram as quantitative analytical tool if you exposed the shots properly. This method is cheaper than film and the learning curve is so much faster because the histogram will tell you if you exposed the shadows and highlights within the parameters na na-set nyo.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 24, 2012, 10:08:16 AM
- Last one, between investing in D800/800E and getting down and dirty learning how to post-process images, I will side with the camp who would rather invest in acquiring knowledge in post-processing of RAW files. For example, a D2x with its superb color profile in the hands of photographer who knows how to set his exposure, physically take photographs, and post-process his images can and will keep up with someone who has a D800/800E with a rudimentary understanding of digital post-processing.


Thanks for pointing this out Thor.  I admit that I am not deep into layering and masking using Adobe CS5. I have not explored its potential as I should. I also don't want to spend a lot of time post processing. Normally I would adjust the lighting, contrast, and re-size as necessary. If I am not too lazy, I would include my watermark.

I often get a request to make the them (my subjects) look skinnier.  ::)  I should just tell them that they should have came to me when they were 18 years old so that I don't have to deal with their request.  ;D


With that said, I ordered this book from Amazon to get me started with my post processing technique or lack of.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0321725549/ref=oh_o00_s00_i00_details (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0321725549/ref=oh_o00_s00_i00_details)

Edit: I just realized that the subject is out of topic already.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Alfalfameister on February 24, 2012, 10:35:31 AM
Alfred, it's not the old technology that is making you a better photographer. It is your understanding that you really need to know your metering and exposure settings to shoot, because if you don't you are just wasting your time and money shooting film.

Precisely. But it's the old technology that FORCES one to make sure it's spot on. Digital is fantastic, but it just kinda spoils you too much. Film can get wasted, but no pixels (all 38 million of them in the D800/E) have to die.

BUT, I am not a "film advocate" at all, but it has it's place... digital is definitely more convenient, and when shooting kids' parties (like I did this morning), I'm not going to bring my F5; it's the D700 that saw all the action. Of course, with fast action like blowing candles and all, the 5fps left me wanting... too bad D3s's haven't gone down in price much either, haha! (Well, actually, even if they did, that's still a pricey proposition).
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 24, 2012, 11:08:38 AM
Doc, if you have a D40 or any dslr Nikon that does not meter for AI/AIS lenses you can you can shoot like film.

Mount nyo yung 28mm or 105mm, cover the LCD so you can not review your shots, and shoot figuring out your exposure manually. Pag-uwi nyo review the shots using the histogram as quantitative analytical tool if you exposed the shots properly. This method is cheaper than film and the learning curve is so much faster because the histogram will tell you if you exposed the shadows and highlights within the parameters na na-set nyo.
;D ;D ;D ....don't have a d40. I started on the middle of the road. I was looking at the CLS and wireless commander mode of the d70s done anything.Then everytime there is refresh, I sold and got the new one...until I realized that I don't need to do that....so right now I don't feel the need to rush and get my d800 or maybe even the d4.I am 100 percent sure to get one but in my own time.
I won't worry about short supply or anything of adopting late.I have learned my lesson and paid my dues.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 24, 2012, 11:51:43 AM
Precisely. But it's the old technology that FORCES one to make sure it's spot on. Digital is fantastic, but it just kinda spoils you too much. Film can get wasted, but no pixels (all 38 million of them in the D800/E) have to die.
-edit-

@ Alfred,

What I was really driving at is that you did not mention what type of film you were using, is it negative film or positive film?

The reason it is important for me, in your reference about film and digital, is that there is a huge difference in terms of exposing for negative film and exposing for positive (slide/reversal) film.

Negative film exposure is exposing for the shadows and developing the highlights.

Positive film exposure is exposing for the highlights and developing the shadows.

Digital exposure is exposing for the highlights and post-processing the shadows. Digital exposure is similar to slide or positive film exposure.

Film shooters who mostly shoot negative film have to re-learn again how to shoot digital precisely because they have been shooting for the shadows. Once they figured out that they need to expose like they are using slide films then digital photography becomes like film experience again for them. In digital parlance, ETTR (Exposing To The Right of the histogram) is shoot like slide film exposure.

This is the reason why I suggested to Doc A to pick up a Nikon dslr that does not meter for AI/AIS and simulate the film experience. In that setting, he will be exposing for the highlights, just as he would if he is shooting with slide films. The D90 and below does not meter with AI/AIS lenses.

I also shoot film and use medium format lenses on my Nikons. I keep my F5 and FM2 for sentimental reasons nowadays.

To keep my post on topic.... ;D ;D ;D:

I am particularly interested in shooting the D800 with Face Detect mode metering with backlighted subjects as it is film-like in the way in controls the highlights the background with the subject's face metered properly. This is very similar to using a negative film in Spot Metering mode and you know you have control of the highlights.



Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 24, 2012, 12:39:20 PM
Beep! Beep!
I was at a birthday a few hours ago and got some chance to take some snap shots. Camera set to RAW. Pag uwi ng bahay heto kalikot ng shots and ngayon ko lang to napansin, only used RAW lately but never checked on the file size, as well as after converting it to TIFF.

At 12mp
RAW = 11 mb
After conversion
TIFF=34 mb

Does this mean pag naka D800 ka
At 36mp
RAW=33mb
After Conversion
TIFF= 102mb

Usually absent ako sa Math Class, tama ba tong figures sa itaas.

Kung tama yang sa itaas, Sampung processed pics pa lang 1Gig na agad ang kakanin sa storage device ko?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 24, 2012, 01:09:32 PM
Beep! Beep!
I was at a birthday a few hours ago and got some chance to take some snap shots. Camera set to RAW. Pag uwi ng bahay heto kalikot ng shots and ngayon ko lang to napansin, only used RAW lately but never checked on the file size, as well as after converting it to TIFF.

At 12mp
RAW = 11 mb
After conversion
TIFF=34 mb

Does this mean pag naka D800 ka
At 36mp
RAW=33mb
After Conversion
TIFF= 102mb

Usually absent ako sa Math Class, tama ba tong figures sa itaas.

Kung tama yang sa itaas, Sampung processed pics pa lang 1Gig na agad ang kakanin sa storage device ko?


YOu are on the ballpark. Go to page 17 for the official numbers.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 24, 2012, 01:21:31 PM
Jun, para start ka na maghanap ng bigger memory.... 74.4 mb for FX Uncompressed 14-bit RAW.... nyahahahaha!!!

Seryoso... there are 6 choices for RAW settings, for FX smallest is 29 mb for Compressed 12-bit and biggest is 74.4... mas maliit for DX mode.

Here are the RAW file sizes (from Nikon eto):

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7184/6778796832_caa4176462_o.jpg)





Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: dean on February 24, 2012, 01:31:34 PM
sounds like we're going back to the days of film when we're more careful of our shots because we don't have unlimited frames to shoot :)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 24, 2012, 01:36:14 PM
Hesus ginoo, this will be the deal breaker for me. O dont want to buy storage device na para bang bumibili ako ng film. This it, reality bites na. Lights out on D800 for me ahehehehhe
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Alfalfameister on February 24, 2012, 02:58:36 PM
Hesus ginoo, this will be the deal breaker for me. O dont want to buy storage device na para bang bumibili ako ng film. This it, reality bites na. Lights out on D800 for me ahehehehhe

Partner... D800 = P130,000 (give or take). 3TB drive, around P10k. Plus, if you DELETE all those lousy/blurred/unfocused images, ang dami pang puedeng kasya. And, you don't really have to save your files as TIFF. Keep the raw files (only of the keepers, of course), and be diligent in deleting the useless ones (I really should heed my own advice -- kaya lang, kahit blurred yung pic, nasa isip ko kasi, "those are my kids!").

So, Lights On ulit for you...  ;)

@Aries... negative film. I used to shoot E6 and Kodachrome a million years ago (with nothing to show for it). I now prefer the latitude of negs (slides are just as unforgiving, if not moreso, than digital). And, yes, with negs, I actually overexpose (expose for the shadows) and then some. So much f/stop latitude, and with the new Kodak Portra, parang ang hirap i-overexpose ang highlights. There's still detail in it up to 3 (or more!) stops overexposure!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 24, 2012, 03:22:57 PM
Ang BI talaga aheehhehehee!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 24, 2012, 09:01:14 PM
Thanks for pointing this out Thor.  I admit that I am not deep into layering and masking using Adobe CS5. I have not explored its potential as I should. I also don't want to spend a lot of time post processing. Normally I would adjust the lighting, contrast, and re-size as necessary. If I am not too lazy, I would include my watermark.

I often get a request to make the them (my subjects) look skinnier.  ::)  I should just tell them that they should have came to me when they were 18 years old so that I don't have to deal with their request.  ;D


With that said, I ordered this book from Amazon to get me started with my post processing technique or lack of.

[url]http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0321725549/ref=oh_o00_s00_i00_details[/url] ([url]http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0321725549/ref=oh_o00_s00_i00_details[/url])

Edit: I just realized that the subject is out of topic already.


Still on topic, Glenn... ;D

The reason D800E is being sold with free Nikon Capture NX2 (a $129 software) is to help the photographers handle the RAW files of D800E deal specifically with the digital artifacts (e.g. moire) that results from an AA-less/weak filtration. The regular D800 ships with the basic ViewNX2.

That being said, the initial year of a new camera model comes with the the differences in how various aftermarket RAW converters handle RAW files. Adobe takes about 2-6 months before they update their ACR to handle the new D800/800E. Even if they update their ACR, it is still not as accurate as the Nikon Capture NX2 in terms of handling color and digital artifacts (noise included).

I use various RAW converters, from Bibble, Capture One, RawTherapee, and ACR however if I really want to get accurate color profile, I use Nikon Capture NX2 for NEF files. It is a bit slow as it hogs memory so if push comes to shove, CS5 is good enough but by the time you are done using the various tools available such as Color Picker Tool for color measurements, the amount of time you spent is the same as using Capture NX2 except if you create a profile for CS5 batch processing.

Regarding CS5 and portraits (the book that you linked to) - I never use portrait retouching such as body contouring as they are PITA and really goes against the grain of what I think photography is. What I do often is use the available light and see how it drops on the subject and use it as a tool to re-contour the subject's physical atributes to flatter. Even with flash, you can manipulate the light's ratio to control how the light contours the subject's face and body. However, you also have to use the right lens. Often, on parties we carry a P&S such as X10, and a 35mm lens is rarely flattering on a subject due to its focal length and lack of decompressing ability to flatter.

In terms of converting D800 files, I highly suggest the classic books from Jeff Schewe and Bruce Fraser - Real World Camera Raw, http://www.amazon.com/Real-World-Camera-Adobe-Photoshop/dp/0321713095/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpt_1 (http://www.amazon.com/Real-World-Camera-Adobe-Photoshop/dp/0321713095/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpt_1)

Paired with what I call, Adobe's RAW converter on steroids - Lightroom, it is great tool for batch and fast processing of NEF files. You can buy a Lightroom book to learn how to use the Lightroom. Real World Camera Raw is my go to book to understand RAW files and how to convert them.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 24, 2012, 10:46:56 PM
Still on topic, Glenn... ;D

The reason D800E is being sold with free Nikon Capture NX2 (a $129 software) is to help the photographers handle the RAW files of D800E deal specifically with the digital artifacts (e.g. moire) that results from an AA-less/weak filtration. The regular D800 ships with the basic ViewNX2.

That being said, the initial year of a new camera model comes with the the differences in how various aftermarket RAW converters handle RAW files. Adobe takes about 2-6 months before they update their ACR to handle the new D800/800E. Even if they update their ACR, it is still not as accurate as the Nikon Capture NX2 in terms of handling color and digital artifacts (noise included).

I use various RAW converters, from Bibble, Capture One, RawTherapee, and ACR however if I really want to get accurate color profile, I use Nikon Capture NX2 for NEF files. It is a bit slow as it hogs memory so if push comes to shove, CS5 is good enough but by the time you are done using the various tools available such as Color Picker Tool for color measurements, the amount of time you spent is the same as using Capture NX2 except if you create a profile for CS5 batch processing.

Regarding CS5 and portraits (the book that you linked to) - I never use portrait retouching such as body contouring as they are PITA and really goes against the grain of what I think photography is. What I do often is use the available light and see how it drops on the subject and use it as a tool to re-contour the subject's physical atributes to flatter. Even with flash, you can manipulate the light's ratio to control how the light contours the subject's face and body. However, you also have to use the right lens. Often, on parties we carry a P&S such as X10, and a 35mm lens is rarely flattering on a subject due to its focal length and lack of decompressing ability to flatter.

In terms of converting D800 files, I highly suggest the classic books from Jeff Schewe and Bruce Fraser - Real World Camera Raw, [url]http://www.amazon.com/Real-World-Camera-Adobe-Photoshop/dp/0321713095/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpt_1[/url] ([url]http://www.amazon.com/Real-World-Camera-Adobe-Photoshop/dp/0321713095/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpt_1[/url])

Paired with what I call, Adobe's RAW converter on steroids - Lightroom, it is great tool for batch and fast processing of NEF files. You can buy a Lightroom book to learn how to use the Lightroom. Real World Camera Raw is my go to book to understand RAW files and how to convert them.


Thor- Since I use Adobe CS5, I decided to choose that book since it was made by a well known author and it addresses some of the features that I wanted to learn. Eventually, I might pony up again for the 64bit version fo the NX2. MY computer is pretty much up to date with plenty of ram and storage. My camera and lens support system are pretty sturdy. I just need the new camera now so that I can experience a new level of learning.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 24, 2012, 11:12:48 PM
Thor- Since I use Adobe CS5, I decided to choose that book since it was made by a well known author and it addresses some of the features that I wanted to learn. Eventually, I might pony up again for the 64bit version fo the NX2. MY computer is pretty much up to date with plenty of ram and storage. My camera and lens support system are pretty sturdy. I just need the new camera now so that I can experience a new level of learning.


Scott Kelby's is a great book, Glenn.  :) He really knows his Photoshop editing tools. ;)

My only comment on that book is that it assumes you lighted the subject well and/or exposed properly. That is one of my pet peeves with most Photoshop books, they try to correct/manipulate our deficits during the capture.

If you have a chance to browse, take a look at Steve Farace's portrait books. I like his principle of doing it right on capture so you'll spend less time on editing.

link: http://joefarace.com/books/ (http://joefarace.com/books/)

Our discussion might seem OT but if people step back and take a holistic look at the thread (D800/800E) some, not all, will come to the conclusion that the D800/800E is a powerful tool and we can make it more powerful by advancing our photographic knowledge. Sharing stuff like what books are worth reading in the context of the D800/800E is a boon.

Again, the Face Detect Feature of the D800 for portraits is an amazing tool. I can see portrait photographers will use it more and more especially taking portraits against the sun (which in our country is what we have to deal with all the time) - be able to meter and expose the face correctly and at the same time control the background highlights.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: yourdone on February 24, 2012, 11:44:11 PM
D3x's are now being listed at 4500USD (even Moose Petersen is selling his unit for this price as well) when one week ago they were going used for 5800, would it be possible to see them go at a cheaper rate?

At what price point would you go for a used D3x over a D800 given the D3x's proven dynamic range and 35mm DxOmark class leading performance?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 24, 2012, 11:50:39 PM
D3x's are now being listed at 4500USD (even Moose Petersen is selling his unit for this price as well) when one week ago they were going used for 5800, would it be possible to see them go at a cheaper rate?

At what price point would you go for a used D3x over a D800 given the D3x's proven dynamic range and 35mm DxOmark class leading performance?

It depends if you do video, Dan.  ;D

The D800 video is one reason why it will sell well, not its still features.  :)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 25, 2012, 12:14:50 AM

I read this posted at another forum.... (thanks, Glenn! ;D ;D ;D)

*** not to stoke or start a brand war, ok?.... just really funny for a conspiracy buff like me...***

here goes (hindi ko alam kung totoo ba about the head honcho):

"The resignation of the Canon head honcho together with a) the (relatively) low Mp in the flagship 1DX and b) the lateness of the 5D3 makes me think that Canon bought all the "less megapixels equals better IQ in all cases" groupthink that came from the Nikon camp. They decided to go 1DX 18Mp and 5D3 22Mp.

What they didn't figure was that 12-18 months ago Nikon was simultaneously hatching a cunning plan to decapitate the 5D2 market with the D800 while also keeping the D3, D4 line of somewhat lower Mp cameras (but with very low noise and high ISO capabilities) going. This was the correct strategy.

And so the Canon boss has quit...
"

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: yourdone on February 25, 2012, 02:08:29 AM
It depends if you do video, Dan.  ;D

The D800 video is one reason why it will sell well, not its still features.  :)

I don't think I'll use a D800 for video, am happy with the GH2 on the motion picture front.
A D3x is a proven commodity, but many seem to consider that the D800 will be better than the D3x IQ wise.
It is a logical assumption though...
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 25, 2012, 05:11:46 AM
Scott Kelby's is a great book, Glenn.  :) He really knows his Photoshop editing tools. ;)

My only comment on that book is that it assumes you lighted the subject well and/or exposed properly. That is one of my pet peeves with most Photoshop books, they try to correct/manipulate our deficits during the capture.

If you have a chance to browse, take a look at Steve Farace's portrait books. I like his principle of doing it right on capture so you'll spend less time on editing.

link: [url]http://joefarace.com/books/[/url] ([url]http://joefarace.com/books/[/url])

Our discussion might seem OT but if people step back and take a holistic look at the thread (D800/800E) some, not all, will come to the conclusion that the D800/800E is a powerful tool and we can make it more powerful by advancing our photographic knowledge. Sharing stuff like what books are worth reading in the context of the D800/800E is a boon.

Again, the Face Detect Feature of the D800 for portraits is an amazing tool. I can see portrait photographers will use it more and more especially taking portraits against the sun (which in our country is what we have to deal with all the time) - be able to meter and expose the face correctly and at the same time control the background highlights.


Thanks for sharing the link Thor.  Hopefully with the improved metering, there will be less post processing to do other than softening any skin imperfections.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 25, 2012, 06:12:27 AM
I read this posted at another forum.... (thanks, Glenn! ;D ;D ;D)

*** not to stoke or start a brand war, ok?.... just really funny for a conspiracy buff like me...***

here goes (hindi ko alam kung totoo ba about the head honcho):

And so the Canon boss has quit...[/i]"


It is actually true that the Canon President stepped down.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-30/canon-president-steps-down-as-forecast-misses.html (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-30/canon-president-steps-down-as-forecast-misses.html)

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 25, 2012, 07:50:43 AM
It is because of the Thailand floods and to some extent the ripple effect of tsunami. However, the greater and major cause is the rise of the yen. It makes manufacturing so costly in Japan. At the age of 70, the Canon CEO position is quite tough for him.
So,everything about what was posted above was just a joke from the Nikon forum. It is OT but let us not feast on that. Canon will rise again with the formidable 5dXXX coming in soon.

Some people are sensitive to this because of brand loyalty and please let us maintain the peaceful milieu here in our forum.It is the culture that we are so proud very very well. Please let us us go back to the topic. No more comments and no apologies.

An ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 25, 2012, 09:17:01 AM
Ten pics = 1 gig medyo mahirap talaga  mag sink in for me. Makes me think mag ipon nalang for a D3s
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 25, 2012, 02:57:02 PM
Ten pics = 1 gig medyo mahirap talaga  mag sink in for me. Makes me think mag ipon nalang for a D3s
1 terabyte is =1024 Gig.
Madali nga maubos. Don't convert your Raw to Tiff all the time. Shoot jpegs on some....Suddenly the HD space is becoming an issue.Here comes petabyte,exabyte,zetabyte and yottabyte, that will then solves everything temporarily. Just when we thought that we have enough in Terabyte, suddenly enough is not enough.
It will be a problem to some and not to the other ones.I will buy, shoot and worry later!!! ;)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: LawrenceL on February 25, 2012, 03:25:57 PM
Sir, Im wondering how will the face detection feature reacts to subject that are not persons face? say wild life (birds) these are the common problems you cant control in the field, shooting on a back lit subject.

Thanks



Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 25, 2012, 03:51:58 PM
@retina
    Hay salamat at I can still save 1024 tiff pics ahehehehehe. Wala bang Face detection thingy capability ang D3s ahehehehe
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 25, 2012, 04:19:49 PM
@retina
    Hay salamat at I can still save 1024 tiff pics ahehehehehe. Wala bang Face detection thingy capability ang D3s ahehehehe

BTW,not exactly 1024 unless you will erased the raw on top of the tiffs....compute again!!! The comfortable drives are two 3 terabytes. One is the data and the other is the backup. Plus to be safe maybe a blue ray to put the originals ( raw or jpeg) just in case the drives will crash.I am not sure if this is an ideal set up for the d800 data system.
That is why I will build my d800 system from the ground.
First, I will buy the support system including video accessories  i.e. tripod legs, heads, etc...medyo mahal din yon.
Next, the lenses...but I have that already in place.
3rd, my computer system including back ups like what I stated above.(mahal din to)
4th, I need something to calibrate my monitor
5th, upgrade myself  ::) ;D :D

When I have the minimal requirement , that's the time that I will get the d800. Otherwise, I won't be able to maximize my investment and enjoyment of that camera.
The face detection is not new but I think every brand has different implementation. I am not aware if the d3s has this.The ones in the d4 and d800 according to internet information, detects the human face (not animals) thru a thousand information embedded in the cam bios.Then provides proper exposure even against a backlighted subject at the same without blowing out the background.If how true and effective it is, we still have to find out. I believe this is not just a marketing hype and useless features because the early users of preproduction d4 and d800 are raving about it.This might be a very significant feature. I hope so but I am not knowledgeable about it.

Sir, Im wondering how will the face detection feature reacts to subject that are not persons face? say wild life (birds) these are the common problems you cant control in the field, shooting on a back lit subject.

Thanks




I don't know about that scenario. We will know in due time.The d4 users will be able to answer that because I will see a lot of bird enthusiasts that will buy a d4.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Alfalfameister on February 25, 2012, 04:43:18 PM
I know this is the D800 thread, but those who want to upgrade to a D700 are in luck... brand new price in the States will drop $500. I'm sure Hong Kong and the like will also drop their prices soon. Which also means that those who want to unload their D700 units have to price drop significantly as well.

http://nikonrumors.com/2012/02/24/500-price-reduction-for-the-nikon-d700-in-the-us-next-month.aspx/ (http://nikonrumors.com/2012/02/24/500-price-reduction-for-the-nikon-d700-in-the-us-next-month.aspx/)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 25, 2012, 04:55:44 PM
@retina
      Mukhang tatlong Tera nga ,,, mag aabang nalang tayo nito ng holiday sale. Hello Best Buy.

@meister
    Yupppp dropped mine to $1.8K ahehehehe kulang nalang pamigay!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 25, 2012, 05:46:30 PM
Sir, Im wondering how will the face detection feature reacts to subject that are not persons face? say wild life (birds) these are the common problems you cant control in the field, shooting on a back lit subject.

Thanks

I think if you are shooting a flock of birds or birds in flight, use the dynamic-area AF. You have 3 options to use: 9-point, 21-point and 51-point. The selected AF point and the surrounding points keep your subject in sharp focus even if it briefly leaves the selected points.

3D-tracking allows you to maintain focus on subjects that are moving erratically from side to side.

Auto area AF detects human faces and prioritizes their sharpness for you which is the ideal choice when taking candid photography.

You can always practice and use what works best for you in order to get more keeper shots.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 25, 2012, 05:49:12 PM
I know this is the D800 thread, but those who want to upgrade to a D700 are in luck... brand new price in the States will drop $500. I'm sure Hong Kong and the like will also drop their prices soon. Which also means that those who want to unload their D700 units have to price drop significantly as well.

[url]http://nikonrumors.com/2012/02/24/500-price-reduction-for-the-nikon-d700-in-the-us-next-month.aspx/[/url] ([url]http://nikonrumors.com/2012/02/24/500-price-reduction-for-the-nikon-d700-in-the-us-next-month.aspx/[/url])


Just like what I suspected. Buti nalang I already sold my D700 for a reasonable price loss after using it for 3 years.

To those who have been waiting for the D700 price to drop, this is the time to buy. If you don't want to deal with the larger file sizes of the D800, the D700 will be the camera to get without the video.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 25, 2012, 05:56:27 PM
@retina
    Hay salamat at I can still save 1024 tiff pics ahehehehehe. Wala bang Face detection thingy capability ang D3s ahehehehe

I don't think the D3s offered face detection; D7000 offered it when shooting video but it isn't really that robust.

We'll see how this improves the AF once they are out for initial test.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 25, 2012, 07:34:18 PM
I know this is the D800 thread, but those who want to upgrade to a D700 are in luck... brand new price in the States will drop $500. I'm sure Hong Kong and the like will also drop their prices soon. Which also means that those who want to unload their D700 units have to price drop significantly as well.

[url]http://nikonrumors.com/2012/02/24/500-price-reduction-for-the-nikon-d700-in-the-us-next-month.aspx/[/url] ([url]http://nikonrumors.com/2012/02/24/500-price-reduction-for-the-nikon-d700-in-the-us-next-month.aspx/[/url])

Mukhang affordable na nga.
Conservative estimate:
A dropped d700 price is USD 2200 x 43 pesos=94600 pesos =brand new kunting tiis pa d800 na... doon na lang ako sa bagong model na may kasamang video.

Pero kung second hand na mint= 94600 x 30% depreciation (why 30 %? Yon sa tingin ko  ang fair sa akin)=28,380 pesos
So, 94600-28380= Php 66220. Tapos medyo baratan baratan pa baka pwedenga 60K and below.
Pero 60K sa second hand na d700 parang OK pa rin kung d800 na lang kung mga 130K lang. Pero kung 150K di sa abroad na lang o kaya used d700.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on February 25, 2012, 09:21:53 PM
Wow price drop! Buti na lang nagpigil ako sa pagbili ng d700. :D

Mukhang magsisipag sa pagshoot ang mga Landscapers sa pinas pagdating ng d800 :)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 26, 2012, 08:16:06 PM
From NR: Translated Q&A session with Nikon France on the D4 and D800/E.

Q: I will buy a D4 and a D800E but already some agents do not advertise on Paris Pro possible delays of delivery! What exactly?
A: The D4 will be sold from March 15, 2012. The D800 from 22 March and D800E from April 12.

Q: You indicated previously that the D700 remained in the range, so we should not consider the D800 as his replacement
A: That's right.  :o :o :o


Read more on NikonRumors.com: http://nikonrumors.com/2012/02/25/translated-qa-session-with-nikon-france-on-the-d4-and-d800e.aspx/#ixzz1nUPL5K4I (http://nikonrumors.com/2012/02/25/translated-qa-session-with-nikon-france-on-the-d4-and-d800e.aspx/#ixzz1nUPL5K4I)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 26, 2012, 09:02:50 PM
From NR: Translated Q&A session with Nikon France on the D4 and D800/E.
Q: You indicated previously that the D700 remained in the range, so we should not consider the D800 as his replacement
A: That's right.  :o :o :o
Granting the two Camera companies are not conspiring( I have no proof that they are having), the d700 replacement depends on what Canon will bring. If the Canon 5dmk3 is very competitive then Nikon will release a lower MP ,talented hi-iso and all the features of a great video.That is why some rumors are circulating that Canon will release two version of 5D, the low MP and the high MP. I really hope that it is true and I wish Canon well... so Nikon will be forced to release the d700 replacement.It might be true that the d400 is an FX/DX cam too like the d800.The high DX segment seems to be hard to sell anymore with the advent of Nex7 and even the Nex5n at competitive price. Pero kwentong barbero lang yan na napupulot ko kung saan saan na baka likha ng mga panaginip ng mga Nikon fans!!! ;)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 26, 2012, 09:17:55 PM
@retina
     Keep it.comming, i like the part ng lower mp true d700 replacement.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 26, 2012, 09:35:39 PM
@retina
     Keep it.comming, i like the part ng lower mp true d700 replacement.

It is not going to be 12mp and not 36mp. Sony's sensor seems to be the only one that has not been utilized by Nikon which is the 24mp.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 26, 2012, 09:57:49 PM
@retina
     Keep it.comming, i like the part ng lower mp true d700 replacement.

Seems that I am just daydreaming.

It is not going to be 12mp and not 36mp. Sony's sensor seems to be the only one that has not been utilized by Nikon which is the 24mp.
Hmmmm kung mangarap at gising: Nikon d400, FX 24MP,DX mode 12 MP. D3s abilities, face recognition,Movie greats, 5 fps in FX mode, 6fps in DX mode, 7fps with grip. Ka presyo ng d300s when released. A replacement both for the d300s and d700. Looks like a fanboy wish list..Wala na bibili ng d4 at d800 nyan. Kaya gigising na ako!!!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 26, 2012, 10:07:55 PM

Lest we forget, Nikon always offered something like the D1x, D2xs and D3x along the lines of:

fast frame rate, a deep buffer and lots of megapixels - so, anyone interested in a D4x?  :) ;)

The D800 has a slow frame rate due to buffering system of 36mp but buffering difficulty never stopped Nikon before. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if Nikon has the D800xs already in the pipeline and might just put it as replacement for the D700 along the lines of reduced full-frame RAW format, say from 36mp back to 24mp in FF.

Why would anyone want a fast frame rate with high mp count? Sports, air shows, birding, fashion shoots, advertisement/magazine portraits where models are constantly moving for example, Sports Illustrated Swimwear shoots, etc.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 26, 2012, 10:10:40 PM
Seems that I am just daydreaming.
Hmmmm kung mangarap at gising: Nikon d400, FX 24MP,DX mode 12 MP. D3s abilities, face recognition,Movie greats, 5 fps in FX mode, 6fps in DX mode, 7fps with grip. Ka presyo ng d300s when released. A replacement both for the d300s and d700. Looks like a fanboy wish list..Wala na bibili ng d4 at d800 nyan. Kaya gigising na ako!!!

It sounds ideal but Nikon need to differentiate its pro line and prosumer market.  Something equally or 1 stop better than the D700 with 24mp will make most users happy. Of course this is assuming that you still get the weather sealing, robust AF and video.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on February 26, 2012, 10:19:00 PM
all i want is a D700 that can shoot video, thats all  :o :o :o

a mix between the D700 and the D7000. 18MP makes me happy na, believe it or not. 12MP is already enough for me.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 26, 2012, 10:21:27 PM
Lest we forget, Nikon always offered something like the D1x, D2xs and D3x along the lines of:

fast frame rate, a deep buffer and lots of megapixels - so, anyone interested in a D4x?  :) ;)

Here is what David D. Busch answer to this question on the other forum:

Quote "The D3x existed in a Nikon world where the other two FX cameras were the D3 (and later the D3s) and D700, both at 12MP. So, the D3x had an edge in both megapixels and rugged pro body/pro controls over the D700, and virtually nothing more than a resolution boost over the original D3.

A D4x would be born into a world where a 36MP D800/D800E already exists, so its chief advantage would logically need to be a bit more than just the pro body, even given the extra stuff found in the current D4. That said, there would likely be more than a few pros who would want the D4x on that basis. But for broader appeal, I'd think Nikon would have to either price the D4x attractively (definitely less than $8000) and closer to the D4, or else boost the MP count even more.

The latter doesn't seem to be impossible, given that the D3x performed best at lower ISO settings; a D4x with a top sensitivity of, say, ISO 1600 and 48MP might be alluring for some. Just because I can't visualize a need for such a camera (a 48MP D4x would not be the same as a 48MP MF camera) might simply mean that I am short-sighted.

I have a vague feeling that a D4x might be in Nikon's plans, and I'm looking forward to seeing its specs and learning just why it might be a good idea. Isn't the technology race fun?" end quote.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 26, 2012, 10:25:39 PM
It sounds ideal but Nikon need to differentiate its pro line and prosumer market.  Something equally or 1 stop better than the D700 with 24mp will make most users happy. Of course this is assuming that you still get the weather sealing, robust AF and video.
I just remember the d7K....it was not a d90 or a d300s. It was not lesser nor better than the d300s.The advantage of d300s was a large buffer, AF and a little more but the d7k has something more too.In other words, it was just the d7K not a replacement of any cam but a new model.Perhaps the d300s and d700 will never be replaced after all. Those models will rest on their merits and will give way to a new version like the d800/E.The d4 can easily be said as the d3s replacement. All of this mixing and matching I believe really depends on the competition. Our hope greatly rest on the 5dMK3!!! Canon please release the 5dMK3 now and hope Nikon will pee on their pants. ;D ;)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 26, 2012, 10:26:37 PM
Glenn,

The Face Detection that is going to be in the D800 is different from what is in other camera makers.

Other camera makers utilize the Face Detect simply for focusing, or specifically to re-direct the focusing points where the faces are to keep the faces in focus. The background highlights are still burned, as you can see from the images shot with regular P&S and dslr's where shooters don't use flashes.

Against the sun or any scene with bright background highlights is difficult for strobists. You have to overpower the sun and/or augment the faces with reflectors. Simply carrying a flash and lighting up the face is not enough, as this results in proper facial exposure but burned background highlights.

Overpowering the sun with flash is always a challenge for strobists. I think the D800 facial metering will be one of the unheralded features that shooters will soon appreciate when they start shooting with it.

Here's the info from Nikon:

"Thanks to the 91K-pixel RGB sensor, the D800/D800E have far more detailed scene information at its disposal — including detected face information. This data helps the 3D color matrix metering III deliver more desirable auto exposures, especially when there are human faces present. When the D800/D800E detect a human face in a backlit situation, the camera determines the overall exposure while prioritizing the facial exposure, which might otherwise be underexposed. . When a face is lit from the front and appears much brighter than the background the camera determines the overall exposure while prioritizing the facial exposure, the camera recognizes the situation and avoids blowing out the facial details."

(http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d800/img/features01/img_15.png)

(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/02/uk-electronics/shops/nikon/Aplus/d800_bride.jpg)

(http://www.vistek.ca/marketing/procentre/nikon/images/d800a.jpg)

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 26, 2012, 10:47:22 PM
Glenn,

The Face Detection that is going to be in the D800 is different from what is in other camera makers.
 I think the D800 facial metering will be one of the unheralded features that shooters will soon appreciate when they start shooting with it.
Is this available with the d4 too?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 26, 2012, 10:55:32 PM
Is this available with the d4 too?

It is available on the D4 too but the description is worded differently. I would guess that since the D800 is a prosumer camera, facial metering has more emphasis. On the D4, the emphasis is more on redirecting focus on the body to meter to derive exposure for Facial Detect as it is assumed that pros know how to meter the face, overpower the sun, and need more help in critical AF.

Here is the D4 Face Detect description, note the difference in emphasis of facial exposure for D800 and body AF for D4. The assumption for D4 is that if the AF is spot on, the exposure will follow (assuming you are a pro know the principles of overpowering bright backgrounds with your choice of lighting, aperture, and lens.):

D4 Facial Detect

"It focuses on a subject's body when the face is out of the AF area. Better auto exposures can be anticipated with Nikon's 3D color matrix metering III, even in situations where exposure compensation is required, such as a dark face against a bright background or conversely, a bright face against a dark background. With the D4's enhanced i-TTL balanced fill-flash paired with Nikon Speedlight(s), human faces can be illuminated in relation to their surroundings with outstanding precision. Moreover, face detection, when paired with Active D-Lighting, delivers images that retain highlights and shadows in high-contrast scenarios, making faces look as they are seen, whether in sunlight or shade."
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 26, 2012, 10:59:49 PM
It is available on the D4 too but the description is worded differently. I would guess that since the D800 is a prosumer camera, facial metering has more emphasis. On the D4, the emphasis is more on the AF Facial Detect as it is assumed that pros know how to meter the face, overpower the sun, and need more help in critical AF.

Here is the D4 Face Detect description, note the difference in emphasis of facial exposure for D800 and facial AF for D4. The assumption for D4 is that if the AF is spot on, the exposure will follow (assuming you are a pro know the principles of overpowering bright backgrounds with your choice of lighting, aperture, and lens.):

D4 Facial Detect

"It focuses on a subject's body when the face is out of the AF area. Better auto exposures can be anticipated with Nikon's 3D color matrix metering III, even in situations where exposure compensation is required, such as a dark face against a bright background or conversely, a bright face against a dark background. With the D4's enhanced i-TTL balanced fill-flash paired with Nikon Speedlight(s), human faces can be illuminated in relation to their surroundings with outstanding precision. Moreover, face detection, when paired with Active D-Lighting, delivers images that retain highlights and shadows in high-contrast scenarios, making faces look as they are seen, whether in sunlight or shade."
I bet it the same Banana as the d800. Glenn, could have cancelled his preordered d4.. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 26, 2012, 11:05:56 PM
I seldom do portraits or take images of people in parties/street but when I do, facial metering is one of the features I will pay an arm and leg for. It takes a lot of experience and images shot to get a handle for spot metering the face, calculating the lighting ratios for back, side, and front shadows/highlights.

Imagine having all that in one button, "Face Detect" and come out with an image with properly exposed face, clean shadows (no noise), and no burned out highlights, with or without flashes/reflectors.

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 26, 2012, 11:12:51 PM
I seldom do portraits or take images of people in parties/street but when I do, facial metering is one of the features I will pay an arm and leg for. It takes a lot of experience and images shot to get a handle for spot metering the face, calculating the lighting ratios for back, side, and front shadows/highlights.

Imagine having all that in one button, "Face Detect" and come out with an image with properly exposed face, clean shadows (no noise), and no burned out highlights, with or without flashes/reflectors.


I hope this feature works with dark skinned subject too. ang hirap mag meter sa maitim!!No offense meant ,please.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 26, 2012, 11:48:35 PM
I hope this feature works with dark skinned subject too. ang hirap mag meter sa maitim!!No offense meant ,please.

Incident meter and meter off a white or black object na suot ng maitim na subject. Easier typed than done! LOL ;) For practical purposes with a Nikon dslr, I just spot meter suot na whitest or darkest object ng maitim na subject and Zone it.

Kaya nga of all the features I am willing to pay an arm and a leg for, facial metering is one na I won't even hesitate to fork the money over. The rest of other features - high megapixel count - andiyan yung Genuine Fractals for resizing; High ISO - fast lens and Imagenomic for Noise Suppresion; Dynamic Range - well, how often we've seen people post images of a 15-18 Exposure Valued images? etc.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junji on February 27, 2012, 02:23:15 AM
Pero kwentong barbero lang yan na napupulot ko kung saan saan na baka likha ng mga panaginip ng mga Nikon fans!!! ;)

Ha ha. Di bale, panaginip man paminsan-minsan nangyayari din!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 27, 2012, 05:41:32 AM
I bet it the same Banana as the d800. Glenn, could have cancelled his preordered d4.. ;D ;D ;D


Doc - there is no turning back for me. These are all extra features that I may or may not need/use but my primary consideration was the cleaner images at higher ISO, built-in grip and higher fps.

Granted that these new cameras are not going to make anyone a better photographer but it will definitely make it "easier" for those who will have them particularly when shooting in a difficult or challenging scenes.

I can see the benefit on having this face detect feature on various shooting conditions such as in a theater or stage show were the spotlights makes it difficult to get the right exposure on the performer's face. Hindi na spray and pray like what I did on this picture below.

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7026/6728230451_002a2c19c4_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/24917880@N02/6728230451/)
Hula Hoops (http://www.flickr.com/photos/24917880@N02/6728230451/#) by gqtuazon (http://www.flickr.com/people/24917880@N02/), on Flickr

 
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 27, 2012, 04:42:27 PM
"Q: Hello, what is your target of D800, knowing that the sensor 36Mpx away significantly from its little brother the D700, which one of the selling points was: little MP to a size of photosites more large, resulting in better sensitivity. What about this statement with this new 36Mpx?
A: You are right, the D700 offers little MPx for high sensitivity (reportage, low light ...).
The D800, on the other hand is for those seeking an extremely fine detail rendering (landscape, architecture, fashion, portrait ...)

Q: Is the D700 will be discontinued??
A: No, the D700 remains in the lineup."

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 27, 2012, 05:10:17 PM
"Q: Hello, what is your target of D800, knowing that the sensor 36Mpx away significantly from its little brother the D700, which one of the selling points was: little MP to a size of photosites more large, resulting in better sensitivity. What about this statement with this new 36Mpx?
A: You are right, the D700 offers little MPx for high sensitivity (reportage, low light ...).
The D800, on the other hand is for those seeking an extremely fine detail rendering (landscape, architecture, fashion, portrait ...)

Q: Is the D700 will be discontinued??
A: No, the D700 remains in the lineup."


Sometimes, I don't understand the translation. Parang putol putol tapos kulang!!!Pwede kasing ang sagot eh" No, the d700 remains in the lineup until the stock will last". There are no production of d700 in Japan anymore. Dahil yong battery nya ay di na compliant sa new law.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 27, 2012, 07:18:26 PM
Yan din ang naisip ko about sa battery issue.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junji on February 27, 2012, 08:44:54 PM
And somebody here before linked a Nikon Japan site indicating that D700 and D300s as discontinued product already. I am a little bit confused now.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 27, 2012, 08:58:20 PM
And somebody here before linked a Nikon Japan site indicating that D700 and D300s as discontinued product already. I am a little bit confused now.


Here, from Nikon's official Japanese web site - listing of discontinued products:

http://www.nikon-image.com/products/discontinue/camera/ (http://www.nikon-image.com/products/discontinue/camera/)

You can use the Google translator but the impt thing is that both the D700 and D300s are listed as discontinued products.

Nikon is on-target with industry's product cycling of 2-4 years model lifespan. I do understand that some buyers prefer to have the latest model irregardless if the newest model performs better or worse than model it replaced as long as they have the latest ok na. My suggestion is ignore the model naming and look at the performance and features of the camera. Nikon's support is one of industry's best, heck I even have some of my lenses that are 50+ years old and they're happy to clean, adjust, and service it.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 27, 2012, 09:32:26 PM
The other thing is that on France's Nikon website, the D700 and D300s are both listed as current products:

http://www.nikon.fr/fr_FR/products/product_summary_list.page?sParamValueLbl=Appareils%20photo%20num%C3%A9riques&sParam1ValueLbl=Reflex%20num%C3%A9riques&sSubnav2ParamLbl=Professionel&ParamValue=Digital+Cameras&Subnav1Param=SLR&Subnav2Param=Professional&Subnav3Param=0&RunQuery=l3&ID=0 (http://www.nikon.fr/fr_FR/products/product_summary_list.page?sParamValueLbl=Appareils%20photo%20num%C3%A9riques&sParam1ValueLbl=Reflex%20num%C3%A9riques&sSubnav2ParamLbl=Professionel&ParamValue=Digital+Cameras&Subnav1Param=SLR&Subnav2Param=Professional&Subnav3Param=0&RunQuery=l3&ID=0)

So you also have to look where the interviewed person is coming from (France). He has to support his local distributors who probably have to sell their current inventory of D700 and D300s. This is probably the reason why he is saying their are still current, legally basing on their current website (Nikon France).

Where is the confusion someone might ask? None, if you look at it from his local (France) marketing point of view.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 27, 2012, 10:25:18 PM
Help move the product para totally DISCONTINUED,,period. aheheheeh
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 27, 2012, 10:55:38 PM
Nikon's support is one of industry's best, heck I even have some of my lenses that are 50+ years old and they're happy to clean, adjust, and service it.
Bring that service here  and this place will be a Nikon land for not so long. While, there is no real or professional service center in the Philippines, Canon will continue to dominate the Philippines. CDSC? What can I say?

Where is the confusion someone might ask? None, if you look at it from his local (France) marketing point of view.
There was some  but then there is none now after you pointed it out ;D ;D. Thanks Thor.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on February 27, 2012, 11:41:41 PM
When discontinued does it mean they won't even do repairs, replace parts etc?
How about those with Nikon 5-year warranty?

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 28, 2012, 12:34:35 AM
When discontinued does it mean they won't even do repairs, replace parts etc?
How about those with Nikon 5-year warranty?




Discontinued means the factory stopped making them. To be specific, discontinue means stop assembling the specific model (for example, D700). They will still make the parts for it for service purposes. Nikon will service, repair, replace parts (if still available) the cam and lens. The 5-year warranty is valid (if unit is bought from authorized dealer).

I've always said that Nikon has one of the best service support in the industry. Let me share here a specific example (I know OT na talaga but the question above needs a thorough answer): a few of my UV-IR fellow photographers perform their own conversions of cams. One D700 have to be opened and closed several times to specifically look into the "IR shutter monitor" issue. Of course, when you open and close a cam several times, you invite problems to occur (like short circuiting the sensor board) and it did. Eventually, the D700 have to be sent back to Nikon and Nikon took the D700 back and repaired it. Link to the "IR shutter monitor issue": http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/2011/02/new-shutter-control-unit-seems-to-spoil.html (http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/2011/02/new-shutter-control-unit-seems-to-spoil.html)

That is the definition of excellent customer service and support for me - when the company is willing to back up their product kahit anong ginawa mo outside of the stated tolerances and purposes of the product.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 28, 2012, 02:18:12 AM
Bring that service here  and this place will be a Nikon land for not so long. While, there is no real or professional service center in the Philippines, Canon will continue to dominate the Philippines. CDSC? What can I say?


Doc, when was the last time your Nikon completely failed on you and you needed an official service center? :)

Saka enjoy ako magshoot diyan sa Pinas napapaligiran ng Canon shooters. Lalo na yung D7000 ko nakasalpak sa lens mount niya yung Canon FL 50mm 1.2.... hehehehehe...

Seriously, hindi ako Nikon fanboy. I call Nikon out pagpalpak sila. However, and stating I can only speak from own experience, my Nikons are built like tanks. My D200 logged more than 250,000 miles airborne. That is significant kasi yung vibration ng eroplano while nasa taas is not good for small electronics with tight tolerances (for example, AF mechanism). My D200 is still accurate and still my back-up cam.

I opened my D1x and D40 to remove the ICF filters, and I shot the D1x for IR for a year without any covering sa sensor niya, yung D40 for 3 months. Naging near-sighted yung cams due to naked sensor but they worked. The D1x bare sensor got dusts on it and I just cleaned it with air.

I think the best analogy for my experience with Nikon is that Nikon thinks like photographers: "get the exposure right" and the rest will follow. Meaning, it is rare that you catch Nikon with its pants down when they release a product. Probably this is also the reason why Nikon is perceived as a step behind sa ibang manufacturers when it comes to introducing new cams. Again, perception lang yun.

Yung mga lumang lente ko I send them to Nikon dahil walang gaya ng Hidalgo dito sa NYC. Mas mahal pa pagpinadala ko sa ibang states for servicing ng 3rd party technicians so mas convenient sa akin sa Nikon ko ipa-service.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: litogoz on February 28, 2012, 03:19:53 AM
Nikon's support is one of industry's best, heck I even have some of my lenses that are 50+ years old and they're happy to clean, adjust, and service it.

Hi Thor. I wish Nikon had the same fervor of support locally. Last year out of curiosity, I asked Nikon Megamall/CDSC if they can clean/service my F2. They declined saying that their techs are trained to service & repair only the current electronic cams & lenses. Geez. Sure, there are other local persons/shops that can repair/service my Nikon manual cams & lenses. It's just that you expect more from Nikon's local distributor especially since Nikon touts the compatibility of current cams with it's 5O+ years of F-mount lenses.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 28, 2012, 04:35:24 AM
Hi Thor. I wish Nikon had the same fervor of support locally. Last year out of curiosity, I asked Nikon Megamall/CDSC if they can clean/service my F2. They declined saying that their techs are trained to service & repair only the current electronic cams & lenses. Geez. Sure, there are other local persons/shops that can repair/service my Nikon manual cams & lenses. It's just that you expect more from Nikon's local distributor especially since Nikon touts the compatibility of current cams with it's 5O+ years of F-mount lenses.

Doc Lito, that is a big disappointment for me, too. One thing that Nikon CDSC could have done is see if they can outsource the repair of old film cams and lenses to the local talents (yung nasa Hidalgo or Cubao) that have experiences on repairing those old Nikons. I have a suspicion kasi that for Nikon USA (East Coast side) na yan ang practice nila. They probably send the old Nikkors and Nikon film bodies to one or two local shops for repair and spare the in-house technicians of additional training in repairing those old units.

I can understand that Nikon CDSC might have limited technicians on board and their training is limited to current Nikons. But, outsourcing the repair of old lenses and film cams will provide jobs also to the local talents na alam na nila ginagawa nila. For parts that are not available anymore then they can be upfront to the customer and say clean & adjustment lang kaya nilang gawin.

Customer service is also about perception. When we sense that the company we are dealing with is pro-active in providing good and quality service, we tend to perceive them in more positive terms.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Chaserjzx100 on February 28, 2012, 04:45:31 AM
Quote
outsource the repair of old film cams and lenses to the local talents (yung nasa Hidalgo or Cubao)

I don't think this would happen, technicians there in hidalgo alone earns much more than those technicians in malls and even in canon itself. Most of them earns around 2k per day of work and they are also freelance and not tied down to the shops there.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 28, 2012, 04:58:39 AM
oppsss........break!!! We are swaying out of the topic...nice discussion though but let us go back to the d800 now.I hope people who preordered their units will received theirs soon.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 28, 2012, 05:26:39 AM
Even if you have not made the purchase of your D800E yet Doc A, here is a link for you (digitutor from Nikon). It demonstrates the initial settings, menu familiarization, live view operation, and video recording using the D800 camera.

http://www.nikondigitutor.com/eng/d800/index.html (http://www.nikondigitutor.com/eng/d800/index.html)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: benrubes on February 28, 2012, 11:47:09 AM
Doc Lito, that is a big disappointment for me, too. One thing that Nikon CDSC could have done is see if they can outsource the repair of old film cams and lenses to the local talents (yung nasa Hidalgo or Cubao) that have experiences on repairing those old Nikons. I have a suspicion kasi that for Nikon USA (East Coast side) na yan ang practice nila. They probably send the old Nikkors and Nikon film bodies to one or two local shops for repair and spare the in-house technicians of additional training in repairing those old units.

I can understand that Nikon CDSC might have limited technicians on board and their training is limited to current Nikons. But, outsourcing the repair of old lenses and film cams will provide jobs also to the local talents na alam na nila ginagawa nila. For parts that are not available anymore then they can be upfront to the customer and say clean & adjustment lang kaya nilang gawin.

Customer service is also about perception. When we sense that the company we are dealing with is pro-active in providing good and quality service, we tend to perceive them in more positive terms.

Mga padre, kumusta na kayo? long time no post. Hope everything is ok with my idols.

With the indulgence of Doc A, to continue lang the off-topic just a bit more.

Ganun din naman sa Canon, Lito, they cannot do daw my Canon A1 and rangefinders because their technicians do not know how anymore --sa digital na lang sila marunong. I think you got na from me yung details ni James Uy, Lito? For old film gear, he is the best I have found. Kahit exotics and mga Leica he can do very well.

Back to on topic: I am waiting for the D800, Prof. But since am very happy pa din with the D700 and don't really need the enhanced capability, don't think I will be among the early adopters. Target ko pa din would be a much smaller cam muna like the NEX7, just to scratch that new gear itch. Kung makalusot --estrikto na kasi yung internal auditor ko e.  Cheers all!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on February 28, 2012, 08:54:34 PM
Mga padre, kumusta na kayo? long time no post. Hope everything is ok with my idols.

With the indulgence of Doc A, to continue lang the off-topic just a bit more.

Ganun din naman sa Canon, Lito, they cannot do daw my Canon A1 and rangefinders because their technicians do not know how anymore --sa digital na lang sila marunong. I think you got na from me yung details ni James Uy, Lito? For old film gear, he is the best I have found. Kahit exotics and mga Leica he can do very well.

Back to on topic: I am waiting for the D800, Prof. But since am very happy pa din with the D700 and don't really need the enhanced capability, don't think I will be among the early adopters. Target ko pa din would be a much smaller cam muna like the NEX7, just to scratch that new gear itch. Kung makalusot --estrikto na kasi yung internal auditor ko e.  Cheers all!


Ruben! Kailan tayo punta Makati Av for some serious hydration???!! LOL  :D

Yep, lagi akong na-O-OT kasi ang hirap iwanan yung mga tanong minsan na talagang OT pero I know a little bit of indulgence and a couple of minutes of our time answering the question eh hopefully makatulong.

I am on the fence rin about the D800. The only thing that can convince me na bilhin yun eh if that Face Detection metering without blowing out the background highlights really works. Yung D4 naman is too big for my style. I spent some time shooting with D3 a year ago and I still have my dinosaur D1x. Handholding the pro-bodies is an exercise in self-flagellation.

The NEX-7 high megapixel count scares the heck out of me, seriously, 'pre. Invitation talaga yun more motion blur unless you mount that thing on a monopod. Speaking of monopod (for the D800 and the likes), dalawa ang laging nasa trunk ng sasakyan ko - isang patpatin na Manfrotto (skinny and tall, Charlize Theron style ;D) saka isang buffed-up na Gitzo (full-body with serious curves, ala Kate Upton).

Most probably, for the D800 (if I get it), I'll pair it with my Kate Upton monopod. ;D ;D ;D

http://www.kateupton.com/ (http://www.kateupton.com/)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwM4fborwJk# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwM4fborwJk#)

****
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 28, 2012, 09:09:20 PM
Ruben! Kailan tayo punta Makati Av for some serious hydration???!! LOL  :D

Yep, lagi akong na-O-OT kasi ang hirap iwanan yung mga tanong minsan na talagang OT pero I know a little bit of indulgence and a couple of minutes of our time answering the question eh hopefully makatulong.

I am on the fence rin about the D800. The only thing that can convince me na bilhin yun eh if that Face Detection metering without blowing out the background highlights really works. Yung D4 naman is too big for my style. I spent some time shooting with D3 a year ago and I still have my dinosaur D1x. Handholding the pro-bodies is an exercise in self-flagellation.

The NEX-7 high megapixel count scares the heck out of me, seriously, 'pre. Invitation talaga yun more motion blur unless you mount that thing on a monopod. Speaking of monopod (for the D800 and the likes), dalawa ang laging nasa trunk ng sasakyan ko - isang patpatin na Manfrotto (skinny and tall, Charlize Theron style ;D) saka isang buffed-up na Gitzo (full-body with serious curves, ala Kate Upton).

Most probably, for the D800 (if I get it), I'll pair it with my Kate Upton monopod. ;D ;D ;D

[url]http://www.kateupton.com/[/url] ([url]http://www.kateupton.com/[/url])

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwM4fborwJk#[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwM4fborwJk#[/url])

****

The thing that keep me from taking the d800 is "nahihiya ako sa sarili ko" at sa d7000 na body ko. The d7k seems to be talking to me," dyan ka na naman uupgrade ka naman tapos iiwan mo na ako". "Di mo ma nga ako namaster nang kahit sa 20 percent man lang.Sa tingin mo mamaoptimized mo yong d800?"...Ouchhhh........ ;D :D ;) ::).
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: yourdone on February 28, 2012, 09:20:34 PM
Sa Japan lang ata na discontinue ang D300s at D700 dahil sa baterya dahil sa bagung regulations di ba? Kasama dapat yung D3s pero nadispensahan kasi naearthquake yung paglabas ng D4.
Pero globally, tulad sa Europe (Nikon FR ambassador yan ininterview di ba?) meron pa ren. Mukha lang na discontinue ren globally kasi nawalan ng stock sa taas ng demand at dahil sa earthquake.

Mukha nga talagang D3x ang pinapalitan ng D800 kung papatuloy pa ren yung D700 tapos may price cut pa, pero kahit sa HK wala pa balita sa price cut kahit HK$15500 na lang ang 5D tapos nasa HK$17-18000 pa ren ang D700.
Wala pa ren SRP nilalabas sa HK, TBA pa ren.

@Thor sige sayo na si Kate Upton, akin si Nina Agdal ha!  :D

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 29, 2012, 11:10:12 AM
Kelan kaya start D800 release sa US?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: yourdone on February 29, 2012, 01:28:16 PM
Kelan kaya start D800 release sa US?

May mga preorders na ma fu-fulfill ng March 22 sabi ni Shneur nung nagtanung ako kung kelan expected arrival date kung mag preorder ako tsaka siyempre mga order ng mga NPS members. Pero malamang walang available for retail kasi hindi nila alam kugn ilan daw ang share nila sa initial shipments. Tsaka may marami-rami ren daw na mga NPS members na sa B&H kinukuha yugn order nila via NPS (pero di counted sa allotment nila).
Sa Yodobashi at MapCamera same date ren ang advise nila pero magkakaroon ren sila ng 28-300VR kit, sa Japan lang ata meron ng ganitong kit at release date.
Sa HK wala silang idea, sa New Sankyo man o sa Suntek kahit yung malalaking stores like ManShing/WingShing at Tin Cheung kahit presyo e TBA pa.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 29, 2012, 02:03:49 PM
The thing that keep me from taking the d800 is "nahihiya ako sa sarili ko" at sa d7000 na body ko. The d7k seems to be talking to me," dyan ka na naman uupgrade ka naman tapos iiwan mo na ako". "Di mo ma nga ako namaster nang kahit sa 20 percent man lang.Sa tingin mo mamaoptimized mo yong d800?"...Ouchhhh........ ;D :D ;) ::).

Dedmahan nalang muna with D7k Doc A.

Inggit lang si D7k kay D800. Pero sa akin naman, hindi si D7000 ang nagsasalita kung hindi si misis! (LOL!) ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 29, 2012, 02:17:11 PM
Dedmahan nalang muna with D7k Doc A.

Inggit lang si D7k kay D800. Pero sa akin naman, hindi si D7000 ang nagsasalita kung hindi si misis! (LOL!) ;D


Bakit nga ba ganyan sila Misis aehehheehe
Relative seguro sila ahehehehe
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 29, 2012, 02:50:26 PM
Sa Yodobashi at MapCamera same date ren ang advise nila pero magkakaroon ren sila ng 28-300VR kit, sa Japan lang ata meron ng ganitong kit at release date.


(http://image.yodobashi.com/promotion/a/1560/200000015000026961/SD_200000015000026961510B1.jpg)

D800E: April 12, 2012.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 29, 2012, 03:02:37 PM

Most probably, for the D800 (if I get it), I'll pair it with my Kate Upton monopod. ;D ;D ;D

[url]http://www.kateupton.com/[/url] ([url]http://www.kateupton.com/[/url])


Natalo kaagad ako. I only lasted for 3 seconds!  :o :o ;D

D4 is still advertised to release on 15March according to amazon.co.jp.


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Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 29, 2012, 05:00:21 PM
Dedmahan nalang muna with D7k Doc A.

Inggit lang si D7k kay D800. Pero sa akin naman, hindi si D7000 ang nagsasalita kung hindi si misis! (LOL!) ;D
Si kate upton yong d7k ko,laban kayo sa titigan?
I think the d800 thread will get nowhere until the first unit will land on anybody's hand here or on junaquino's hand!!! ;D ;D . Kahit yong first few shots lang jun bago mo isauli.Huwag kang patalo sa titigan baka di mo na masauli at lagot ka kay misis. 

About the OT here: If you are trying to divert it a little bit be sure to drive it back to the original course.BTW, stop clicking the kateupton thread. It is a mind trick and you might fall into buying the d800. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 29, 2012, 05:08:47 PM
Ang hirap lang sa BnH pre-order wala kasing update on the D800 kaya sa Nikon rumors naang ako nakiki update. Di ako magdadalawang isip na isauli pag di kaya ng powers ko. Balik IR nalang muna ako while ipon para sa D3S,,,, yan eh kung di maganda honeymoon namin ng D800.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: yourdone on February 29, 2012, 05:18:36 PM
I'm anxious to see whether the D800 will better the D3x's 14 stop dynamic range and by how much.

Some reviewers are already mentioning that the D7000/D5100 sensor is quite close to D3x dynamic range, will this translate to FX with the new sensor as well or will we see performance something more like what happened to Sony 24mp APS-C that it could not better the 16mp's dynamic range?
How much has FX sensor tech developed assuming Sony has focused more on developing the 2 recent APS-C sensors while everything seems to be quiet on Sony's full frame scene.

If you are a D3x owner, if the dynamic range of the D800 is the same as your D3x, will you still give up the camera you bought for $8000?
I'm wondering because I'm now seeing more and more pros selling their D3x and I assume it's because of the D800 and not the D4. Is the D800 really that much better considering what little we know of it already?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 29, 2012, 07:36:42 PM
Itatali ba ako sa tripod nitong D800?

"The superior resolution of the D800/D800E makes small
amounts of focus blur more obvious. Select a shutter speed
slightly faster than you would choose when photographing
the same subject with other cameras."

"Use a tripod to reduce blur when
photographing static subjects. It
should be as sturdy as possible;
avoid extending the legs or center
column farther than necessary. A
large head helps keep the camera
steady."
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: yourdone on February 29, 2012, 09:26:05 PM
Euro prices and kits are out for the D800

D800 body only EUR2799 or around 170kPhp
D800+MB-D12   EUR3249 or around 190kPhp
D800+24-70 kit EUR4275 or around 250kPhp
D800E body only EUR3149
D800E+MB-D12   EUR3589
D800E+24-70 kit EUR4609
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on February 29, 2012, 09:35:04 PM
Euro prices and kits are out for the D800

D800 body only EUR2799 or around 170kPhp
D800+MB-D12   EUR3249 or around 190kPhp
D800+24-70 kit EUR4275 or around 250kPhp
D800E body only EUR3149
D800E+MB-D12   EUR3589
D800E+24-70 kit EUR4609

Masyado mahal sa 170k, sana iba pricing ng pinas :(
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 29, 2012, 09:40:58 PM
D800  = 170kPhp
170kPhp / 43Php ($ exchange rate)
$3953

BnH D800 inclusive of tax = $3250+

Kung mali man computation ko pasensiya na wala,,, pang tulog.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on February 29, 2012, 09:51:56 PM
Best value for FX is still the D700.

D800 for a more robust features.

Wala talagang bagong updates until they start shipping them.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on February 29, 2012, 09:59:01 PM
The more I read the technical guide the more na naiitimidate ako sa D800,,, concern ako sa blurry pics and mas ina-advise ba na gumamit ng tripod?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: edy_tanguilig on February 29, 2012, 10:45:29 PM
Masyado mahal sa 170k, sana iba pricing ng pinas :(


mali yung computation niyan ngayon..that was done in 1 euro =60 pesos
exchange rate now is at 57.10..

last 2 weeks ago nasa 54pesos to a euro pa kami..making it more cheaper to buy here than at home.

2799 x 57.10=159888.2 for body only
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: chaloy on February 29, 2012, 11:03:27 PM
mali yung computation niyan ngayon..that was done in 1 euro =60 pesos
exchange rate now is at 57.10..

last 2 weeks ago nasa 54pesos to a euro pa kami..making it more cheaper to buy here than at home.

2799 x 57.10=159888.2 for body only

kasama na yata yung VAT sa euro price, baka cheaper pagdating dito
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on February 29, 2012, 11:12:31 PM
The more I read the technical guide the more na naiitimidate ako sa D800,,, concern ako sa blurry pics and mas ina-advise ba na gumamit ng tripod?
Relax lang Jun, ganon din yan sa d7000. Gusto mo critical sharpness , magtripod ka. Pero sa general fun photography you can handhold yan. Kahit nga sa mga P@S pagnilagay mo sa tripod at maganda lighting malinao naman di ba? Mind setting lang ng Nikon yan para magpractice ng good technique yong nga would be d800 owners.
mali yung computation niyan ngayon..that was done in 1 euro =60 pesos
exchange rate now is at 57.10..

last 2 weeks ago nasa 54pesos to a euro pa kami..making it more cheaper to buy here than at home.

2799 x 57.10=159888.2 for body only
Di ako bibili ng ganon kamahal,maghihintay ako na bumaba.Mahal talaga pag unang labas.Yong x10 nga dati 32k, ngayon 26k na lang sa Hidalgo.Maghintay hintay na lang, malay mo makatsamba tayo ng mint condition na d700 o kaya d3s.
I want a 2 body setup para di na patangal tangal ng lenses.Kaya my ambition is 2bodies with 24-70 and 70-200 , sb900 and a tripod. OK na yan. My battle plan. Look for a d700 this year. Then next year when the prices of the d800 stabilized I will sell my d7000. My ambitious set up will be d700/d800/24-70-200 a heavy "P@S" like combination.In between my war path, I will look at the Oly OM-5 or the fuji xpro1 as my light setup.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: techie.gadget on February 29, 2012, 11:21:58 PM
Relax lang Jun, ganon din yan sa d7000. Gusto mo critical sharpness , magtripod ka. Pero sa general fun photography you can handhold yan. Kahit nga sa mga P@S pagnilagay mo sa tripod at maganda lighting malinao naman di ba? Mind setting lang ng Nikon yan para magpractice ng good technique yong nga would be d800 owners.

Tama si Doc. Ideal na gumamit ng tripod pero huwag matakot i-handhold ang D800.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: yourdone on February 29, 2012, 11:40:48 PM
Kasama na nga ang VAT sa Euro prices, tsaka rounded up na yung mga nilista kong equivalency kaya nilagay ko around, yung reported Forex rates are mean of buy and sell, when you transact iba ang buy rate sa sell rate.
Mas mahal talaga sa Europe ang prices hindi lang sa VAT, may add'l taxes involved tulad nung classification na nag limit sa D4 na less than 30 mins yung video kasi taxed na siya as video camera kung lalagpas.


Lista uli naten lahat ng MSRP

Japan (includes tax)
D800 body JPY268200
D800E body JPY313200
D800 28-300VR kit JPY356400

US (excludes sales tax as it varies per state)
D800 body USD2999.95
D800E Body USD3299.95
MB-D12 grip USD449.95

Eurozone pricing (includes VAT)
D800 body only EUR2799
D800+MB-D12   EUR3249
D800+24-70 kit EUR4275
D800E body only EUR3149
D800E+MB-D12   EUR3589
D800E+24-70 kit EUR4609

If you use the reported forex rate of the USD to EUR, from USD2999.95x0.743881574 dapat 2231.61 lang ang MSRP ng D800 body pero dahil sa VAT at taxes naging 2799
Since most of the grey Nikon units sold here are sourced from HK, where they are imported from Japan tax free, the HK MSRP would give a better idea kung magkano sa Pinas kaso TBA pa ren ata

Most likely I believe around 140,000Php ang D800. Tama si Doc, pagbago mahal.
Pero possible bang 170,000 and D800 sa Pilipinas? UU naman, CDSC unit na 12mos?  :D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on February 29, 2012, 11:45:47 PM
dan, musta? andyan pa ba yun L plate?  ::)

saan mo nakuha yun info about sa D800 price sa japan? if ever, may 10% discount pa ako...price is looking good  :o :o :o
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: yourdone on February 29, 2012, 11:52:03 PM
dan, musta? andyan pa ba yun L plate?  ::)

saan mo nakuha yun info about sa D800 price sa japan? if ever, may 10% discount pa ako...price is looking good  :o :o :o

Yep andito pa, ililipat ko lang sa Accesories section di ko p alang nalalagyan ng posting

Sa Yodobashi at MapCamera ko nakuha yung prices, so mall price yan hindi "Hidalgo" so to speak LOL  :D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on March 01, 2012, 12:00:47 AM
si Sanpoh ang pinaka mura sa lahat ng major retailers  :o :o :o
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: yourdone on March 01, 2012, 12:08:23 AM
si Sanpoh ang pinaka mura sa lahat ng major retailers  :o :o :o

Ayaw magsabi ng price sa Sanpoue, pero pwede magpareserve ng D800.

May X-Pro1 na pala sila, JPY128,100 yung body
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 01, 2012, 02:48:57 AM
Sa mga naghahanap ng ISO comparison ng D700 and D800 here's a link
http://nikonglass.blogspot.com/2012/02/nikon-d800.html (http://nikonglass.blogspot.com/2012/02/nikon-d800.html)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on March 01, 2012, 06:43:02 AM
To those who are curious about the performance of the faster CF cards and XQD card from Sony.

http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/content_page.asp?cid=7-11674-12366 (http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/content_page.asp?cid=7-11674-12366)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 02, 2012, 04:30:43 PM
Pag  bumenta ng sandamakmak ang 5D-MKIII malamang nasa drawing board na ang tunay na D700 upgrade/replacement......star na ng skyflakes and noodles ngayon pa lang.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: techie.gadget on March 02, 2012, 04:46:30 PM
Pag  bumenta ng sandamakmak ang 5D-MKIII malamang nasa drawing board na ang tunay na D700 upgrade/replacement......star na ng skyflakes and noodles ngayon pa lang.

Eto rin iyong expectations ko.  Problema lang kung makakahintay tayo hanggang next year?  Maganda rin kasi ang D800 kaya baka sa D800, madale na tayo.  Ha ha ha ha!  :D    Isa na dito ay ang AF ng D800.  Ang galing ng AF ng D800 sa FX at sa DX.  Sa DX, halos covered ng AF ang lahat ng viewfider kaya halos walang mintis dito kahit na 6 framers per second lang ang maximum ng D800 sa DX mode.              
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on March 02, 2012, 05:31:03 PM
ano ito?
(http://www.steves-digicams.com/Nikon_uses_TSO_Photography_without_permission.png)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on March 02, 2012, 09:47:09 PM
ano ito?
([url]http://www.steves-digicams.com/Nikon_uses_TSO_Photography_without_permission.png[/url])


I had to search it on youtube myself but IMO it is not even close to being the original Nikon promo video. It appears more of an amateur video clips that were combined together. It didn't even show any of the features about the camera unlike this other video from other countries. It appears this was created to get some hits on youtube or create a controversy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXXcDiqOGW8&feature=related# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXXcDiqOGW8&feature=related#)

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on March 02, 2012, 10:12:27 PM
magnifico, mamamia mi spagette risotto scampi  :o :o :o

lets see a side by side review of this thing against the 5Dm3.  ::)

i am surprised that the 5D costs more...
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on March 02, 2012, 10:14:42 PM
Pag  bumenta ng sandamakmak ang 5D-MKIII malamang nasa drawing board na ang tunay na D700 upgrade/replacement......star na ng skyflakes and noodles ngayon pa lang.
Most likely nasa kamay na ng mga testers yan. Sabi ng Canon sa Nikon sige ikaw muna high MP ako lower MP high iso. Tapos ako naman high MP (42MP) then ikaw naman 24mp.Talagang may conspiracy yata sila.....pero kwentong barbero lang yan ha!!! Kahit parang palagi yata nila ginagawa yan.Kulang siguro ako sa tulog, Jun. ;D ;D ;D.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on March 02, 2012, 10:21:01 PM
magnifico, mamamia mi spagette risotto scampi  :o :o :o

lets see a side by side review of this thing against the 5Dm3.  ::)

i am surprised that the 5D costs more...
Dahil binbayaran mo yong hi-iso feature at mabilis na FPS.Sabi ng Canon yong d700 nga walang video ang 5d2 meron,nabenta pa rin.Wise na rin si Canon.Reputation comes with a price too.Parang si Pacman at Mayweather....mahal na sila pareho.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on March 02, 2012, 10:26:36 PM
Pag  bumenta ng sandamakmak ang 5D-MKIII malamang nasa drawing board na ang tunay na D700 upgrade/replacement......star na ng skyflakes and noodles ngayon pa lang.

Papaano bebenta ng sangdamakmak kung tumaas ng isang libong dolyares yung presyo for an extra measly 1 megapixel more??? I am thinking what would sway current 5D owners to upgrade... the 61 AF point that is still unproven in the market, the upgraded software for image processing? Dunno, but let's go back to D800 kasi apples and oranges between 5D and D800 eh... ;) ;D

(ok, para sa maninipis na balat na Canon fanboys that comment above is obviously a joke, albeit a sarcastic one...)

Jun, forget about whether there is a D700 in the works, the D800 is the bomb! LOL  (that is Nikon fanboiii comment!)

Seriously, forget about the D700 upgrade talaga... images shot from D800 handheld as long as you don't pixel peep on your 30 inch calibrated monitor you'll be happy. I upsize my D200/D7000 images up to 24-36"" wide for printing using Imagenomic and you really have to use a big monitor and step back appropiately to see the differences in blur. Unless of course talagang walang handholding skills yung photogs eh kahit na D700 hindi matatakpan yung pagkukulang, di ba?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 02, 2012, 10:30:35 PM
BI ka talaga sa D800 sensie ahehehehehe
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on March 02, 2012, 10:37:24 PM
BI ka talaga sa D800 sensie ahehehehehe
hwag mo patulan yang si Thor , Jun. Di yang tutoong Nikon fan boy. Fake yan ;D ;D ;D...maraming camera yan at lenses galing sa ibat ibang makers. May cave yan na full of everything!!!Everything what? Di ko nga alam eh...most likely vintage lenses!! ;D ;D ;D .

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on March 02, 2012, 10:45:02 PM
BI ka talaga sa D800 sensie ahehehehehe

hehehehe my best advice sa mga natatakot sa 36mp ng D800 is to find a D40 para hindi sila matakot sa handholding blur. Seryoso yan, bro.... someday, the D40 will be elevated to the cult status gaya ng FM2. Bumili na ako ng refurbished na D40 2 years ago, nakatago na along with my F5 and FM2.

People don't realize na the megapixels in the sensor will keep doubling/tripling dahil nandun ang focus ng research. Think 100 megapixel sensor in 2 years to squeeze 1 or 2 more stops of DR (dynamic range). Yang ISO na yan is software driven and mas mahirap tibagin dahil dependent sa sensor design. Probably, the sensor design will do away with Bayer arrangement but the reality is we are still facing high megapixel count sensors in the future.

So what would we do kung 100+ megapixels na yung sensors? Of course, we would still handhold our cams kasi yan naman talaga ang style sa photography going back half-century na.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 02, 2012, 10:48:42 PM
Ang CF card natin ga Blackboard na kalaki aehehhehe.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on March 02, 2012, 10:50:06 PM
hehehehe my best advice sa mga natatakot sa 36mp ng D800 is to find a D40 para hindi sila matakot sa handholding blur. Seryoso yan, bro.... someday, the D40 will be elevated to the cult status gaya ng FM2. Bumili na ako ng refurbished na D40 2 years ago, nakatago na along with my F5 and FM2.

People don't realize na the megapixels in the sensor will keep doubling/tripling dahil nandun ang focus ng research. Think 100 megapixel sensor in 2 years to squeeze 1 or 2 more stops of DR (dynamic range). Yang ISO na yan is software driven and mas mahirap tibagin dahil dependent sa sensor design. Probably, the sensor design will do away with Bayer arrangement but the reality is we are still facing high megapixel count sensors in the future.

So what would we do kung 100+ megapixels na yung sensors? Of course, we would still handhold our cams kasi yan naman talaga ang style sa photography going back half-century na.
Is the d40 a future collectible item Thor? Hmmmm makahanap nga.Alam ko may brand new pa nyan sa tabi tabi!!!D40 na lang muna kung ganon saka na lang yong d800. ;)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on March 02, 2012, 10:54:32 PM
Ang CF card natin ga Blackboard na kalaki aehehhehe.
Liliit pa lalo dahil sa newer technology. Sa medicine maraming applications na paliitan. Mahal lang.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 02, 2012, 10:59:39 PM
@retina
     dibdib lang ata ang di paliitan.
  Seriously, matutulis yung mga sample pics ng D800 so far yung mga pinopost na MKIII sample medyo may kulang konti.
      Yung native ISO ba niya same din sa MKII?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on March 02, 2012, 11:00:29 PM
Is the d40 a future collectible item Thor? Hmmmm makahanap nga.Alam ko may brand new pa nyan sa tabi tabi!!!D40 na lang muna kung ganon saka na lang yong d800. ;)

Hindi collectible, Doc A. More of a nostalgic item kasi electronics eh. People with disposable income will buy it kasi it brings back memories. The prices will remain stable pero hindi tataas. Parang yung mga Atari video machines noong 1980s, ngayon people look for those kind of electronic nostalgic items.

Can you imagine 10 years from now, 1 GB na yung sensor sa cam and you have a D40 with a 6 mp cam to show off to the young bucks in the future? I bet you the D40 will still perform good at iso 100.

Anyway, umikot na yung pananaw ko about the D800. Realistically, I will still handhold it. Yan nga advantage ng 35mm over a medium format set-up - yung portability niya so why change it now? Ganun din ako sa D7000 ko eh, only in images na gusto ko talaga critically sharp siya for printing then I mount it sa tripod. How often is that? Probably 10 % of my shooting time.

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on March 02, 2012, 11:11:00 PM
Liliit pa lalo dahil sa newer technology. Sa medicine maraming applications na paliitan. Mahal lang.


Yep, Jun. Mahal nga pero meron technology transfer naman eh. Photogs sometimes have no idea what goes on sa medical technology. For example:

I swallowed a disposable Pill Cam last December to image my gastrointestinal system. It is a very small pill camera that took automatically took 50,000 images in a span of 4 hours while it was traveling down in my stomach all the way to the colon. Kasing laki siya ng Tylenol capsule (add few mm more in diameter). The 50,000 still images were wirelessly transmitted sa receiver na nakasabit sa belt ko while I was walking around. Later, yung 50,000 still images were put together to make a long video. Parang time interval shots sa photography di ba? Kaya I always say, don't fear technology - know it and use it well:

(http://ehealth.cooperhealth.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/ehealth_20100818_story.jpg)

(http://www.popsci.com/files/imagecache/article_image_large/articles/hiw_gutcam_485.jpg)

Ok, back to D800 na nga... ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on March 03, 2012, 01:02:00 PM
Here is what the designers thought about the D800.

http://imaging.nikon.com/history/scenes/32/index.htm (http://imaging.nikon.com/history/scenes/32/index.htm)

There are 3 image file sizes: 36.3mp Large, 20mp Medium, and 9mp for small files sizes plus the option to use 1.2x, 1.5x DX, and 5:4.

This means that you really don't need to use the 36.3mp all the time. Medium or small file sizes will be sufficient for general shooting.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on March 03, 2012, 01:30:27 PM
Here is what the designers thought about the D800.

[url]http://imaging.nikon.com/history/scenes/32/index.htm[/url] ([url]http://imaging.nikon.com/history/scenes/32/index.htm[/url])

There are 3 image file sizes: 36.3mp Large, 20mp Medium, and 9mp for small files sizes plus the option to use 1.2x, 1.5x DX, and 5:4.

This means that you really don't need to use the 36.3mp all the time. Medium or small file sizes will be sufficient for general shooting.

I have an unusual demand from a camera because I don't like to carry a still camera and a video camera at the same time .Much more manning those at the same time.Although I hate that rule, I am force to do so when I am short of manpower.
My question is, can the d800 take still shots while shooting a video without interruption to the movie?
....here is an excerpt from the link provided by Glenn but I find it vague.

"Although it's not a movie spec per se, there was some debate internally concerning the specs for photographs taken during movie live view. Specifically, with the D800 you can take a photograph by pressing the shutter-release button during movie live view; the problem was how to handle the photographs in terms of exposure control and picture angle. We concluded that the photographs had to be perfect as photographs, even taken during movie live view, but also that there would be no point if the picture angle wasn't the same as that used for movie live view. Photographs shot during movie live view would, in other words, have an aspect ratio of 16:9 but use the same exposure program as normal photos. This may have complicated the control specifications, but as the person responsible I found it a very satisfactory decision in that it produced optimal results for both photographs and movies."

It did not say whether the movies will be interrupted....Hmmmm hintay na lang ako ng review ninyo. Ako lang ata naghahanap ng ganitong features. ;)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 03, 2012, 01:52:58 PM
Here is what the designers thought about the D800.

[url]http://imaging.nikon.com/history/scenes/32/index.htm[/url] ([url]http://imaging.nikon.com/history/scenes/32/index.htm[/url])

There are 3 image file sizes: 36.3mp Large, 20mp Medium, and 9mp for small files sizes plus the option to use 1.2x, 1.5x DX, and 5:4.

This means that you really don't need to use the 36.3mp all the time. Medium or small file sizes will be sufficient for general shooting.


RAW = 36.3mp Large, JPEG = 20mp Medium, and JPEG = 9mp for small files sizes
plus the option to use 1.2x, 1.5x DX, and 5:4.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on March 03, 2012, 03:31:43 PM
I have an unusual demand from a camera because I don't like to carry a still camera and a video camera at the same time .Much more manning those at the same time.Although I hate that rule, I am force to do so when I am short of manpower.
My question is, can the d800 take still shots while shooting a video without interruption to the movie?

It did not say whether the movies will be interrupted....Hmmmm hintay na lang ako ng review ninyo. Ako lang ata naghahanap ng ganitong features. ;)


Doc- the way I understood this is that it is possible for both D4 and D800.

* Photographs taken in movie live view have an aspect ratio of 16:9; A DX-based format is used for photographs taken using the DX (24 x 16) image area; an FX-based format is used for all other photographs

D4:
"Furthermore, if the "record movies" function is assigned to a shutter-release button, it is possible to shoot movies using the shutter-release button or remote cord. Also, if "live frame grab" is selected, the camera records still images*3 with a frame size of 1,920 x 1,080 pixels without interrupting movie recording.

*1Available in movie editing with the D4 only.
*2Activates in A or M exposure mode.
*3Aspect ratio matches that of the movie frame.  Image quality: JPEG fine."

Source:

http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d800/spec.htm (http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d800/spec.htm)

http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d4/features03.htm (http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d4/features03.htm)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on March 03, 2012, 03:47:41 PM
I hope you are right,Glenn.Actually, that features seems to be the source of my confusion.There are 2 LV modes: stills and movies.The digitutor said, "press the movie button to end the movie recording or to start taking a still photograph".....that confused me. The d4 digitutor was poorly made. Almost no real info there. The d800 digitutor was done very nicely. I am not sure but just try to view the digitutor but it seems in LV movie mode, there is a live histogram but not in LV photography mode(only exposure preview).
Suddenly I begin to appreciate the features of the d800 and d4. ;)

BTW is the histogram useful here? Pero bakit sa movie mode lang?

http://www.nikondigitutor.com/eng/d800/index.html (http://www.nikondigitutor.com/eng/d800/index.html)

Click the "The recording movies menu, then the "The information display:Movie live view"
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on March 03, 2012, 08:14:02 PM
I hope you are right,Glenn.Actually, that features seems to be the source of my confusion.There are 2 LV modes: stills and movies.The digitutor said, "press the movie button to end the movie recording or to start taking a still photograph".....that confused me.
Suddenly I begin to appreciate the features of the d800 and d4. ;)

BTW is the histogram useful here? Pero bakit sa movie mode lang?

[url]http://www.nikondigitutor.com/eng/d800/index.html[/url] ([url]http://www.nikondigitutor.com/eng/d800/index.html[/url])

Click the "The recording movies menu, then the "The information display:Movie live view"


Doc - tama ka. It might be just for the D4 and not available with the D800. The file size from what I have heard elsewhere is an approx. 1 or 2 mp jpg size.  I can't find any document to confirm this. But for now, just review the technical guide.

http://www.nikonusa.com/en_US/o/Y6wrkA9OU_z04IreazIXl_22UII/PDF/D800_TechnicalGuide_En.pdf (http://www.nikonusa.com/en_US/o/Y6wrkA9OU_z04IreazIXl_22UII/PDF/D800_TechnicalGuide_En.pdf)

Jun - you are correct. The files sizes only applies to jpg and not RAW unless you are using it on DX mode just to get a smaller NEF file.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on March 03, 2012, 09:46:09 PM

Interesting interview of Nikon's general manager for marketing, Nobuaki Sasagaki:

link: http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/news/Nikon_D800E_Exclusive_CP_interview_news_311455.html (http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/news/Nikon_D800E_Exclusive_CP_interview_news_311455.html)

Quotes that I found interesting:

"Sasagaki said that, so long as there is demand for the D700, Nikon will continue to produce the bodies."

- This quote appears opposite the Japanese Nikon's website of designating the D700 as discontinued. My take is that Nikon probably is worried that the high megapixel sensor of D800 & D800E do worry amateurs and might slow the sales of D800/800E. Is Nikon shifting and re-orienting its plan and now will continue producing the D700 until the sales of D800 takes off?

"current Nikon users will not need to upgrade their lenses to make the most of the 36.3-million-pixel resolution, so long as they have modern optics already. 'Our range of fixed lenses is particularly well suited to this camera, but all our current high-end lenses with Nano Crystal coating will provide enough resolution for this sensor. Fixed focal length lenses are one of Nikon's great strengths,' Sasagaki added."

- I agree. Notice that the emphasis is on fixed focal length lenses. Looking back, it makes marketing sense that Nikon started upgrading their lenses first in preparation for the upcoming high mp sensors.

"There will be some medium-format users who will be attracted by the portability of the D800, but this camera will produce a different style of picture. The depth of field with the FX (full frame) sensor will be different to that achieved with the larger sensors of medium format cameras."

- This is the general consensus among medium format shooters also. The D800E is not a replacement nor should be considered as a replacement. The strongest argument for the D800E is its price entry point as a back-up for medium format shooters or a portable high resolution camera when setting up the medium format gear would be cumbersome. Of course, there will photogs who will never be able to afford medium format, the D800E is another pathway.

"Sasagaki went on to claim that the difference in resolution between the D800 and the D800E would not be noticed by amateurs, but that professionals would appreciate it and see the benefits of the E variant."

- Direct to the point. I would add that amateurs, in general, do not know what to look for specifically between an AA-equipped sensor and a filterless sensor, hence they won't notice it. Of course, there would be amateurs who worry too much about everything (at the same time trying to grasp what they're worrying about... a catch-22 situation).

"However, he revealed that the D800E and the D4 would not be the only DSLRs that Nikon will launch this year, though he would not be drawn on timing."


Interesting. Would that be the D700 replacement in lower mp sensor form, high fps, , low noise, and high iso performance? Would this cannibalize the sales of D4?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on March 03, 2012, 10:09:52 PM

Interesting. Would that be the D700 replacement in lower mp sensor form, high fps, , low noise, and high iso performance? Would this cannibalize the sales of D4?

Similar to the D3 and D700. This would be a worthy D700 replacement.

Ang Nikon may motif pa. High resolution that rivals the MF; High performance in low light (D4); Compromised between D4 and D800 = D700s or D700x?  :o

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on March 03, 2012, 10:12:04 PM
That was what they said about the D90 when the D7000 came out  :o :o :o
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on March 03, 2012, 10:48:18 PM

From a marketing point of view, planned or unplanned, natatawa ako where this is going.

First, they introduce a high mp sensor. Something that consumers before were asking Nikon when Sony unveiled the A900. Of course, when Sony introduced the A900, blur was a big issue so Nikon did an educational component to the introduction of D800/800E emphasizing to potential buyers that they have to learn how to shoot properly.

Second, forums got flooded did consumers asking, "what? we have to use tripods???!!!" No way, Nikon. We gonna keep shooting handheld and get this Nikon, against a bright sunlight wide open at 1.4, too!!!!

Third, a rival announces a new model FF, with 1 megapixel upgrade + $1000 mark-up fee. Reaction? ___.

Fourth, Nikon sensing a shift that the D800 might be too much for regular confused consumers, decides to introduce a scaled down version of D800. Of course, the rival's sensor mp count could not be overlooked too.

End-result? Who knows. I think the D800 is the replacement for D700 but sensing that they can also compete at 24 megapixel count FF market, they decided to mount another model to directly compete against the newest rival's FF model.

I've always viewed Nikon marketing as always "waiting to pounce on a rival" mode. If the rival makes an error, they are in a position to counter immediately. If the rival introduces a winner, they go back to the drawing board and ups the ante in 1 1/2 year (remember D3 and D3s).

It would be interesting to see what new FF dslr Nikon will introduce in a couple of months.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 03, 2012, 11:24:09 PM
     Sensie, bukas goodbye na sa D700 ko, as planned I will try the D800 and pag di ma tame a beast ( blurry shots) or fall short sa ISO liking ko Return Refund ang bagsak, keep the funds for whats to come and enjoy nalang muna with my NEX for IR. I have 190 shots alloted to play with the D800. Ngayon pa lang back to basic shooting technique na.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on March 04, 2012, 01:23:39 AM
     Sensie, bukas goodbye na sa D700 ko, as planned I will try the D800 and pag di ma tame a beast ( blurry shots) or fall short sa ISO liking ko Return Refund ang bagsak, keep the funds for whats to come and enjoy nalang muna with my NEX for IR. I have 190 shots alloted to play with the D800. Ngayon pa lang back to basic shooting technique na.
I bet di mo na ibabalik yan!!! Magugustuhan mo na.IR nga kaya mo, d800 pa.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 04, 2012, 08:29:35 AM
Di naman 36 mp yung nex5 ko eh , lol
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 04, 2012, 06:45:39 PM
Since 36mp na ang d800 and this magnify or mas makikita ang flaw ng lens,,,,, pano nalang ang mga screw in filter in case gumagamit kayo nito.

Second question is pano nalang pag landscape and you need to use your hitech GND's.


Third question is kung mag mamacro shoot ka di na advisable na gumamit ng maliit na aperture due to concerns ng diffraction?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on March 04, 2012, 08:54:40 PM
Di naman 36 mp yung nex5 ko eh , lol


Jun, may point si Doc A kasi mas mahirap mag-shoot ng P&S size cam for critically sharp image if you handhold it. Litaw na litaw eto sa NEX-7 where sharp output is dependent kung naka-stabilize yung NEX-7 sa tripod. Handholding it litaw agad yung motion blur due to operator's skills. Wala ngang mirror slap ang NEX series pero kung hindi maingat yung shooter at walang disiplina sa pag-pindot ng shutter, may blur ang images if you know where to look for it.

The advantage of having an optical viewfinder is that naka-stabilize din yung cam sa forehead natin when we look at the vf kaya that also provides stabilization. Sa NEX, most of the time nakalayo sa atin yung cam and it relies on the stability of our forearms.

In short, kung ok sa'yo ang output ng 14mp NEX-5 handholding siya, I don't see any reason why hindi ok sa'yo ang 36mp D800 given na you will get more stability sa D800 - naka-stabilize sa forehead mo yung cam, nakadikit sa katawan mo yung elbows while holding it, the weight of the D800 acts as a counterbalance weight pag-press mo ng shutter, saka mas mabilis ang shutter speed mo dahil hindi IR ang shots (compared to your NEX IR).

I wouldn't worry too much about blur as long as you follow correct techniques in handholding cams.

Here, panoorin mo etong technique ni Joe McNally about Da Grip. I really like his handholding technique:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDsx3-FWfwk# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDsx3-FWfwk#)

For those who are not familiar with Joe McNally and doubts his handholding skills, watch how McNally captured the iconic shot of a worker changing a lightbulb on the very top of Empire State Building in NYC with a wide angle lens:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEAKQFddTLI# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEAKQFddTLI#)

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4060/4688536584_f499c91758.jpg)

from the videographer view on the helicopter (shot of McNally on top of Empire State):

(http://b.vimeocdn.com/ts/157/721/157721158_640.jpg)

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on March 04, 2012, 10:44:31 PM
The digitutor said, "press the movie button to end the movie recording or to start taking a still photograph".....that confused me. The d4 digitutor was poorly made. Almost no real info there. The d800 digitutor was done very nicely. I am not sure but just try to view the digitutor but it seems in LV movie mode, there is a live histogram but not in LV photography mode(only exposure preview).
Suddenly I begin to appreciate the features of the d800 and d4. ;)


Doc A, I finally got the definition of Nikon's "Live Frame Grab".

In the custom settings menu, you can choose the role played by pressing the shutter-release button when Movie Mode is selected with the live view selector. If the shutter-release button is pressed all the way down during movie recording, the camera will record a photograph without interrupting movie recording. Photos are 1,920 x 1,080 pixels in size (aspect ratio 16:9) and recorded at an image quality of JPEG fine (quality-priority). Note that during movie recording, photos are taken one at a time regardless of the release mode selected; this restriction does not apply if movie recording is not currently in progress).

http://www.nikonusa.com/Learn-And-Explore/Photography-Glossary/H/1/Live-Frame-Grab.html (http://www.nikonusa.com/Learn-And-Explore/Photography-Glossary/H/1/Live-Frame-Grab.html)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on March 04, 2012, 10:50:22 PM
Doc A, I finally got the definition of Nikon's "Live Frame Grab".

In the custom settings menu, you can choose the role played by pressing the shutter-release button when Movie Mode is selected with the live view selector. If the shutter-release button is pressed all the way down during movie recording, the camera will record a photograph without interrupting movie recording. Photos are 1,920 x 1,080 pixels in size (aspect ratio 16:9) and recorded at an image quality of JPEG fine (quality-priority). Note that during movie recording, photos are taken one at a time regardless of the release mode selected; this restriction does not apply if movie recording is not currently in progress).

[url]http://www.nikonusa.com/Learn-And-Explore/Photography-Glossary/H/1/Live-Frame-Grab.html[/url] ([url]http://www.nikonusa.com/Learn-And-Explore/Photography-Glossary/H/1/Live-Frame-Grab.html[/url])

Meron din bang ganon ang d800? Baka kasi sa d4 lang yan.Ayaw ko bumili ng d4 dahil lang dyan. Bibili na lang ako ng tutoong HD cam na latest.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on March 04, 2012, 10:59:31 PM
Meron din bang ganon ang d800? Baka kasi sa d4 lang yan.Ayaw ko bumili ng d4 dahil lang dyan. Bibili na lang ako ng tutoong HD cam na latest.

I think this will be a new feature for all future cameras just like "live view". The website didn't specify for D4 only but I am assuming that D800 has the "live frame grab" option, it should be able to do it like the D4.

Pre-order na!  ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on March 04, 2012, 11:17:37 PM
Pre-order na!  ;D
Sa summer na lang baka pupunta ako ng NYC via LA..
I hope pwede ang live frame grab sa d800.Sa Nikon J1 at V1 pwede kasi kayang kaya ng CPU nya, liit kasi ng sensor. Kaya baka wala nyan sa d800 at mahirapan ang processor.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 04, 2012, 11:45:51 PM
Since 36mp na ang d800 and this magnify or mas makikita ang flaw ng lens,,,,, pano nalang ang mga screw in filter in case gumagamit kayo nito.

Second question is pano nalang pag landscape and you need to use your hitech GND's.


Third question is kung mag mamacro shoot ka di na advisable na gumamit ng maliit na aperture due to concerns ng diffraction?

   Puwede maka hingi ng inyong kuro-kuro.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on March 05, 2012, 12:49:10 AM
Since 36mp na ang d800 and this magnify or mas makikita ang flaw ng lens,,,,, pano nalang ang mga screw in filter in case gumagamit kayo nito.

Second question is pano nalang pag landscape and you need to use your hitech GND's.


Third question is kung mag mamacro shoot ka di na advisable na gumamit ng maliit na aperture due to concerns ng diffraction?


Jun, filters have been used for medium format cameras with high mp count than the 36mp of D800 without serious issues. Its the quality of the filter and the lens that matter, not the size of the sensor.

Take a look at the performance of Pentax 645 medium format 40mp sensor using various filters (GND, polarizing, and ND) here: http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-medium-format-645-6x7-645d/139755-my-final-thoughts-645d.html (http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-medium-format-645-6x7-645d/139755-my-final-thoughts-645d.html)

Of course, put a cheap lens and a cheap filter sa harap ng D800 eh ganun nga, lalabas nga na palpak yung image. Logic and intuition tell us that we get what we pay for.

In terms of lens diffraction, it depends which D800 version you will use. If you use the D800, shooting at the limit of lens diffraction will give you a softer output. However, shooting with the D800E gives you a little bit more leeway shooting past lens diffraction limit. Specifically to your question regarding macro and lens diffraction, why shoot macro at f16 or f22, when you can stack macro images at the sharpest aperture of the lens, say at f8? Macro stacking is a better way to capture macro images, Jun.

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 05, 2012, 01:42:37 AM
Many thanks ulit sa reply, yung left hand over right hand grip ni mknally usually gamit ko pag walang tripod and medyo mababa na talaga ang shutter speed ko. Thanks sa link
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junji on March 05, 2012, 02:02:51 AM
Thanks Thor for the share on McNalley technique. Ganun pala yun, now I have something to practice on.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on March 05, 2012, 02:35:02 PM
http://www.fotosidan.se/forum/showpost.php?p=1792662&postcount=1457 (http://www.fotosidan.se/forum/showpost.php?p=1792662&postcount=1457)
Hi-iso shots - not sure if this was posted already.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 06, 2012, 12:51:16 AM
@retina
     might like this video link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmdeTsn-h9Y# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmdeTsn-h9Y#)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 06, 2012, 05:54:51 AM
Nasagap ko lang to sa kalawakan

(http://nikonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/D700_D800_01600_comp-1024x789.jpg)

(http://nikonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/D700_D800_03200_comp-1024x784.jpg)

(http://nikonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/D700_D800_06400_comp-1024x793.jpg)

(http://nikonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/D700_D800_12800_comp-1024x796.jpg)

(http://nikonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/D700_D800_25600_comp-1024x785.jpg)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on March 06, 2012, 05:59:08 AM
36.3 mp and it is still cleaner than the D700! :o
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 06, 2012, 06:03:38 AM
Para mapanata kayong mga nag pre-order ng D800 after selling your D700

ISO1600
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7176/6952062831_8677024c26_z.jpg)

ISO3200
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7197/6952068723_851190638e_z.jpg)

ISO6400
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7052/6805961224_26511bae6f_z.jpg)

ISO12800
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7039/6805975362_3a1163edc8_z.jpg)

ISO25600
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7193/6952082445_d57bf51f61_z.jpg)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 06, 2012, 06:07:12 AM
36.3 mp and it is still cleaner than the D700! :o

Hindi pa nga to D4,,, pano nalang kung D4 mo na ahehehehhe
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on March 06, 2012, 07:32:51 AM
36.3 mp and it is still cleaner than the D700! :o

I agree! Wow talaga at least now may side by side comparison na! Thanks for sharing!
kelan ba darating sa pinas yan!?

Mali ako na kala ko same lang ng d7000!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on March 06, 2012, 07:37:35 AM
Salamat sa link Jun!!! I hope wala kang separation anxiety with the d700 at you can move on with the d800. ;) ;D ::).
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 06, 2012, 07:44:00 AM
@retina
      Really felt down yesterday after pauwi. Infact nung inaantay ko yung buyer sinabi ko sa sarili ko na pag tumawad to, me reklamo kahit na konti, magbabayad ng check,,,, walang isang salita iiwanan ko na agad. Naghahanap kung baga ng rason para lang di matuloy ang transaction, Kaso nung makita ang unit , bayad agad huhuhuhuhu. Looking forward to try the D800 and start scouting for and i7,8gig,1gig video card lappy ahehehee.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 06, 2012, 07:45:58 AM
BTW, I am just concerned sa compatibilit ng Siggy 85 with D800. Nag email na ako sa Sigma kahapon , wala pa namang reply
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on March 06, 2012, 07:48:29 AM
i am considering it very carefully, when i have the D800 and the D7000, they will just share 1 common battery type, as opposed to my D700 and D7000 combo which uses 2 types of batteries. however, the D700 is still serving my purposes very well. its just that it does not have video, thats all...36.3MP, i do not need it actually... :o :o :o

the sigma lens should do fine, this is one reason why i am staying away from 3rd party products recently.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on March 06, 2012, 08:59:37 AM
Hindi pa nga to D4,,, pano nalang kung D4 mo na ahehehehhe


 ;D.  The DR still looks good to me even at ISO 6400. 
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on March 06, 2012, 09:06:18 AM
About the d800 and d700 iso comparison, mas gusto ko yong comparison between a 12mp vs 36mp output kung meron. Kasi sa real life tamad naman ako magdown size ng pics ko.Eh di kung paliitan mag dx at JPEG mode na lang ako.

@Jun my condolence  ::) ::) ::)...(I am joking). The cycle of life has to go on. Like in the rain forest,there must be fire to destroy things,water to stir up the destroyed objects  and put nutrients evenly anywhere....then growth follows.

You have to let go of one so you can embrace another( a d800 or 5dMk3, it does not matter).

i am considering it very carefully, when i have the D800 and the D7000, they will just share 1 common battery type, as opposed to my D700 and D7000 combo which uses 2 types of batteries. however, the D700 is still serving my purposes very well. its just that it does not have video, thats all...36.3MP, i do not need it actually... :o :o :o

the sigma lens should do fine, this is one reason why i am staying away from 3rd party products recently.
For Rico the best combo is d800 +d7000. ;)
           The only Sigma lens that I have is the Sigma 150 (non os). I bought an upgraded chipped so it can AF with my d80 a long time ago.Pero I realized na di ko pala naman kailangan mag AF sa macro. As long as it can mount, kahit di sya magmeter in the future. OK lang. I will avoid a 3rd party lens unless na talagang super ganda sya like the tokina 11-16.
Medyo iniiba ng Nikon yong electronics nila sa new bodies  para medyo di compatible yong 3rd party lenses. Cruel for them to do that!! Ganon talaga dahil sa competition.Pero bakit yong microsoft , they were sued for protecting their Internet explorer.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 06, 2012, 09:12:06 AM
Naka post na rin ngayon ang Siggy sa Craig,,, ang sales nun kuha ko nalang ng 50mm 1.4g and 85mm 1.8g
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on March 06, 2012, 11:09:15 AM
Naka post na rin ngayon ang Siggy sa Craig,,, ang sales nun kuha ko nalang ng 50mm 1.4g and 85mm 1.8g

That is not a bad idea. Pero I love my 85mm Siggy.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 06, 2012, 02:41:43 PM
@gq
     mag wowork kaya yan sa D4 mo with the new AF and Metering?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on March 06, 2012, 08:24:59 PM
;D.  The DR still looks good to me even at ISO 6400. 

Yep, considering also that post-processing was done using the D7000 profile. ;D

I bet with proper D800 profile for post-processing the DR will be deeper, wider saka mas malinis. Anybody else thinks that the D800 is D3x Lite??? I do. :D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on March 06, 2012, 08:32:11 PM
That is not a bad idea. Pero I love my 85mm Siggy.

Glenn, what I suggest is that the first test you should do for the Siggy is Face Metering with the D4. The firmware is different from previous Nikons (due to different algorithm for the Face Metering). The new firmware uses focusing concentrated on a small area of the subject to calculate the subject and background exposure. If the Siggy will have communication problems with the firmware, the exposure will not be accurate (the AF might or might not be accurate). If this happens, sayang naman yung Face Metering especially the Siggy is supposed to be a portrait lens.

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on March 06, 2012, 08:40:44 PM
Anybody else thinks that the D800 is D3x Lite??? I do. :D
Yes,light in chassis but not in the inside.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 06, 2012, 08:43:51 PM
Yep, considering also that post-processing was done using the D7000 profile. ;D

I bet with proper D800 profile for post-processing the DR will be deeper, wider saka mas malinis. Anybody else thinks that the D800 is D3x Lite??? I do. :D

Ang BI talaga ahehehhee.
Yan nga ang concern ko ang face recognition metering, wala kasi sa dating mga body nila yan and this is one of the features which I like sa D800. Talagang sayang kung di ma gamit with my Siggy. Heaven if it will function sa Siggy 85.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on March 06, 2012, 08:51:09 PM
BTW, I am just concerned sa compatibilit ng Siggy 85 with D800. Nag email na ako sa Sigma kahapon , wala pa namang reply

Jun, wanna bet naka-pre order rin ang Sigma to buy the D800 and D4??? They need to get hold of the new bodies para they can find out also how much work they have to do to re-calibrate their lenses na nasa factory assembly lines na. ;D

AF lens are calibrated at f5.6 for for focusing and communication with the body. Just one aperture lang - all the rest, opening and closing are calculated by the lens chip. Kaya when you bring your lens for re-calibration, yun lang ang ginagawa nila and then re-program the chip especially 3rd party lens.

Kaya when you have an AF lens that has a very shallow DOF (like 1.4), you are about 3 stops from the calibrated AF point - do not be surprised if your AF is off. This is where bodies that you can micro-adjust the AF points with the specific lens comes in handy.

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on March 06, 2012, 09:01:03 PM
Ang BI talaga ahehehhee.
Yan nga ang concern ko ang face recognition metering, wala kasi sa dating mga body nila yan and this is one of the features which I like sa D800. Talagang sayang kung di ma gamit with my Siggy. Heaven if it will function sa Siggy 85.


Ewan ko ba bakit BI ako eh hindi nga nag-pre order ng D800.

Dati anti-AF ako kaya karamihan ng lente ko manual focus. I never found an AF lens na mas contrasty sa legacy lenses ko. Yung AF not a big deal for me kasi mas accurate and mas mabilis ang focusing ko with my style of photography.

3 AF lente na tinitingnan ko - Nikkor 24 1.4, Nikkor 105 Vr, saka 135mm Defocus Control. I might unload some of my legacy lenses na get those finally.

Kasi ngayon na may Face Metering na ang Nikon, I am taking a hard look at my collection. Nangangamote ako kasi sa Spot Metering without blowing out the background highlights eh. Film is still the faster method if you do not want to blow your background highlights with portraits. Sa digital, you have to measure it carefully and do several test fires. I bet with the Exposure System ng D800 and D4, this might finally solve that background highlights problem with portraits.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 06, 2012, 09:20:34 PM
Exactly the feature that I needed ahehehhee.
So I advisable na i send ang Siggy to sigma for recalibration and upgrade sa chip?
Wala pa rin kasing reply sila s email ko regarding Siggy 85 and D800 compatibility
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on March 06, 2012, 09:49:58 PM
Exactly the feature that I needed ahehehhee.
So I advisable na i send ang Siggy to sigma for recalibration and upgrade sa chip?
Wala pa rin kasing reply sila s email ko regarding Siggy 85 and D800 compatibility


You think sasagot sila committing na it will work without testing sa new bodies lalo na nasa US ka and can use their email for a lawsuit? hehehehehe read carefully yung sagot nila (if they do answer) and look for a hedge for palusot... like the rest of people who pre-ordered, they are biting their lips kailan i-de-deliver na... LOL

I wonder how the D800 will work with Nikkor 135mm f/2 DC? Lalo na yung bokeh niya. People go nuts with the 85mm 1.4 pero kung ako tatanungin mo, I'll grab the 135mm f/2 DC instead na yung 85mm 1.4. Hindi lang kasi alam ng karamihan how to use the defocus control ng 135 eh. Tapos you add the difficulty of controlling background highlights bokeh pa kaya hindi popular sa forums ang DC.

Now that the D800/D4 will be armed with Face Metering, I bet mas madali ng kontrolin ang 135 f/2 DC. It is the sharpest Nikkor for portraits at the singular focusing point (think of the subjects eyes) and the smoothest bokeh with proper defocus control.

I know this is OT pero I am excited how the D800 will match with the 135mm DC lalo na controlling the background highlights with its smooth bokeh.

Here is an example of a Nikkor 135mm f/2 DC (Defocus Control) capture with the D3 at 1/1000 f2 iso 200:

(http://images.photo-visible.com/photo_public/2009/9/800/800_448.jpg)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on March 06, 2012, 09:55:02 PM
Glenn, what I suggest is that the first test you should do for the Siggy is Face Metering with the D4. The firmware is different from previous Nikons (due to different algorithm for the Face Metering). The new firmware uses focusing concentrated on a small area of the subject to calculate the subject and background exposure. If the Siggy will have communication problems with the firmware, the exposure will not be accurate (the AF might or might not be accurate). If this happens, sayang naman yung Face Metering especially the Siggy is supposed to be a portrait lens.

Will do Thor.  If not, it goes on the for sale section and will get the Nikon 85mm f1.8G instead kahit na mas maganda ang bokeh ng Sigma para sa akin. Same goes with the 50mm.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on March 06, 2012, 10:04:11 PM
You think sasagot sila committing na it will work without testing sa new bodies lalo na nasa US ka and can use their email for a lawsuit? hehehehehe read carefully yung sagot nila (if they do answer) and look for a hedge for palusot... like the rest of people who pre-ordered, they are biting their lips kailan i-de-deliver na... LOL

Walang hiyang B and H Photo na yan. Ayaw sabihin kung kailan i papadala yung cam ko.  ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 06, 2012, 10:09:45 PM
I sure will keep the email sensie ahehehehehe.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on March 06, 2012, 11:04:15 PM
I sure will keep the email sensie ahehehehehe.

I am quite sure the email they'll send you will be a generic one, probably a standard answer na dumaan na sa legal department.
If you read the Sigma website (US), nothing and I mean nothing in there, is written about compatibility with future bodies. One would think na dapat nasa FAQ section yun, wala rin.

Class action lawsuit (where customers band together) against Sigma has been talked about noon pa. Minolta AF owners (who got screwed kasi hindi na compatible) pondered about it until they realized na wala ngang guaranteed compatibility with future bodies written anywhere.

Regarding the D800, I commend Nikon for putting is so much emphasis on educating the consumers about the upcoming D800. Meron ng Digitutor sa Nikon website and the features are explained well. This prevents future misunderstanding if there will be problems sa bagong bodies.

Of course, knowing how forums work - I guarantee you there will be endless comments like, "sharp lens with the D800" kahit na for the life of me, I have no idea at which focusing point of the image the poster is exclaiming sharp! LOL
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on March 06, 2012, 11:59:42 PM
Thor is really a BI... ;D ;D ;D.....Read his post.....very informative...kaya BI meaning BEST INFORMANT. :D

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on March 07, 2012, 02:18:06 AM
Thor is really a BI... ;D ;D ;D.....Read his post.....very informative...kaya BI meaning BEST INFORMANT. :D



Thanks, Doc! Sharing of information is my favorite thing to do and enjoy in forums.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 07, 2012, 02:23:56 AM
@gq
     heto meron akong pangkilit for you ahehehehehe

"We should start shipping after March 18, we do not have the line details, I apologize for any inconvenience."

    Ilang tulog nalang,,,, Jollibee na naman!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on March 07, 2012, 05:04:16 AM
@gq
     heto meron akong pangkilit for you ahehehehehe

"We should start shipping after March 18, we do not have the line details, I apologize for any inconvenience."

    Ilang tulog nalang,,,, Jollibee na naman!!!!!!

Hhhhmmm... this is what I got from them yesterday.

Quote: "Please be advised that since the item is new and is being released in limited quantity, we do not have an estimated arrival time. Unfortunately the purchasing department does not give out the information pertaining to what number in line you are. I am sorry. " end quote. >:(
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on March 07, 2012, 02:37:10 PM
Yep, considering also that post-processing was done using the D7000 profile. ;D

I bet with proper D800 profile for post-processing the DR will be deeper, wider saka mas malinis. Anybody else thinks that the D800 is D3x Lite??? I do. :D

Would it be safe to assume if you print a 36mp file with a ISO 6400 on a 8 x 10 or A3 size picture, you'll probably see sharper details and less visible noise since noise from shadows be hardly visible?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on March 07, 2012, 08:58:26 PM
Would it be safe to assume if you print a 36mp file with a ISO 6400 on a 8 x 10 or A3 size picture, you'll probably see sharper details and less visible noise since noise from shadows be hardly visible?

Tough question, Glenn. ;D

I have to say it depends on several factors such as:

1) Exposure is spot on, for example you have control of the light and you use the iso 6400 to help you reduce the strobe power needed and you did not use the high iso as an aid to get the exposure (studio setting comes into my mind)

2) The kind of noise that you see, keep in mind that iso noise in digital is uniform (as opposed to film iso noise where it is not uniform). A uniform noise is easier to see even if hardly visible because it jumps out and perceived as not part of the scene.

3) The kind of paper and printer that you print on. If you use a glossy paper I would have to say that the uniformity of iso noise (even if barely perceptible) can be seen by the viewer and will affect the view.

4) I have seen D3x iso 6400 prints and they are horrendous even in studio settings (horrendous in terms of DR and iso noise on skin tones) so my best answer is we have to wait and see what would be the prints from D800 at iso 6400 would be.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on March 07, 2012, 09:35:40 PM
From the sample images, I think the D800 will do very well.  The only noise that tends to bother me is the noise that I normally see in the shadows especially if you view it at 100%.  If the noise gets compressed to a smaller file size, then in theory, it should render a more acceptable and cleaner image.

Another possibility and advantage of having a 36mp sensor when it comes to sports or birding application is that you don't need to buy those exotic prime lenses i.e. 400mm, 500mm and 600mm which these three lenses alone can go more than 22k.  If you use a 300mm f2.8 prime + TC, you can still get sharp images even after you crop them. 

The improved AF will greatly help out to achieve sharper and higher resolution images that weren’t possible with the previous Nikon cameras before.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on March 08, 2012, 12:01:43 AM
From the sample images, I think the D800 will do very well.  The only noise that tends to bother me is the noise that I normally see in the shadows especially if you view it at 100%.  If the noise gets compressed to a smaller file size, then in theory, it should render a more acceptable and cleaner image.

-edit-


Glenn, what we see on pixel peeping and what we would expect to see on printing is hard to correlate.

The reason I commented that you asked a tough question is that I am thinking of monochrome prints at high iso since you also mentioned about noise in the shadows and sharpness of the image.

Here's the thing: in digital monochrome printing, you only have 256 shades of gray.

That 256 shades of gray is significant because you would easily see the transitions from shadows to highlights and any pattern (such as iso grain noise) will easily be seen. The dynamic range of the sensor can not compensate for that 256 shades of gray limitation of digital monochrome prints. The pattern will be easily recognizable (as opposed to film where there is no grain pattern, the iso grain is random). You add this with the not so smooth tonal gradations from 100% blacks to 100% whites, the viewer (if he knows what he is looking at) will leave with an impression that it is still not up to his standards.

With color, it is a different story. You have more leeway with color digital printing.

But if you really want to measure the progress of digital photography in terms of noise pattern, tonal gradations, and dynamic range - monochrome printing is a brutal yardstick. It is an honest measuring tool as it reveals immediately the deficiencies of digital photography.

I have to say with the current sensors (including the upcoming Nikon bodies) and the current printers available, even with base iso - digital monochrome prints still have a long way to go.

You can see this with current ads of Epson where they stress how good their printers are in printing monochromes but if you survey galleries and collectors, these particular segments of monochrome buyers shy away from buying digital prints and most, if not all. still prefer film monochrome (medium format) for the reasons I cited above - uniform pattern of digital sensor noise, 256 shades of gray, and the smoother tonal gradations from black to whites with film medium.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on March 08, 2012, 05:26:15 AM
Glenn, what we see on pixel peeping and what we would expect to see on printing is hard to correlate.

The reason I commented that you asked a tough question is that I am thinking of monochrome prints at high iso since you also mentioned about noise in the shadows and sharpness of the image.

Here's the thing: in digital monochrome printing, you only have 256 shades of gray.

That 256 shades of gray is significant because you would easily see the transitions from shadows to highlights and any pattern (such as iso grain noise) will easily be seen. The dynamic range of the sensor can not compensate for that 256 shades of gray limitation of digital monochrome prints. The pattern will be easily recognizable (as opposed to film where there is no grain pattern, the iso grain is random). You add this with the not so smooth tonal gradations from 100% blacks to 100% whites, the viewer (if he knows what he is looking at) will leave with an impression that it is still not up to his standards.
**Edit**

Thanks for bringing the monochrome aspect Thor. I didn't even consider that since I rarely convert images to black and white or sephia. Another good info that I learned from you.  ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on March 08, 2012, 11:41:45 AM
Thanks for bringing the monochrome aspect Thor. I didn't even consider that since I rarely convert images to black and white or sephia. Another good info that I learned from you.  ;D


You can really see how a new sensor performs in high iso and what kind of noise it generates when you look at the blue channel. Kaya I rarely comment on posted web images with high iso kasi I need to see the blue channel talaga para masabi ko na malinis yung high iso image (which means I need the raw capture file).

Monochrome image is the Achilles heel of digital sensors (non-Foveon) because the sensors are really black and white painted with Red, Green, and Blue. The Bayer interpolation via the firmware takes care of interpolating (smoothing out) the pixel's brightness (also Raw processing if Raw capture).

I am looking forward seeing the Blue channel of the D800 and compare it specifically with the D3x and D3s. Actually, it is with the D3s I am very curious to compare it with. The D3s has the smoothest tonal transitions and gradations of all the current Nikon bodies. I think the D3s firmware for the Bayer interpolation is primarily responsible for this. If Nikon applies the D3s firmware (a variation of it) to the D800 firmware for tonal transitions, that would be a huge thing. Imagine a 36mp D3s! ;D ;D ;D

I have essentially ignored all the posted web images (even 100% crop) of high iso images of D800 because they are all processed na. The best way (IMHO) to evaluate all how the D800 sensor performs in terms of high iso noise is looking at it from this raw view:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/RGB_channels_separation.png)

BTW, Phase One medium format digital back is coming out with an All-Monochrome sensor specifically for monochrome shooters and digital monochrome output. A single unit probably would  cost around 10-15 units of D800.

You can read more about it here: http://www.phaseone.com/en/Digital-Backs/Achromatic/Achromatic-plus-Technologies.aspx (http://www.phaseone.com/en/Digital-Backs/Achromatic/Achromatic-plus-Technologies.aspx)

"The Phase One Achromatic+ is a 39 megapixel medium format digital camera back that provides wide spectrum black and white images with an unprecedented high level of accuracy.

The Achromatic+ is the first commercially available medium format back that is a true replacement for almost all scientific black and white film types at much higher quality and with far more consistency.

Traditionally, most camera sensors have a Bayer pattern of individual red, green and blue filters for each pixel. These individual colors are then interpolated through numerous methods to create RGB data for each pixel. The Achromatic+ back is designed to be a black and white only product with no color filters on the sensor."

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on March 08, 2012, 12:14:28 PM
Mukhang napaparami na ang nalalaman ko from you Thor. I think we need some hydration when you'll be here...buko juice, fruit shakes and probably a wilkins  ;D :D ;)...
Anyway, salamat sa info. Hemorrhage ang utak ko. I have a feeling na you have dig so deep into this hobby.At times you don't sound like a sleep inductor.Perhaps that is the effect of too much endorphins after inhaling those leakage from your machine....joke po.
What if the d800 tonal gradations is as good or better than the d3s, are you going to bite  it?
I hope those who will receive their d800 soon can send you a copy of their raw shots.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 08, 2012, 01:11:40 PM
Naka tag and bagged na ang D800 kay Thor. First priority ng BnH yan sa delivery. Now if only maka hanap ako ng 8 gig memory and 1 gig VC para pang process ng file ng 36mp files.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on March 08, 2012, 10:19:18 PM
Mukhang napaparami na ang nalalaman ko from you Thor. I think we need some hydration when you'll be here...buko juice, fruit shakes and probably a wilkins  ;D :D ;)...
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Doc, mahabang kwentohan yun sigurado at madami maiinom natin!  ;D

Dito sa trabaho kasi madami kaming electronic and video equipments so when sales representative come in to do their pitches I talk to them at the level of equipment, always try to figure out how they work, and what kind of software drives them. Alam mo naman ang sales they try to sell, tayo naman we try to save lives. Catastrophic equipment failure is not an option para sa linya ng trabaho natin.

Firmware is a big deal. Kita mo na lang sa X10 and its orb issue. Firmware is also responsible why Olympus jpeg looks great and firmware is also the reason why Nikon tends to have reddish skin tones.

One of the best firmware in the past is the one that drove D40. Ganda ng firmware ng D40 and its output. Unfortunately, dahil kay KR with his propensity for thermonuclear saturation settings (Vivid settings to the max), a generation of Nikon users thought that blasting images with intense yellows and reds is the proper way. Nikon tried to implement the D40 settings sa D300 pero something along the way made them abandon the idea.

Yung sa D2x settings nga nilagay nila sa NX2 as an option for D200 and later for D300 shooters. I guess they figured to let the consumers decide for themselves.

I am hoping talaga that the D800 will have similar tonal gradations gaya ng D3s - very smooth ang akyat ng tonal gradations and gentle between transitions. People talk about the 1-2 stops advantage ng D3s over the current Nikon bodies and I think we can attribute this to how the firmware drives the image capture and processing.

I will be getting the D800 RAW files in a couple of weeks. I have an arrangements made already to shoot a D800 and keep the RAW files eh. My Nikkor 50mm 1.2 is waiting for it. ;D

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on March 08, 2012, 10:26:03 PM
I will be getting the D800 RAW files in a couple of weeks. I have an arrangements made already to shoot a D800 and keep the RAW files eh. My Nikkor 50mm 1.2 is waiting for it. ;D

We'll be standing by to read what you find out Thor. Some real world examples that are unbiased review is what most people are after. The D4 should be out on the 15th.  I'm sure the forums will be busy again as the camera reaches the pros and early buyers.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 08, 2012, 10:42:06 PM
Quote
I will be getting the D800 RAW files in a couple of weeks. I have an arrangements made already to shoot a D800 and keep the RAW files eh. My Nikkor 50mm 1.2 is waiting for it. ;D

Sensie ang lakas mo talaga sa Bnh naka priority ka talaga,,,,, kaabang-abang ang analysis mo sa D800 RAW files.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on March 08, 2012, 10:46:18 PM
Additional comparison pictures with the D700

(http://www.biccamera.com/bicbic/jsp/w/d_camera/nikon/d800/sample/d800_gaikan07s.jpg)

(http://www.biccamera.com/bicbic/jsp/w/d_camera/nikon/d800/sample/d800_gaikan06s.jpg)

(http://www.biccamera.com/bicbic/jsp/w/d_camera/nikon/d800/sample/d800_gaikan04.jpg)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 08, 2012, 10:56:31 PM
@gq
    mas makapal ba ang D800 sa D700?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on March 09, 2012, 02:54:12 AM
Naka tag and bagged na ang D800 kay Thor. First priority ng BnH yan sa delivery. Now if only maka hanap ako ng 8 gig memory and 1 gig VC para pang process ng file ng 36mp files.


Jun,

Heto, D800 NEF files - pagpraktisan mo muna and see if you need to upgrade your computer gear:

***warning: 522 MB download file***

D800 NEF files including iso 6400 shot: http://narod.ru/disk/40067882001/1.zip.html (http://narod.ru/disk/40067882001/1.zip.html)

Click mo lang yung link, then you'll see a generated number code, insert the code sa box. Download, unzip, then post-process mo and see how you like the D800 NEF file processing.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 09, 2012, 03:00:49 AM
Ok I'll try this,,,, mukhang nakakakilabot to ah,,, segurado need to upgrade my lappy ahehehee.

Follow-up lang latin kasi yung pagkakasulat ng site. After enter ang code should I click the green box? Di kasi nag DL.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on March 09, 2012, 04:34:17 AM
Ok I'll try this,,,, mukhang nakakakilabot to ah,,, segurado need to upgrade my lappy ahehehee.

Follow-up lang latin kasi yung pagkakasulat ng site. After enter ang code should I click the green box? Di kasi nag DL.

Yes, enter the number sa box below it. Kung hindi nag-download, try clicking againg yung parang naka-rotate na figure above the box to give you a new set of numbers. Baka naman bina-block ng firewall mo yung access.

I downloaded it before nasa bahay ako pero ngayon kasi nasa trabaho ako and blocked ng firewall namin for downloading.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on March 09, 2012, 07:12:35 AM
Jun, I just realized nga pala, if you are using Firefox ayaw niyan mag download. I had to use Internet Explorer and took me more than 30 minutes to download the D800 NEF folder kasi ang laki nung folder eh.

Also, kailangan mo yung latest ViewNX2 for D800 to process the NEF and convert them to jpeg with the settings na nasa D800 rin here:

http://support.nikonusa.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/17657 (http://support.nikonusa.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/17657)

If you want to process them in Photoshop, you need the Release Candidate version of ACR 7 (currently called
Adobe Photoshop Camera Raw 6.7 Release Candidate), may support na siya for D800 NEFs:

http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/cameraraw6-7.html (http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/cameraraw6-7.html)

When I get home, check ko ulit kung active pa yung D800 NEF files link for downloading.

Let me summarize yung links:

1) for D800 NEF files (use Internet Explorer) - http://narod.ru/disk/40067882001/1.zip.html (http://narod.ru/disk/40067882001/1.zip.html)

2) Latest ViewNX2 with D800 support - http://support.nikonusa.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/17657 (http://support.nikonusa.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/17657)

3) Beta version of ACR 7 - http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/cameraraw6-7.html (http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/cameraraw6-7.html)

okey! the ball is in your hands, test mo kung kaya ng laptop mo i-process yung D800 NEF files ng hindi ka nabibitin.  ;D

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 09, 2012, 07:30:10 AM
ayaw mag install ng ACR update ahehehehee ,,, naghahanap ng legit. Antayin ko nalang yung kasaling NX2 niya para ma test. Ilang tulog nalang.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on March 09, 2012, 08:26:24 AM
ayaw mag install ng ACR update ahehehehee ,,, naghahanap ng legit. Antayin ko nalang yung kasaling NX2 niya para ma test. Ilang tulog nalang.
Malapit na nga!! Update us agad para naman mahipo din namin !!!Sana magustuhan mo!! Warning lang, baka marami kaming irequest sayo...sana hindi ka magsawa!!!Salamat... ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 09, 2012, 08:28:21 AM
nakakapag type pa ako ,,,, pero di na ako nakakabasa, lol...... sana nga first batch sa delivery,
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on March 09, 2012, 09:19:21 AM
nakakapag type pa ako ,,,, pero di na ako nakakabasa, lol...... sana nga first batch sa delivery,


Jun, heto, one of the NEF files sa folder na pwedeng i-download shot at iso 6400, 1/1000, f2.8 (Nikkor 50 1.8G):

iso 6400

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7199/6819528162_2e36bd60b5_b.jpg)

crop of the shadows:

iso 6400

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7055/6965649073_cc893df694_b.jpg)

Looking at the image, the shiny steel pot against a bright background highlights, tapos the reds in the steel pot - tough scene yan and the EV is wide on the shot above...

For others interested in playing with the NEF files download nyo lang yung folder. See also kung kailangan nyo ba mag-upgrade ng computer to convert D800 NEF files.

I tested my 2 year old Asus UL30A 13.3" with Mobile Core 2 Duo chip, 4 GB RAM, basic Intel GM video card running the ViewNX2 - ok naman, mabilis naman ang conversion ng images.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on March 09, 2012, 09:43:46 AM
That looks decent to my eye especially if you are viewing it at 25% or so.  Mahirap talaga kapag sa dark shadows ang pinag uusapan. Diyan ako medyo na iirita ng konte that is why I try to shoot at lower ISO levels if I can para malinis talaga ang image.   Worse case scenario, use a noise ninja or something similar to clean up the noise.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: NIKKOR on March 09, 2012, 10:37:38 AM
Additional comparison pictures with the D700

([url]http://www.biccamera.com/bicbic/jsp/w/d_camera/nikon/d800/sample/d800_gaikan07s.jpg[/url])

([url]http://www.biccamera.com/bicbic/jsp/w/d_camera/nikon/d800/sample/d800_gaikan06s.jpg[/url])

([url]http://www.biccamera.com/bicbic/jsp/w/d_camera/nikon/d800/sample/d800_gaikan04.jpg[/url])


Macho nga especially on top view - makapal :o. Sa harapan parang mas maliit (without D700) kasi medyo naka slant ang top left controls. 
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 09, 2012, 02:43:16 PM
I am not sure kung ok lang ba ang specs ng lappy ko to process d800 nef files.  4 gig ram , 256 mb vc, unfotunately 32 bit.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: kikopaolo on March 09, 2012, 03:37:00 PM
I am not sure kung ok lang ba ang specs ng lappy ko to process d800 nef files.  4 gig ram , 256 mb vc, unfotunately 32 bit.

kaya po cguro yan, barely.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 09, 2012, 04:57:40 PM
"Nikon D4 and D800 pre-orders are back on Amazon with a March 20th release date"
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on March 09, 2012, 06:10:24 PM
"Nikon D4 and D800 pre-orders are back on Amazon with a March 20th release date"

Baka meron na si Mang Ramon sa April hehehe
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on March 09, 2012, 08:48:55 PM
That looks decent to my eye especially if you are viewing it at 25% or so.  Mahirap talaga kapag sa dark shadows ang pinag uusapan. Diyan ako medyo na iirita ng konte that is why I try to shoot at lower ISO levels if I can para malinis talaga ang image.   Worse case scenario, use a noise ninja or something similar to clean up the noise.


Glenn, forget about Noise Ninja or lowering the ISO.  ;)

We need to light up the shadows and overpower the sun with flash. We really don't want to miss shadow details lalo na for a shot with the sun in the background. We need to bring the strobes and light up the shadows.

My current favorite example why we need to overpower the sun (Kate Upton in Boracay photoshoot): ;D ;D ;D

(http://api.ning.com/files/kYZB2GElKyL4dnyctg3ZxDfovUdmGnX5CFTmdvERsgrR*302z7j3zfdBRmgvza6aPZmjAhSlc8QREPDUH0RqHZVn9kBEKonk/KateUptonSportsIllustratedSwimsuit20111.jpg)

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 09, 2012, 09:21:14 PM
Mahirap tong naglalaba ka tapos yung last post ni Thor ang nababasa mo ,lol.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on March 09, 2012, 09:45:12 PM
Mahirap tong naglalaba ka tapos yung last post ni Thor ang nababasa mo ,lol.


LOL :D

Jun, kaya nga natatawa ako sa mga test images for high iso ng D800 saka D4 eh.

Sa akin, kahit na ba superlinis yung D800/D4 sa iso 6400, when we are faced with a situation to shoot a subject na ayaw natin ma-miss yung shadow details,  time to set up the strobes! Light up the scene, ilawan yung kailangan ilawan! LOL

Si Kate Upton ulit sa Boracay para sa'yo, 'bro!

(sa palagay mo ba you will trust shooting the scene without a flash with D800 for a shot a like this?)

(http://www.kikidollbeach.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Kate-Upton-in-Kikidoll-Aqua-Coral-Branch-Bikini.jpg)

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on March 09, 2012, 10:08:23 PM
How about the Face Recognition feature,Thor? Ehmmm ahem ahem....dapat pala may body recognition din. Pagmataba didilim at maraming noise . Pag sexy maglight up at optimized ang scene  ;D  ;) :D and the rest something in between. We will not be using strobes and flashes. It is built in the firmware. LOL!!!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on March 09, 2012, 10:18:40 PM
How about the Face Recognition feature,Thor? Ehmmm ahem ahem....dapat pala may body recognition din. Pagmataba didilim at maraming noise . Pag sexy maglight up at optimized ang scene  ;D  ;) :D and the rest something in between. We will not be using strobes and flashes. It is built in the firmware. LOL!!!


LOL  :D :D :D

Doc, kaya nga I am really interested sa Face Metering ng D800 eh.

Here's another Kate Upton image from Boracay (ganito ba yung iniisip mo about the face optimized tapos yung katawan ma-didistort? ;D)

(http://brosome.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Kate-Upton-SI-Outtakes-1.jpg)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on March 09, 2012, 11:32:32 PM
LOL  :D :D :D

Doc, kaya nga I am really interested sa Face Metering ng D800 eh.

Here's another Kate Upton image from Boracay (ganito ba yung iniisip mo about the face optimized tapos yung katawan ma-didistort? ;D)

([url]http://brosome.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Kate-Upton-SI-Outtakes-1.jpg[/url])

LOL, pagnagkataon the face metering is the selling feature among portrait and people photographers.I really hope na di gimmick ng Nikon yan!!! Yong human body beautiful optimization baka sa dXXXX pa yan, about 10  nikon camera generations from now.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on March 10, 2012, 12:01:18 AM
LOL, pagnagkataon the face metering is the selling feature among portrait and people photographers.I really hope na di gimmick ng Nikon yan!!! Yong human body beautiful optimization baka sa dXXXX pa yan, about 10  nikon camera generations from now.

Serious mode ulit ako, Doc... pahinga muna from Kate Upton examples... ;D

Face Metering is all about highlights roll-off and shoulder. Wala kasing shoulder sa magkabilang side ng histogram, meaning, as you get closer to either ends of the histogram, paglumagpas ka, bagsak agad yun - blown or no details. This has been the problem with digital photography since na-imbento ang sensor.

I think Nikon is closer to that elusive goal of telling the sensors how to record light (or lack of light) and gradually roll-off the highlights while preserving the midtones and shadows. Kaya I think hindi gimik yang Face Metering na yan eh.

Here's why I think hindi gimik:

When light hits the sensor, "a charge either accumulates or dissipates (depending on the sensor technology). Its response is well behaved right up until the point of saturation, at which time it abruptly stops. There is no forgiveness by gradually backing off, as was the case with film."

Kaya we see blown highlights sa background ng portraits if we meter for the face OR if we balance the metering with the background highlights we end up with dark portraits (if we do not light up the face).

Based on what I read so far about how the Face Metering works I think it is legit. We have been doing it with Spot Metering, ang problema natin walang shoulder sa highlight portion, as soon as ma-saturate yung sensor ng ilaw, sabog agad ang resulta sa pixels. Trial and error ang resulta - test fires until we get the settings right. Of course, this takes time, experimentation, and eventually gaining the experience how to do it quicker.

I think Nikon is closer to that goal of controlling how the sensor saturates at the extreme end and give you a gradual roll-off without blowing up the highlights and blocking the shadows. Add this to more powerful processing power sa cameras, it becomes a matter of the firmware picking from thousands of possible scenarios kung ano ba yun mini-meter mo and will give you a very close exposure to what you have in mind.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: bender on March 10, 2012, 01:04:01 AM
At bit OT but if you compared Kate Upton's shots in Boracay versus this year's shots, the Boracay shots were sharper and more naturally looking versus this year's which were obviously Photoshopped.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: likhamira on March 10, 2012, 06:50:11 AM
all those technical talk and nitty gritty geek speak on the d800 makes me want to get it now...
...either that - or this kate upton in boracay. ::) ::) ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 11, 2012, 12:46:52 AM
@Thor
      Kumusta naman ang speed when you work with the D800 file with your current lappy/desktop? Anong spec ng unit na ginamit mo?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on March 11, 2012, 07:38:03 AM
@Thor
      Kumusta naman ang speed when you work with the D800 file with your current lappy/desktop? Anong spec ng unit na ginamit mo?

Jun, ginamit ko yung lap top ko na binabiyahe ko between Pinas and New York, eto specs niya:

Asus UL30A
1.3GHz Intel SU7300 Core 2 Duo Processor
4GB of DDR3 RAM
500GB SATA Hard Drive (5400 RPM)
13.3" HD LED LCD Display, Intel GMA 4500MHD

Mabilis naman for ViewNX2. With CS5, pareho lang as before when I was working with multiple layers up to 10 layers. Medyo bumabagal with layer masking, pero pwede na pagtiyagaan. Keep in mind dinosaur specs na yan, not even an I3 specs yan.

Yung desktop ko sa bahay basic lang din, eto specs niya:

Dell Studio XPS 7100
AMD Phenom II X6 2.6 GHz Six-Core processor w/ AMD Turbo technology
16 GB DDR3 SDRAM 1333 MHz
120 GB SSD HD for programs
1 TB SATA 7200 rpm for file storage
ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB

No difference from my previous CS5 file speeds. Hindi nagha-hang when I tried layer masking work, sang tambak na layers tested. Sa trabaho, I have a more powerful Apple desktop pero I process my photo files at home also, kaya sa bahay ko lang na-test muna.

I have a more powerful laptop with SSD HD, and it flies but that is a function of the SSD HD, not the file size na.

Ang kailangan talaga, I think, for budget considerations is an external HD for your D800 files. That suggestion is for the hobbyists. I can not recommend for professionals kasi iba-iba naman ang needs nila, for example batch processing, panorama work with huge file sizes, time-lapse, or video work.

For weekend and occasional event shooters - whatever you have right now that you are using sa present set-up, I don't see the point of upgrading your system (as long they are at least 2 year old tech). You do need an external HD if you are a RAW and video shooter.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 11, 2012, 08:09:02 AM
For D800 files ok lang ba to na specs

XPS Intel Core2Duo 1.66ghz
4gig DDR3 Ram
Nvidia GeForce 256mb video card
Vista 32bit....toink ok lang ba to?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on March 11, 2012, 08:37:56 AM
For D800 files ok lang ba to na specs

XPS Intel Core2Duo 1.66ghz
4gig DDR3 Ram
Nvidia GeForce 256mb video card
Vista 32bit....toink ok lang ba to?


Jun, iba-iba style natin how we process files. The only way you can find out is run a D800 NEF file sa set-up mo and process like you normally do.

Here, I uploaded two D800 NEF files, both iso 6400, 49mb file size lang sila each, it will take you probably 2-3 minutes download time each lang yan:

download them here:

http://www.yousendit.com/download/M3Brek9oZ1B5UkUxZXNUQw (http://www.yousendit.com/download/M3Brek9oZ1B5UkUxZXNUQw)

http://www.yousendit.com/download/M3Brek9oZ1BubVcwYjhUQw (http://www.yousendit.com/download/M3Brek9oZ1BubVcwYjhUQw)

To process them, download mo yung free ViewNX2 I suggested before (1-2 minute download lang yun din):

Scroll down for the version that you need:
http://support.nikonusa.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/17657/session/L2F2LzEvdGltZS8xMzMxNDI2Nzg0L3NpZC9PUDRWU01Taw%3D%3D (http://support.nikonusa.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/17657/session/L2F2LzEvdGltZS8xMzMxNDI2Nzg0L3NpZC9PUDRWU01Taw%3D%3D)

You can play with jpeg factory conversion using the ViewNX2 settings OR convert them to TIFF files then open the TIFF files in CS5 and process them. That is the only way you can test your present system kasi PP style-dependent ang processing power needs eh.



Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on March 11, 2012, 09:26:02 AM
BTW, anyone can download the 2 iso 6400 NEF files and play with it. It is available until Mar 17. For those who are curious to see D800 iso 6400 at 100% resolution, download nyo lang.

I have them in jpeg too but I don't see the point of seeing the high iso jpeg files. We all have different ways of cleaning up high iso images so the NEF files are what I consider the gold standard for judging high iso performance.

I have other D800 NEF files available up to 2+ EV over iso 6400 or iso 25600, unfortunately they are over 50 mb file sizes and my file hosting is limited to less than 50 mb file uploads/downloads for free.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: enshong on March 11, 2012, 07:47:42 PM
Aabot kaya ng P130k ang D800 dito sa Philippines?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on March 11, 2012, 08:41:07 PM
BTW, anyone can download the 2 iso 6400 NEF files and play with it. It is available until Mar 17. For those who are curious to see D800 iso 6400 at 100% resolution, download nyo lang.

I have them in jpeg too but I don't see the point of seeing the high iso jpeg files. We all have different ways of cleaning up high iso images so the NEF files are what I consider the gold standard for judging high iso performance.

Thanks for sharing the files Thor. I just find out that the NEF files won't even open up using view NX and Adobe CS5 Version 12.1 64 bit. Windows  photo viewer was able to open the NEF file.  My desktop is up to the task using the large NEF file just like the video files that I process from the D7000.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: LawrenceL on March 11, 2012, 08:50:30 PM
BTW, anyone can download the 2 iso 6400 NEF files and play with it. It is available until Mar 17. For those who are curious to see D800 iso 6400 at 100% resolution, download nyo lang.

I have them in jpeg too but I don't see the point of seeing the high iso jpeg files. We all have different ways of cleaning up high iso images so the NEF files are what I consider the gold standard for judging high iso performance.

I have other D800 NEF files available up to 2+ EV over iso 6400 or iso 25600, unfortunately they are over 50 mb file sizes and my file hosting is limited to less than 50 mb file uploads/downloads for free.

Thanks for the link of the NEF file, was able to play around and test my system, NP on jpegs but almost got stuck on the 16bit file.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on March 11, 2012, 09:20:36 PM
Thanks for sharing the files Thor. I just find out that the NEF files won't even open up using view NX and Adobe CS5 Version 12.1 64 bit. Windows  photo viewer was able to open the NEF file.  My desktop is up to the task using the large NEF file just like the video files that I process from the D7000.


Glenn, update mo na yang CS5 mo with the ACR 7 beta version (Camera Raw 6.7 Release Candidate) so you can process D800 and D4 NEF files. Kailangan mo rin naman yan for your D4 once na-deliver na sa'yo:

http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/cameraraw6-7.html (http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/cameraraw6-7.html)



Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 11, 2012, 09:29:05 PM
Sensie , thanks sa files.

D800
Pre order. Released in limited qty
Expected availability: March 22 2012


Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on March 11, 2012, 09:51:17 PM
Glenn, update mo na yang CS5 mo with the ACR 7 beta version (Camera Raw 6.7 Release Candidate) so you can process D800 and D4 NEF files. Kailangan mo rin naman yan for your D4 once na-deliver na sa'yo:

[url]http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/cameraraw6-7.html[/url] ([url]http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/cameraraw6-7.html[/url])

Thanks for sharing the link Thor. I was able to open the new NEF file now. I hope Adobe will generate the update so that I don't have to deal with the pop-up reminder.  ;D




Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 11, 2012, 10:16:27 PM
Save $50 on Adobe Photoshop Lightroom 4 Software for Mac & Windows
When purchased together with the D800 SLR Digital Camera (Body Only)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 13, 2012, 10:30:54 PM
@gq
"Nikon D4 en route to some dealers in Europe"  Malapit na seguro yung sa iyo.

This means malapit na rin ang D800.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 14, 2012, 01:29:19 AM
@gq
  Kuya meron nang update, "The first Nikon D4 is already in the hands of a reader in Prague, Czech Republic. The camera was delivered today by the NPS pro-dealer Fotoskoda."

D800 is comming to town soon.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 14, 2012, 02:34:42 AM
D800 price drop.
From $2999.95 now only $2999.00
A savings of 0.95

@Amazon.com
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on March 14, 2012, 09:22:19 AM
@gq
"Nikon D4 en route to some dealers in Europe"  Malapit na seguro yung sa iyo.

This means malapit na rin ang D800.

Thanks for the info Jun.  Yung sabi sa akin ng B&H Photo " I AM SORRY" backordered ang sa iyo!  ;D :o
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on March 14, 2012, 02:58:23 PM
May pre-order na ng d800 locally, 160k daw.
Ang layo ng price ng One Stop Shop  >:(
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on March 14, 2012, 04:58:16 PM
May pre-order na ng d800 locally, 160k daw.
Ang layo ng price ng One Stop Shop  >:(

SRP Nikon 3000.00
      Canon 3500.00
Gray Units
       Nikon Php 160k
       Canon php 140K
Hmmmm...Yan nga sinasabi ko...hintay na lang ako next year. The sellers will take advantage of short supply and internet hype ng d800 just like the d7000.

Dapat sabihin natin panget ang d800 bulok!! :D ;D ::)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on March 14, 2012, 05:35:05 PM
Doc- grabe and noise and banding ng D800 at ISO 400. Don't buy it!  ;)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: photo_me on March 14, 2012, 06:00:30 PM
@Thor - thanks a lot for all your inputs.  Really valuable especially for us eyeing the D800  ;)


BTW, anyone can download the 2 iso 6400 NEF files and play with it. It is available until Mar 17. For those who are curious to see D800 iso 6400 at 100% resolution, download nyo lang.

I have them in jpeg too but I don't see the point of seeing the high iso jpeg files. We all have different ways of cleaning up high iso images so the NEF files are what I consider the gold standard for judging high iso performance.

I have other D800 NEF files available up to 2+ EV over iso 6400 or iso 25600, unfortunately they are over 50 mb file sizes and my file hosting is limited to less than 50 mb file uploads/downloads for free.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on March 14, 2012, 06:08:45 PM
Doc- grabe and noise and banding ng D800 at ISO 400. Don't buy it!  ;)

Mukhang d700 bagsak ko!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: LawrenceL on March 14, 2012, 06:11:58 PM
SRP Nikon 3000.00
      Canon 3500.00
Gray Units
       Nikon Php 160k
       Canon php 140K
Hmmmm...Yan nga sinasabi ko...hintay na lang ako next year. The sellers will take advantage of short supply and internet hype ng d800 just like the d7000.

Dapat sabihin natin panget ang d800 bulok!! :D ;D ::)

PHP 160T I will go on 2nd hand D3s.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on March 14, 2012, 06:35:13 PM
Doc- grabe and noise and banding ng D800 at ISO 400. Don't buy it!  ;)
Oo nga!! Hwag na lang kayo bumili ng d800. Welga tayo!!! Sobrang blurry yong image ng d800.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: yourdone on March 15, 2012, 08:50:36 PM
D800 Unboxing!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jA1VkFHKa3Y&feature=related# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jA1VkFHKa3Y&feature=related#)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: iampoch on March 16, 2012, 07:39:14 AM
Points to ponder with the D800 according to Matt Granger:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brtPi9oVJ4Y&feature=g-all-u&context=G2173a56FAAAAAAAAEAA# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brtPi9oVJ4Y&feature=g-all-u&context=G2173a56FAAAAAAAAEAA#)

It seems that the D800 will be very unwieldy hand-held :(
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: battousai21 on March 16, 2012, 08:52:34 AM
^if you can live with sharpness of d7k, okay na sayu d800... and so far, more than a year na akong masaya sa d7k ku.. hehehe...


san bang hidlago store nagppapre-order nitu? 
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: likhamira on March 17, 2012, 12:15:21 AM
i realized that the d800 really sucks, it really does.  ::) ::) ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on March 17, 2012, 12:17:21 AM
According to other forums one stop better daw ang ISO performance ng 5d mkiii, can anyone confirm?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on March 17, 2012, 12:53:47 AM
i realized that the D4 is what i really wanted. however, it is just too big. expensive is not a problem, resale price is...specially considering how cheap pro bodies sell.  :o :o :o
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on March 17, 2012, 06:46:36 AM
Unless it is a tool for your professional needs, it is really hard to justify spending that much on a body that will depreciate the moment that you unboxed it.However, for those with plenty to spare it is another matter though.

i realized that the d800 really sucks, it really does.  ::) ::) ;D
;D ;D ;D
According to other forums one stop better daw ang ISO performance ng 5d mkiii, can anyone confirm?
We expect the 5dMK3 will be better at high iso no doubt about it. For how many stop? That is hard to confirm until reliable tests will be out. Personally, I won't compare it with other brands unless I am shifting. It will worth the while if I am a Nikon user looking for an upgrade to compare it with the d700. IMHO  ;)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on March 17, 2012, 08:02:24 AM
D800/5dmk3/d4 ISO 12800 Comparison

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=40917675 (http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=40917675)

Ang lapit ng performance ng tatlo pero syempre pinaka malinas ang D4 since it has the least resolution.

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: tripnienchong on March 17, 2012, 08:40:54 AM
D800/5dmk3/d4 ISO 12800 Comparison

[url]http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=40917675[/url] ([url]http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=40917675[/url])

Ang lapit ng performance ng tatlo pero syempre pinaka malinas ang D4 since it has the least resolution.




Almost the same yung quality ni D800 at 5D3, halos di ko makita difference, ang nakita ko lang iba is yung sa settings. Sama ang aperture, iso, saka EV, pero si shutter speed, magkaiba. Mas mabilis si D800 kesa kay 5D3.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on March 17, 2012, 02:18:49 PM
Since pareho naman sila winners, tingnan na lang natin external image ng mga camera  ;D :D ;) Sino sa tingin nyo ang pinakseksi at maganda, Nikon d800,d4 o 5dmk3? Be honest!!!Bawal fan boy  ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: tripnienchong on March 17, 2012, 03:05:18 PM
Since pareho naman sila winners, tingnan na lang natin external image ng mga camera  ;D :D ;) Sino sa tingin nyo ang pinakseksi at maganda, Nikon d800,d4 o 5dmk3? Be honest!!!Bawal fan boy  ;D

Kung sino mas sexy, sa tingin ko si 5D3 dahil sa mga curves sa grip at shutter button, pero kung sino mas macho, sa tingin ko si D800.

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on March 17, 2012, 03:43:43 PM
Si D800, viewfinder pa lang macho na  :D

I saw another noise comparison, medyo nagpareho ang d800 iso 25600 vs 5dmk3 iso 51200, anyway noisy rin naman pareho.
Di na siguro dapat pinaguusapan ang iso performance, parang nareach na nila ang d3s somehow yun nga lang we can't compare 12mp to those monster resolution.

May konte daw problem d800 sa 24 tilt-shift lens, bumabangga yung flash compartment hehehe. Bad design IMHO, studio pros dont use that, they prefer RF triggers.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: chaloy on March 17, 2012, 03:54:14 PM
D800/5dmk3/d4 ISO 12800 Comparison

[url]http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=40917675[/url] ([url]http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=40917675[/url])

Ang lapit ng performance ng tatlo pero syempre pinaka malinas ang D4 since it has the least resolution.




IMO, that comparison is invalid since the D4/800 have different shutterspeeds compared to the 5D3. The lighting setups between cameras are not consistent.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on March 17, 2012, 06:22:26 PM
Interview with Jim Brandenburg. Parang hindi yata sinali sa Bob Krist lately.

http://bcove.me/1z17edr8 (http://bcove.me/1z17edr8)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 17, 2012, 07:45:14 PM
thanks sa link gq
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on March 17, 2012, 08:36:19 PM
Interview with Jim Brandenburg. Parang hindi yata sinali sa Bob Krist lately.

[url]http://bcove.me/1z17edr8[/url] ([url]http://bcove.me/1z17edr8[/url])

Darn....he was so impressed ;)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on March 17, 2012, 09:46:59 PM
Darn....he was so impressed ;)

He mentioned that the D800 is much better than the D700.  :o
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: edy_tanguilig on March 17, 2012, 10:16:30 PM
He mentioned that the D800 is much better than the D700.  :o


 and was like shooting in a medium format camera..hassleblad territory..not for action shots was clearly emphasized.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 18, 2012, 02:53:11 AM
@gq
    na try mo nang ma shoot ang D4 and D800 tama ba? sa booth ng Nikon?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on March 18, 2012, 07:33:39 AM
@gq
    na try mo nang ma shoot ang D4 and D800 tama ba? sa booth ng Nikon?

Yes Jun. Hindi ko lang na galaw ang menus dahil hapon and sulat. Pero matindi ang af ng dalawa. Ibang iba sa D700 and D7000.  :o :o
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 18, 2012, 07:57:35 AM
Hindi ba maselan sa handling for the sharpness.... Kailangan ba ng tripod
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: techie.gadget on March 18, 2012, 09:38:56 PM
Hindi ba maselan sa handling for the sharpness.... Kailangan ba ng tripod

Jun, if you can shoot handheld with the D7000, there is no reason why you cannot do the same with the D800.  I am currently shooting with a 24mp NEX-7 which if extended to full frame would be 54mp while the D800 is "just" 36mp.  I am using Nikon lenses with it so no OSS (Sony VR equivalent) but have no problem shooting the NEX-7 handheld.

Regardless of your camera hand holding skills however, a tripod shot will likely be steadier and thus better.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 18, 2012, 09:46:59 PM
Thanks sa.feedback techie
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 19, 2012, 06:22:10 AM
Just came from BnH, they ran out of stock of D4,,, D800 shipment will stard this March 22
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: kikopaolo on March 21, 2012, 11:09:50 PM
mga bossing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDduTZJWsO8&feature=player_embedded# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDduTZJWsO8&feature=player_embedded#)

 ;)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: peppersauce on March 22, 2012, 03:30:35 AM
 ;D natawa ako sa unboxing, parang dami nya pang D800 na bubuksan.... :o
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 22, 2012, 03:45:59 AM
Hay  salamat bukas start na ng delivery ng pre-order.......... Di lang nga ako kasali sa mga unang tatanggap hehehehehe.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on March 22, 2012, 04:41:27 AM
Kung sino man una makakabili dito sa pinas pede kayo magtayo ng d800 club?  ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on March 22, 2012, 06:07:44 AM
Hindi ba maselan sa handling for the sharpness.... Kailangan ba ng tripod

A more realistic way to find out if your hand-holding technique / skills is good enough is by turning "off" VR or IS and shoot. Pixel peep at 100% magnification and see how many are sharp and how many are good keepers. Shoot using various shutter speeds below 1/320 without flash.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 22, 2012, 07:02:44 AM
Tried it ...... Pre- ordering D700 ulit heheheheheh..... Di kinaya ng powers.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on March 22, 2012, 07:46:27 AM
Tried it ...... Pre- ordering D700 ulit heheheheheh..... Di kinaya ng powers.

Di kana kukuha sir ng d800?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: bikoy888 on March 22, 2012, 08:45:27 AM
mga bossing

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDduTZJWsO8&feature=player_embedded#[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDduTZJWsO8&feature=player_embedded#[/url])

 ;)


parang galit ah  ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 22, 2012, 12:28:23 PM
March 22 na backordered pa rin.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on March 23, 2012, 08:34:43 AM
March 22 na backordered pa rin.

Users from other countries are receiving their d800.


Samples of high iso portrait (http://www.nikonuser.info/fotoforum/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=1571&sid=5c39a23942ea60e5a0882133246a7a4b)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: alvinthx2 on March 23, 2012, 08:38:02 AM
Pre ordered mine last Feb 8 pa sa B&H, backordered pa rin!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on March 23, 2012, 08:41:21 AM
The more you spend time in tracking it, the more you'll be frustrated.

There is no use to try with Amazon either. They'll even send you confusing replies. Just wait and it will arrive in due time.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on March 23, 2012, 08:49:23 AM
Users from other countries are receiving their d800.


Samples of high iso portrait ([url]http://www.nikonuser.info/fotoforum/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=1571&sid=5c39a23942ea60e5a0882133246a7a4b[/url])


Doc- thanks for sharing the link. The images look pretty clean when downsampled but they look soft to my eye. This could be more of a flaw in his hand-holding technique which is what we've been discussing here all along.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on March 23, 2012, 11:34:12 AM
Doc- thanks for sharing the link. The images look pretty clean when downsampled but they look soft to my eye. This could be more of a flaw in his hand-holding technique which is what we've been discussing here all along.
I am not that impressed with hi-iso samples of any camera to date if we go down pixel peeping.Most of the images are usable at high iso though.Besides light is light and when there is none then there is no good image.Even our eyes have to struggle at night. The yellow,red , orange, etc, do not look right at night.We have to accept that.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 23, 2012, 11:48:08 AM
How about this blog
http://blog.mingthein.com/2012/03/23/first-impressions-review-the-nikon-d800/ (http://blog.mingthein.com/2012/03/23/first-impressions-review-the-nikon-d800/)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 23, 2012, 12:20:18 PM
Pahabol pa pala tong isa

http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/03/22/Nikon-D800-First-Impressions (http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/03/22/Nikon-D800-First-Impressions)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on March 23, 2012, 09:14:39 PM
Studio test at ISO 6400

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/nikon-d800/FULLRES/D800INBI06400.HTM (http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/nikon-d800/FULLRES/D800INBI06400.HTM)

Parang ok na sakin ang iso performance nya, meron parin detail sa hair eh. At ISO 12800 medyo close to unusable on large prints. Sana close lang ito sa 5d3 at baka mapashift ako kapag hindi :)
 
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: bryanvcpalacio on March 23, 2012, 09:58:19 PM
just came from henry's in G5. they're taking orders for D800 @ 130k, very cheap compared to the 5D3 of 156k. you need to pay Dp of 50% though... bad thing is they dont have the exact date when it will be available and they are all grey units :)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 23, 2012, 10:10:28 PM
Studio test at ISO 6400

[url]http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/nikon-d800/FULLRES/D800INBI06400.HTM[/url] ([url]http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/nikon-d800/FULLRES/D800INBI06400.HTM[/url])

Parang ok na sakin ang iso performance nya, meron parin detail sa hair eh. At ISO 12800 medyo close to unusable on large prints. Sana close lang ito sa 5d3 at baka mapashift ako kapag hindi :)
 



Hindi ata kuya,,,,, Lilipat ka na? :)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on March 23, 2012, 11:12:57 PM
Ok eto iniintay natin sa DXOMARK, D800 is now #1
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 23, 2012, 11:31:07 PM
asan ang link sa DXo
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on March 23, 2012, 11:36:10 PM
asan ang link sa DXo


Sorry sir Jun, di ko rin mabuksan eh, mukhang dami nagbubukas ngayon ng site nila. We received it thru RSS feeds lang po. Score is 95%. Ang natatandaan ko mataas sya sa portrait and Landscape(14.x).
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: enshong on March 23, 2012, 11:36:37 PM
http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/Camera-Sensor-Ratings (http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/Camera-Sensor-Ratings)

(http://new.tinygrab.com/b41ceb17914fc9e3ff1209ffad8df797f9a0b27928.png)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on March 24, 2012, 12:33:32 AM
Forgive me guys but I don't know what that means to my daily photo life. I can't grasp what DXO results really are. I believe there are things that matters more like firmware, processor, etc etc etc. since each camera makers have there own trade secrets. However, I believe Nikon is a master of implementation and I hope this will translate to a good camera(d800). I still doubt its talent in dark places though.I think the Canon 5dMk3 is more of a well rounded camera, IMHO. I am a Nikon user so I am not a troll. ;D ;D ;D
Studio test at ISO 6400

[url]http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/nikon-d800/FULLRES/D800INBI06400.HTM[/url] ([url]http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/nikon-d800/FULLRES/D800INBI06400.HTM[/url])

Parang ok na sakin ang iso performance nya, meron parin detail sa hair eh. At ISO 12800 medyo close to unusable on large prints. Sana close lang ito sa 5d3 at baka mapashift ako kapag hindi :)
 

Nakita kita at pasilip silip ka sa Canon 5d3.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Mitchoi on March 24, 2012, 12:43:29 AM
Pero dun sa DXOmark d ba hinde pa nila narereview yung 5DM3?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 24, 2012, 12:52:35 AM
The Nikon D800: A full-frame sensor with no weak points

The two Nikon full-frame cameras, the D800 and the D4, occupy the top two places in the full-frame category. Simple and efficient. Still, be careful: as ever, in this review we are discussing only the D800’s RAW-image-based sensor results. We will follow up with DxOMark results for compatible lenses for this camera whose small pixel size promises to be very challenging.

Returning to the sensor, the D800’s Overall score is the best that has ever been achieved, and its use case scores are equally impressive:
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 24, 2012, 12:53:33 AM
Landscape: 14.4 EV (1st)

Here again, the D800 achieves the best score ever measured. The APS-C sensors of the Pentax K5 and the Nikon D7000 are surpassed by around 0.3 and 0.5 stop, respectively. No need to hesitate taking high-contrast photos with the Nikon D800!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on March 24, 2012, 12:54:15 AM
just came from henry's in G5. they're taking orders for D800 @ 130k, very cheap compared to the 5D3 of 156k. you need to pay Dp of 50% though... bad thing is they dont have the exact date when it will be available and they are all grey units :)
Pwede na tong price na to pero not so many can afford at that price range. The most affordable ones are the d3100/d5100 entry cameras.Tingnan natin kung sino ang unang bibigay. Pwera na lang yong nag preorder.
Sana meron nang magstart ng "User's impression" soon. Aabangan ko sana hindi ako yon. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 24, 2012, 12:58:40 AM
Sa mga ayaw magpa BI basahin niyo yung review sa dpreview,,,,, for sure di na kayo ma bi-BI
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on March 24, 2012, 01:01:56 AM
The Nikon D800: A full-frame sensor with no weak points

The two Nikon full-frame cameras, the D800 and the D4, occupy the top two places in the full-frame category. Simple and efficient. Still, be careful: as ever, in this review we are discussing only the D800’s RAW-image-based sensor results. We will follow up with DxOMark results for compatible lenses for this camera whose small pixel size promises to be very challenging.

Returning to the sensor, the D800’s Overall score is the best that has ever been achieved, and its use case scores are equally impressive:

Mukhang gusto mo na to ah!! Personally, basta excellent sya sa Iso 3200 and below. OK na  ako. Yong tipong ma PP mo pa sya with excellent results like the d7000. Gagamitin ko lang yong 36mp raw if I want to shoot something really nice. The rest doon na lang sa DX mode o kaya sa lowest JPEG quality.
Yong mga images na na downscale nila to match the 12mp of d700 ay mas maganda pa sa d700 high iso output. Pero, how do you do that?Pwede ba yan sa PS or LR ..sorry may pag ka OT...hiling lang. ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on March 24, 2012, 01:05:34 AM
Sa mga ayaw magpa BI basahin niyo yung review sa dpreview,,,,, for sure di na kayo ma bi-BI
;D ;D ;D Are you psyching out yourself or you are playing the devils advocate.. ;D :D ::) ::)....pag di ka maBI nito OK lang meron pang isa sa kabila!!! Wala kang ligtas!! ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: enshong on March 24, 2012, 01:09:51 AM
Mukhang gusto mo na to ah!! Personally, basta excellent sya sa Iso 3200 and below. OK na  ako. Yong tipong ma PP mo pa sya with excellent results like the d7000. Gagamitin ko lang yong 36mp raw if I want to shoot something really nice. The rest doon na lang sa DX mode o kaya sa lowest JPEG quality.
Yong mga images na na downscale nila to match the 12mp of d700 ay mas maganda pa sa d700 high iso output. Pero, how do you do that?Pwede ba yan sa PS or LR ..sorry may pag ka OT...hiling lang. ;D ;D

You can export sa Lightroom in any megapixel size you want. :) And while editing, maybe you can magnify to 1:3 instead of 1:1 if you just want to see how it will look like at around 12mp. :D

Personally, interested ako dito to replace both my bodies kasi I'll be able to crop to DX so I can "zoom" closer instead of switching bodies. And if at least the same ISO performance lang sa D700 (downsampled or not) then that's already great. Problem na lang is....san makakakuha? Hehe.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on March 24, 2012, 01:15:51 AM
Forgive me guys but I don't know what that means to my daily photo life. I can't grasp what DXO results really are. I believe there are things that matters more like firmware, processor, etc etc etc. since each camera makers have there own trade secrets. However, I believe Nikon is a master of implementation and I hope this will translate to a good camera(d800). I still doubt its talent in dark places though.I think the Canon 5dMk3 is more of a well rounded camera, IMHO. I am a Nikon user so I am not a troll. ;D ;D ;DNakita kita at pasilip silip ka sa Canon 5d3.

Yes Doc medyo maganda kase result ng 5d3. I have a hunch that 5d3 is better in hi-iso levels.
I compared D800 vs 5dmkII at iso 6400 a while ago and I'm not convinced that image quality is too far between the two actually very close if I will only base my opinion from DPReview. So since 5d3 is 2 stops better than 5dmkII then I will wait who really is better (d800 vs 5d3).

DXO reviews is limited on image IQ IMO, seems like they dont consider camera AF performance, Video and FPS etc. Anyway it's not my business LOL.

P.S.:  I read somewhere that the d800 resolution will devour the noise when NR is applied.





 
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on March 24, 2012, 01:24:35 AM
You can export sa Lightroom in any megapixel size you want. :) And while editing, maybe you can magnify to 1:3 instead of 1:1 if you just want to see how it will look like at around 12mp. :D

Personally, interested ako dito to replace both my bodies kasi I'll be able to crop to DX so I can "zoom" closer instead of switching bodies. And if at least the same ISO performance lang sa D700 (downsampled or not) then that's already great. Problem na lang is....san makakakuha? Hehe.

If you plan to shoot events/weddings keep the d7k :)

Can't wait to buy this, ok na ko sa 130k that is just right at 43:1 exchange rate. Pero pano kung mas ok sa kabila? :D :D :D

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 24, 2012, 01:34:51 AM
@retina
    puwedeng ma downsample using CS5 and L3 madali lang naman. Basta ako test lang ako hanggang 190 shots pag di ako hiyang isasauli ko nalang for refund and hunt of D700 with battery grip,,, may naka reserve sa craigslist less than 3K actuations $1.8k ahehhehehehe,,, basta peeps,,,,, basahin ninyo yung sa dpreview ahehehehehehhee
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on March 24, 2012, 02:17:30 AM
@retina
    puwedeng ma downsample using CS5 and L3 madali lang naman. Basta ako test lang ako hanggang 190 shots pag di ako hiyang isasauli ko nalang for refund and hunt of D700 with battery grip,,, may naka reserve sa craigslist less than 3K actuations $1.8k ahehhehehehe,,, basta peeps,,,,, basahin ninyo yung sa dpreview ahehehehehehhee
Binasa ko nga kaso lang loaded ng mga genius yong forum kabilang na ang mga whiners ,fanboys, antis,trollers and the likes. Yong tipong di pa nakahawak eh sobrang expert na!!! ;D ::) Ha ha ha ha....Hintayin ko na lang yong 190 shots mo.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: ArpeggioRush on March 24, 2012, 07:55:44 AM
so paano kung lamang nga ng 1 stop sa iso performance ang 5d mark III? bebenta ba ng isang nikonian ang trinity 2.8 zooms and primes niya at mag-over the bakod? siguro maliban na lang kung walang magawa sa pera ang taong gagawa nito. hindi lang practical lalu na sa current state ng world economy natin.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on March 24, 2012, 08:20:50 AM
so paano kung lamang nga ng 1 stop sa iso performance ang 5d mark III? bebenta ba ng isang nikonian ang trinity 2.8 zooms and primes niya at mag-over the bakod? siguro maliban na lang kung walang magawa sa pera ang taong gagawa nito. hindi lang practical lalu na sa current state ng world economy natin.
Personally di ako magsishift for hi-iso alone. Di ako bibili ng d800 mas OK kung kukuha na lang ng d700. Kaso lang the 5dmk3 is the d700 that the Nikon users been dreaming for a long time. You can't blame shifters since ang tagal nila naghintay and they want a well rounded camera like the d700 and much much more.Pero hintayin na lang natin ang d800 actual reviews and users' feedback before drawing a conclusion. For me since I am a hobbyist with no special needs. I will enjoy the d800 for years to come. The rest who will leave Nikon camp, OK lang. These days of open information, fanboyism will be a thing of the past....at least here in Pipho.IMHO
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: bryanvcpalacio on March 24, 2012, 11:34:55 AM
https://picasaweb.google.com/104343264324531368264/NikonD800XCanon5DMKIII#

as expected, resolution wins it for the Naykon and ISO performance for the Kwanon... :) the D800 though seems to be impressive at 3200 :)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 24, 2012, 11:41:11 AM
Nasa kasulatan yan..... Man doesn't  live by ISO alone.... he has to learn to fish for IQ and Dynamic range and be adequate in his auto focus
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on March 24, 2012, 12:05:09 PM
Nasa kasulatan yan..... Man doesn't  live by ISO alone.... he has to learn to fish for IQ and Dynamic range and be adequate in his auto focus
A jedi you are... ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on March 24, 2012, 03:13:08 PM
[url]https://picasaweb.google.com/104343264324531368264/NikonD800XCanon5DMKIII#[/url] ([url]https://picasaweb.google.com/104343264324531368264/NikonD800XCanon5DMKIII#[/url])

as expected, resolution wins it for the Naykon and ISO performance for the Kwanon... :) the D800 though seems to be impressive at 3200 :)


I agree it's cleaner! I saw some real-life photos from dpreview and the focus is always spot on aside from color rendition. Color is last on my priority anyway. If I can shoot at hi-iso like 6400 and I can still see good detail from hair strands I solved but this is 25600! I'm happy for Canon but not happy with the price :)
(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6114/6997635761_b66dec084c_b.jpg)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: tripnienchong on March 24, 2012, 06:04:56 PM
Nasa kasulatan yan..... Man doesn't  live by ISO alone.... he has to learn to fish for IQ and Dynamic range and be adequate in his auto focus

Haha natawa ko dito ah. Amen!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: enshong on March 24, 2012, 06:39:38 PM
Ubos na stocks ng New Sankyo, HK.. HK$28,000 ang price niya.. Wew.. Mura na yung pre-order sa Henry's a.. Sure ba yun na di iincrease nila yung price? Sa UK nag-increase din ng price e..
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junji on March 24, 2012, 07:17:01 PM
psssst! wag maingay baka mabasa ni henry's, ikaw rin baka tumaas. he he.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: bryanvcpalacio on March 24, 2012, 09:02:15 PM
Ubos na stocks ng New Sankyo, HK.. HK$28,000 ang price niya.. Wew.. Mura na yung pre-order sa Henry's a.. Sure ba yun na di iincrease nila yung price? Sa UK nag-increase din ng price e..

sabi ng sales lady yun na daw ang magiging price nya. apparently it came from around 140k and binaba nila
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: enshong on March 24, 2012, 09:18:05 PM
sabi ng sales lady yun na daw ang magiging price nya. apparently it came from around 140k and binaba nila

Hmm.. Sana nga yun talaga. Hehe. Ang nakakatakot kasi is you need a 50% downpayment then baka pagdating ng unit, sasabihin nilang mas mataas pala ang price. Pero I think illegal naman yan.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: ArpeggioRush on March 25, 2012, 06:32:47 AM
Hmm.. Sana nga yun talaga. Hehe. Ang nakakatakot kasi is you need a 50% downpayment then baka pagdating ng unit, sasabihin nilang mas mataas pala ang price. Pero I think illegal naman yan.

refundable naman po sir ang deposit in case na tumaas or magbago isip mo. :) better than no assurance of getting a reservation.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: ArpeggioRush on March 25, 2012, 06:37:03 AM
Personally di ako magsishift for hi-iso alone. Di ako bibili ng d800 mas OK kung kukuha na lang ng d700. Kaso lang the 5dmk3 is the d700 that the Nikon users been dreaming for a long time. You can't blame shifters since ang tagal nila naghintay and they want a well rounded camera like the d700 and much much more.Pero hintayin na lang natin ang d800 actual reviews and users' feedback before drawing a conclusion. For me since I am a hobbyist with no special needs. I will enjoy the d800 for years to come. The rest who will leave Nikon camp, OK lang. These days of open information, fanboyism will be a thing of the past....at least here in Pipho.IMHO

true sir and let's hope na lang we can get our hands on it a.s.a.p. excited na din naman ako makasubok sa d800. :) mukhang totoo nga yung sinabi ng nat geo d800 tester. phenomenal image quality nga daw eh noong makita sa final print.  :)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on March 25, 2012, 11:02:02 AM
true sir and let's hope na lang we can get our hands on it a.s.a.p. excited na din naman ako makasubok sa d800. :) mukhang totoo nga yung sinabi ng nat geo d800 tester. phenomenal image quality nga daw eh noong makita sa final print.  :)


Check out these samples over at fredmiranda.  It makes me want to get the D800 instead and buy some lenses instead.

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1097553 (http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1097553)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 25, 2012, 11:07:31 AM
Heto ang tanong?
Since marami na rin ang naghahanap/nagtatanong kung meron bang sRAW and mRAW ang D800 which "correct me if I am wrong"  eh WALA, puwede bang ma FIX/modify ito by a FIRMWARE update? Kasi kung puwede possibly kaya na mag labas ng ganitong update ang NIKON?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on March 25, 2012, 11:11:31 AM
Heto ang tanong?
Since marami na rin ang naghahanap/nagtatanong kung meron bang sRAW and mRAW ang D800 which "correct me if I am wrong"  eh WALA, puwede bang ma FIX/modify ito by a FIRMWARE update? Kasi kung puwede possibly kaya na mag labas ng ganitong update ang NIKON?


Sinagot an ito ng Nikon rep from France. Sa Jpg lang. It is not similar to Canon. So the answer is No.

Some high resolution stuff of a cherry blossom.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mandrakephotography/6862479654/#sizes/l/in/photostream/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mandrakephotography/6862479654/#sizes/l/in/photostream/)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 25, 2012, 11:36:41 AM
@gq
     na discuss ba doon if that can be modified using firmware update? Ang pagkakaroon ba ng sRaw or mRAW option is hardware or firmware based? Na-isip ko lang kasi to in relation to the chdk hack for canon P&S. Yung mga low end na P&S nagkakaroon ng mga options na makikita lang sa mga highend point and shoot nila.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 25, 2012, 11:52:09 AM
@gq
    from the link you posted galing sa miranda website, I don't know why but I was just impressed by these two shots ( Breath of Life), wink wink.

(http://www.ddpphotography.com/img/s8/v9/p39344541-5.jpg)

(http://www.ddpphotography.com/img/s3/v42/p500362997-5.jpg)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on March 25, 2012, 11:58:08 AM
Yes Jun I agree especially the moss shot. You can almost (to some degree) use any sharp lens and just crop it for macro work.  :o
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on March 25, 2012, 11:59:05 AM
@gq
     na discuss ba doon if that can be modified using firmware update? Ang pagkakaroon ba ng sRaw or mRAW option is hardware or firmware based? Na-isip ko lang kasi to in relation to the chdk hack for canon P&S. Yung mga low end na P&S nagkakaroon ng mga options na makikita lang sa mga highend point and shoot nila.

Maybe in the future. It should not be difficult for the Engineers to figure out.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 25, 2012, 12:10:23 PM
Hindi ata puwede sa macro shots ang D800 using macro lens,,,,,, mga mitochondria and cytoplasm nalang ang makikita mo ahehehehehe
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: enshong on March 25, 2012, 12:13:40 PM
@gq
     na discuss ba doon if that can be modified using firmware update? Ang pagkakaroon ba ng sRaw or mRAW option is hardware or firmware based? Na-isip ko lang kasi to in relation to the chdk hack for canon P&S. Yung mga low end na P&S nagkakaroon ng mga options na makikita lang sa mga highend point and shoot nila.

Ano ba pinagkaiba ng Canon sRAW/mRAW sa compressed, lossless compressed at uncompressed raw ng Nikon? Pwede pang pumili kung 12-bit or 14-bit din if you want to save space.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: bryanvcpalacio on March 25, 2012, 02:43:52 PM
Check out these samples over at fredmiranda.  It makes me want to get the D800 instead and buy some lenses instead.

[url]http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1097553[/url] ([url]http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1097553[/url])


and they say that its bad at 6400! almost noise free even at the ISO 5200 sample.  and the dog shot is almost not a 100% crop with the detail also :o
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on March 25, 2012, 04:29:28 PM
Eto hinahanap ko, good detail of hair strands at ISO 6400 nasa d800 pala!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: edy_tanguilig on March 25, 2012, 05:27:19 PM
i was like..holy shots!!  :o :o :o
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: yourdone on March 25, 2012, 07:54:14 PM
Very impressive resolution especially with web downsized samples!
Pwedeng pangmatagalan tong D800, with 36mp and its' hiISO abilities!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on March 25, 2012, 08:24:11 PM
Very impressive resolution especially with web downsized samples!
Pwedeng pangmatagalan tong D800, with 36mp and its' hiISO abilities!

That's what I have been thinking lately. Decisions decisions...
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 25, 2012, 09:50:27 PM
@gq
    may panahon pa ,,,,, dahil ang anak ng teteng nga BnH puro backordered pa aheheheehhe.

   Ok devils advocate ako ulit for the D800,,,,, please read dpreview review of D800 ahehehhehehe
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on March 25, 2012, 10:10:54 PM
@gq
    may panahon pa ,,,,, dahil ang anak ng teteng nga BnH puro backordered pa aheheheehhe.

   Ok devils advocate ako ulit for the D800,,,,, please read dpreview review of D800 ahehehhehehe
Jun the 'O' ...Here is a word of wisdom ( revised from you earlier post)..."Go away, man shall no live by hi-iso alone but by dynamic range that comes out from the image."....parang ganon!!! ;D ;) ::)

Amazing detail yong images na samples above.Parang baligtad na yata, mas luminaw ng na cropped. Siguro natatawa na sa atin yong mga Medium format shooters. Sabi nila , now you know what you've been missing....Eh ang mahal naman kasi ng MF cams.

BTW, is it true that Nikon is raising the prices of the d4 and d800?If Nikon adjusts the price higher, I won't buy the d800 no matter if it is the best camera in the universe. Mag mFT na lang ako pag ganon!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carlopatena on March 25, 2012, 10:53:29 PM
Digital Rev review.
http://youtu.be/MT6ilCd7CS4 (http://youtu.be/MT6ilCd7CS4)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: ArpeggioRush on March 25, 2012, 11:47:36 PM
Digital Rev review.
[url]http://youtu.be/MT6ilCd7CS4[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/MT6ilCd7CS4[/url])


thanks for sharing this  :) now I'm really convinced about d800's ability to preserve details at high iso's. what's not to like about this camera? siguro yung availability and price increase?  ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: nhestor on March 26, 2012, 12:01:09 AM
Kai doesnt have a good hand holding technique, but still managed to capture some decent photos. :)

The photos from the fremiranda forum are stunning!

Hoping to get this awesome cam before yearend without selling my d700. :p
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 26, 2012, 12:49:02 AM
@gq
     Regarding price increase, kahit ba naka pre- order tayo sa  dating price will we get affected sa price increase kung tumaas ang price sa market  at di pa na deliver ang unit nati.

       Wag kayong magsasalita kung kukunan kayo ng pic with  a D800,,,,, baka makita ang talsik laway niyo  pag na-izoom aheheheheh. That dog shot was simply amazing
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on March 26, 2012, 05:23:50 AM
@gq
     Regarding price increase, kahit ba naka pre- order tayo sa  dating price will we get affected sa price increase kung tumaas ang price sa market  at di pa na deliver ang unit nati.

       Wag kayong magsasalita kung kukunan kayo ng pic with  a D800,,,,, baka makita ang talsik laway niyo  pag na-izoom aheheheheh. That dog shot was simply amazing

I wouldn't worry about it. The US has a standard pricing for Nikon products.The prices from Digital Rev are based on gray market. Nikon cannot control the prices from other countries. The prices in Japan are similarly higher just like the prices in Europe and Australia.

At this point, I am keeping my option to get the D800E instead of the D4.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 26, 2012, 02:36:46 PM
did you cancel the D4 pre-order?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on March 26, 2012, 03:21:48 PM
Naginquire ako kanina sa Henry's about the d800. 50% down payment pero hindi pa fixed ang price kapag dumating yung item.
Wait na lang muna :(
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on March 26, 2012, 06:07:46 PM
did you cancel the D4 pre-order?


Nope. I'm still undecided. But I might stick with my original plan and go big with the D4. The reason is if I crop an image with the D800 at high ISO, up scaling the file will amplify the noise. This will not be an issue with the D4. That is just my hunch.

Here are some interesting tests from Lens Rental in resolution between D4, D800, D700, and Canon 5D3.

http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2012/03/d-resolution-tests (http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2012/03/d-resolution-tests)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on March 27, 2012, 03:20:00 AM
From a videographer's point of view:

http://www.eoshd.com/content/7620/3000-nikon-d800-thrashes-flagship-6000-nikon-d4-for-video (http://www.eoshd.com/content/7620/3000-nikon-d800-thrashes-flagship-6000-nikon-d4-for-video)

D800 rocks!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 27, 2012, 05:10:58 AM
BnH
"I did check your order and unfortunately the light at the end has been pushed off until May. This is the latest news from Nikon."

"I am very sorry but this is just beyond our control. This is latest news we have received from Nikon"
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: mykmarinas on March 27, 2012, 05:16:56 AM
New D800 samples from a post from fred miranda

D800, AFS 70-200mm/2.8 VR II, handheld, 200mm, f4

resized to 900x600

(http://www.pbase.com/andrease/image/142291440/original.jpg)

100% crop, the new normal

(http://www.pbase.com/andrease/image/142291441/original.jpg)

(pics by AndreasE from fredmiranda.com)

* The detail is amazing. I wonder paano pa kaya yung D800E?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: mykmarinas on March 27, 2012, 05:21:11 AM
Here's another sample:

(http://www.pbase.com/andrease/image/142263321/original.jpg)

Download: Full size D800 - 7360x4912 (20 MB !):

http://www.pbase.com/andrease/image/142263337/original.jpg (http://www.pbase.com/andrease/image/142263337/original.jpg)

(pics by AndreasE from fredmiranda.com)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: tripnienchong on March 27, 2012, 06:15:40 AM
New D800 samples from a post from fred miranda

D800, AFS 70-200mm/2.8 VR II, handheld, 200mm, f4

resized to 900x600


100% crop, the new normal

([url]http://www.pbase.com/andrease/image/142291441/original.jpg[/url])

(pics by AndreasE from fredmiranda.com)

* The detail is amazing. I wonder paano pa kaya yung D800E?


Panalo yung details!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on March 27, 2012, 06:38:20 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT6ilCd7CS4&list=UUuw8B6Uv0cMWtV5vbNpeH_A&index=1&feature=plcp# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT6ilCd7CS4&list=UUuw8B6Uv0cMWtV5vbNpeH_A&index=1&feature=plcp#)

 :o :o :o
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on March 27, 2012, 07:03:54 AM
Here's another sample:

([url]http://www.pbase.com/andrease/image/142263321/original.jpg[/url])

Download: Full size D800 - 7360x4912 (20 MB !):

[url]http://www.pbase.com/andrease/image/142263337/original.jpg[/url] ([url]http://www.pbase.com/andrease/image/142263337/original.jpg[/url])

(pics by AndreasE from fredmiranda.com)


Kaya mas malakas ang business sa plastic surgery dahil puro high resolution na ngayon. Kita pati mga wrinkles.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on March 27, 2012, 07:20:38 AM
Nakakainis yang d800 na yan ah!!!Gusto ko na mag mFT pero yong details nya ang nakaka enganyo. Parang gusto kung subukan. May mga cousins at co-breed na lalabas pa yan.Yong Sony FF at Pentax FF later this year. Kung naniniwala kayo sa tsismis!!! ;D ;D ;D Yan kasi ang mga partner ng Sony. Yong Sony sensor maker is an independent company from main Sony corporation kaya minsan kahit Canon p@s ay gumagamit ng Sony sensor.Mukhang magaling gumawa ng sensor ang Sony kasi OK din sa video. Don sa napost na link ni Carl mukhang the Sony sensor is better sa video. Yong Nikon sensor sa d4 mukhang di ganon ka ganda.
Patay si Glenn mahihirapan sya mag decide.Yong mga gusto mag 5dmk3 mukhang magdadalawang isip na naman.Anong gusto nyo resolution or hi-iso? Naguusap ba talaga ang Canon at Nikon? Personally mas gusto ko ang resolution as photographer does not live by hi-iso alone but by the resolution and dynamic range that come from thy image (mukhang nageevolve na yong verse ;D ;D ;D)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on March 27, 2012, 07:41:38 AM
mukhang magdadalawang isip na naman.Anong gusto nyo resolution or hi-iso? Naguusap ba talaga ang Canon at Nikon? Personally mas gusto ko ang resolution as photographer does not live by hi-iso alone but by the resolution and dynamic range that come from thy image (mukhang nageevolve na yong verse ;D ;D ;D)

Doc- I just sent a request to B H Phot to cancel my D4 and change it to D800E instead. We'll see how it will work out. I might just ask my brother to get one at Best Buy in California if they have them locally.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: mykmarinas on March 27, 2012, 07:51:34 AM
Here's a long exposure shot from another post from fred.miranda.com

D800 + 14-24 + tripod mounted.

ISO 100, f8 and 4s

(http://www.nikhilshahi.com/photos/i-v2ftCzs/2/XL/i-v2ftCzs-XL.jpg)

100% Crop

(http://www.nikhilshahi.com/photos/i-g3sK25H/1/X3/i-g3sK25H-O.jpg)

(all pictures are from http://www.nikhilshahi.com/galleries (http://www.nikhilshahi.com/galleries))

* as a hobbyist, im beginning to fall in love with landscape photography. and i can go to places and know more about our country's beautiful sceneries.

D800 would be a big plus for landscape photographers out there. They can print a huge canvass and see the details clear and crisp.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: peejay on March 27, 2012, 08:00:25 AM
Nakakainis yang d800 na yan ah!!!Gusto ko na mag mFT pero yong details nya ang nakaka enganyo. Parang gusto kung subukan. May mga cousins at co-breed na lalabas pa yan.Yong Sony FF at Pentax FF later this year. Kung naniniwala kayo sa tsismis!!! ;D ;D ;D Yan kasi ang mga partner ng Sony. Yong Sony sensor maker is an independent company from main Sony corporation kaya minsan kahit Canon p@s ay gumagamit ng Sony sensor.Mukhang magaling gumawa ng sensor ang Sony kasi OK din sa video. Don sa napost na link ni Carl mukhang the Sony sensor is better sa video. Yong Nikon sensor sa d4 mukhang di ganon ka ganda.
Patay si Glenn mahihirapan sya mag decide.Yong mga gusto mag 5dmk3 mukhang magdadalawang isip na naman.Anong gusto nyo resolution or hi-iso? Naguusap ba talaga ang Canon at Nikon? Personally mas gusto ko ang resolution as photographer does not live by hi-iso alone but by the resolution and dynamic range that come from thy image (mukhang nageevolve na yong verse ;D ;D ;D)

Buy both na sir!!! :p


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Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on March 27, 2012, 08:06:54 AM
di na ko magshishift promise!  :D
Looks like I will enjoy my G lenses more!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on March 27, 2012, 08:14:11 AM
Here's a long exposure shot from another post from fred.miranda.com

D800 + 14-24 + tripod mounted.

ISO 100, f8 and 4s

([url]http://www.nikhilshahi.com/photos/i-v2ftCzs/2/XL/i-v2ftCzs-XL.jpg[/url])

100% Crop

([url]http://www.nikhilshahi.com/photos/i-g3sK25H/1/X3/i-g3sK25H-O.jpg[/url])

(all pictures are from [url]http://www.nikhilshahi.com/galleries[/url] ([url]http://www.nikhilshahi.com/galleries[/url]))

* as a hobbyist, im beginning to fall in love with landscape photography. and i can go to places and know more about our country's beautiful sceneries.

D800 would be a big plus for landscape photographers out there. They can print a huge canvass and see the details clear and crisp.
Amazing Myk!!Thanks!!
Doc- I just sent a request to B H Phot to cancel my D4 and change it to D800E instead. We'll see how it will work out. I might just ask my brother to get one at Best Buy in California if they have them locally.
I don't want to confuse you more Glenn. However, I know that even with your d700,you don't use hi-iso that much. Besides, you don't shoot steel birds at night already. If you are still on board the carrier, I might object to your decision. Sadly, we can't give you any informed and educated advice because like you, we  don't have any clear picture of what the d4 and the d800 can do.
I must say that this is a risky move for you. I just hope the d800E will fill your needs. BTW, no d800E can be sighted anywhere even at Best Buy in Southern California. My nephews were hunting one for me so they can try it. I hope one will appear for you.As for me, I will put it on hold until I can get a better view
Buy both na sir!!! :p


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Hmmmm wala ka nang cam naglaho na yong d7k mo sa FS..try mo muna to!!Tapos benta mo.
di na ko magshishift promise!  :D
Looks like I will enjoy my G lenses more!
Pag titingin ka sa ibang pictures at pagnasanay ka sa d800 samples.Mukhang soft yong iba.Kakainis naman. Naguyo na naman tayo ng Nikon.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: a3cervo on March 27, 2012, 11:05:46 AM
Game changer ang D800. Nikon released something that photographers wasn't expecting but again they deliver! I was also thinking about shifting pero ngayon I will hold on muna to my D700 & lens till the fund for D800/E arrives  ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on March 27, 2012, 11:49:39 AM
Game changer ang D800. Nikon released something that photographers wasn't expecting but again they deliver! I was also thinking about shifting pero ngayon I will hold on muna to my D700 & lens till the fund for D800/E arrives  ;D ;D
My wife will not let me buy the d800. It will show a lot of imperfections including  on going exfoliation in your portrait. Kailangan pa i-blurred sa PP para mawala ang detail. ;D :D. Di na sya flattery sa mga babae.
Tama hang on there muna!!!Ako magaliw aliw lang muna ako don sa mFT crowd.Mabilis naman ang araw so no need to gas for now. Kahit may funds ka mahirap naman kumuha ng d800E. Kasi kung ultimate detail eh don sa sagaran na for landscape and macro shots. Patay this will force me to keep my Nikon system for awhile.This hobby is a crazy thing.Sabi ng Nikon hmmmm paalis kayo ha heto...the details and the DR....yan nasilo tayo...NIKON snared na naman tayo!!!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: a3cervo on March 27, 2012, 01:22:16 PM
My wife will not let me buy the d800. It will show a lot of imperfections including  on going exfoliation in your portrait. Kailangan pa i-blurred sa PP para mawala ang detail. ;D :D. Di na sya flattery sa mga babae.
Tama hang on there muna!!!Ako magaliw aliw lang muna ako don sa mFT crowd.Mabilis naman ang araw so no need to gas for now. Kahit may funds ka mahirap naman kumuha ng d800E. Kasi kung ultimate detail eh don sa sagaran na for landscape and macro shots. Patay this will force me to keep my Nikon system for awhile.This hobby is a crazy thing.Sabi ng Nikon hmmmm paalis kayo ha heto...the details and the DR....yan nasilo tayo...NIKON snared na naman tayo!!!


haha agree sir retina, kailangan nang matutunan ang beauty retouch done by the pros para di na gumamit ng blurring  ;) the positive side is with the DR of D800 no need to add "noise" to retain the skin texture!

Peeps, if ever may makita kayo please share links to sample shots of D800 paired with 135 F2 DC para makita ko how my other lens will perform  ::)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: peejay on March 27, 2012, 01:59:03 PM
My wife will not let me buy the d800. It will show a lot of imperfections including  on going exfoliation in your portrait. Kailangan pa i-blurred sa PP para mawala ang detail. ;D :D. Di na sya flattery sa mga babae.
Tama hang on there muna!!!Ako magaliw aliw lang muna ako don sa mFT crowd.Mabilis naman ang araw so no need to gas for now. Kahit may funds ka mahirap naman kumuha ng d800E. Kasi kung ultimate detail eh don sa sagaran na for landscape and macro shots. Patay this will force me to keep my Nikon system for awhile.This hobby is a crazy thing.Sabi ng Nikon hmmmm paalis kayo ha heto...the details and the DR....yan nasilo tayo...NIKON snared na naman tayo!!!

honestly, alam mo nagdadalawang isip din tuloy ako mag MFT haha dahil sa nakita kong details kanina nung pagcrop dun sa face nung babae.. sobrang detailed sya... siguro pag ganitong models na talaga, malayo icompare sa MFT. siguro if mga tipong D5000 to D90 or D7000 model mapapag isip ka pa, pero dito.. pero dito walang kapana panalo ang MFT.. hehe
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on March 27, 2012, 04:09:15 PM
honestly, alam mo nagdadalawang isip din tuloy ako mag MFT haha dahil sa nakita kong details kanina nung pagcrop dun sa face nung babae.. sobrang detailed sya... siguro pag ganitong models na talaga, malayo icompare sa MFT. siguro if mga tipong D5000 to D90 or D7000 model mapapag isip ka pa, pero dito.. pero dito walang kapana panalo ang MFT.. hehe
Pwede naman Peejay na dalawa. Yong d800 at Oly EM-5 partner. I will retain the 24-70 and 70-200. Tapos sa UWA  ay 9-18 Oly. May kasama lang ngang body  ;D ;D. Kunyari bumili ka lang ng bagong UWA lens.Tapos hwag ka na magGAS sa DSLR kasi tulad ko complete na yong lenses ko except na na disposed ko yong 11-16 tokina ko. Meron feature kasi yong mFT na di pa nakacatchup sa DSLR , yong AF tracking. Something that the blogger from the other thread that he said that it(mFT) is not yet there.I do like to take photos of animals like dogs and others kaya I need the tracking badly.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on March 27, 2012, 04:26:31 PM
Official video of the d800

http://vimeo.com/34805730 (http://vimeo.com/34805730)


http://vimeo.com/groups/shortfilms/videos/39117712 (http://vimeo.com/groups/shortfilms/videos/39117712)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on March 27, 2012, 04:39:56 PM
Video and Stills all shot by d800

http://vimeo.com/38009435 (http://vimeo.com/38009435)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on March 27, 2012, 05:03:41 PM
http://vimeo.com/38912704 (http://vimeo.com/38912704)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on March 27, 2012, 09:47:38 PM
Macro/Bird photography using D800!

http://nikonrumors.com/2012/03/27/full-size-nikon-d800-sample-images.aspx/ (http://nikonrumors.com/2012/03/27/full-size-nikon-d800-sample-images.aspx/)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Cito on March 27, 2012, 09:49:03 PM
The Nikon D800 is the new king of DxOMark with a score of 95
http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/News/DxOMark-news/The-Nikon-D800-is-the-new-king-of-DxOMark-with-a-score-of-95 (http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/News/DxOMark-news/The-Nikon-D800-is-the-new-king-of-DxOMark-with-a-score-of-95)
Exciting :D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 27, 2012, 09:55:17 PM
Got in touch with BnH yesterday and I was informed that they were done with the first batch of delivery and I wasn't included in the first batch of delivery ng D800 nila. They told me na I might be included in the second batch, unfortunately Nikon advised them that delivery of their stocks is moved to May...... Bummer. Followed on my pre-order again and its the same reply. Bummmer talaga.

     Sa awa ng Diyos madalas ako sa POTN and came accross a thread na may nagbigay ng dealer na may stocks. Immidiately I left a message sa answering machine even nasa work pa ako and nag return call naman. I was able to get the last unit.... that was close.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: darkside85 on March 27, 2012, 10:00:36 PM
met with a friend today and he said that two from his group cancelled their pre-orders from Amazon and bought D800 from BestBuy... ;)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 27, 2012, 10:34:57 PM
D800? Check this link,,,,http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1650609583&sk=wall

My tagapagligtas!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on March 27, 2012, 10:37:54 PM
D800? Check this link,,,,http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1650609583&sk=wall

My tagapagligtas!


Di ko gets sir :) Ano meron kay Pearl?

Sir post some shots of your d800 para mainggit kami  :D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 27, 2012, 10:42:37 PM
@Carl check her wall!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on March 27, 2012, 10:59:59 PM
Jun saan yong unboxing mo?BI mo kami o kaya start a review....pipho style. I will give the honor of the bragging rights to you  ;D ;D ;D para mastart na natin yong measurebating activity (Q@A). ang haba na ng thread nato and we were just buying time here (Noynoying  ;D ;D).
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 27, 2012, 11:21:56 PM
Wala pa kuya, kanina ko lang na close. Ang nakakatawa is it was the las unit. I got the tip from POTN, I read a post ng isang member asking a certain Dan na i PM sa kanya yung name ng dealer. I traced back sa thread na yun kung sino yung Dan na binanggit niya and pm'd the guy. Reply naman agad. I was at work that time and at 4am in the morning called her office left a message and nag return call naman agad ng 8:30am. Check the post between dgrphoto, ching and tipidsale http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1135369&page=31 (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1135369&page=31)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on March 27, 2012, 11:32:58 PM
Wala pa kuya, kanina ko lang na close. Ang nakakatawa is it was the las unit. I got the tip from POTN, I read a post ng isang member asking a certain Dan na i PM sa kanya yung name ng dealer. I traced back sa thread na yun kung sino yung Dan na binanggit niya and pm'd the guy. Reply naman agad. I was at work that time and at 4am in the morning called her office left a message and nag return call naman agad ng 8:30am. Check the post between dgrphoto, ching and tipidsale [url]http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1135369&page=31[/url] ([url]http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1135369&page=31[/url])

Ay sayang, excited na sana ako. Anyway, kelan mo makukuha? ::)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on March 27, 2012, 11:34:05 PM
@Carl check her wall!

Ah ok nagbebenta pala sya :) Kaso hirap kase magship dito sa atin eh :(
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: bryanvcpalacio on March 27, 2012, 11:37:58 PM
Here's a long exposure shot from another post from fred.miranda.com

D800 + 14-24 + tripod mounted.

ISO 100, f8 and 4s

([url]http://www.nikhilshahi.com/photos/i-v2ftCzs/2/XL/i-v2ftCzs-XL.jpg[/url])

100% Crop

([url]http://www.nikhilshahi.com/photos/i-g3sK25H/1/X3/i-g3sK25H-O.jpg[/url])

(all pictures are from [url]http://www.nikhilshahi.com/galleries[/url] ([url]http://www.nikhilshahi.com/galleries[/url]))

* as a hobbyist, im beginning to fall in love with landscape photography. and i can go to places and know more about our country's beautiful sceneries.

D800 would be a big plus for landscape photographers out there. They can print a huge canvass and see the details clear and crisp.


wow where's the noise? :o over the years Nikon is slowly but surely taking away Canon's domination. first with the D3 in sports and now landscapes and portraits with the D800
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 27, 2012, 11:56:22 PM
@retina
    I shiship raw mamayang hapon mga 2 to 3 days raw. The Irony of this all is sa Canon forum pa ako nakahanap nang mapagbibilhan ng NIKON d800,,, thanks CANON.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: bryanvcpalacio on March 28, 2012, 12:01:00 AM
@retina
    I shiship raw mamayang hapon mga 2 to 3 days raw. The Irony of this all is sa Canon forum pa ako nakahanap nang mapagbibilhan ng NIKON d800,,, thanks CANON.

haha kaya pala "delighting you always"... Congrats sir!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 28, 2012, 12:01:36 AM
May napulot lang ako sa Rumours.

(http://nikonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Nikon-D800-sample-image.jpg)


The amazing part is the detail,,, not on the duck,,,, the reflection on the duck's eyes.

(http://nikonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Nikon-D800-sample-image-crop.jpg)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on March 28, 2012, 09:13:20 AM
http://nikonrumors.com/2012/03/27/nikon-d800-issues.aspx/ (http://nikonrumors.com/2012/03/27/nikon-d800-issues.aspx/)

 :o :o :o
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on March 28, 2012, 09:33:35 AM
After hype issues naman.. ;) That is good so Nikon will go back to earth and change their mind on raising the prices.
Minor problems lang yan pero OK na rin para matauhan sila. Hirap talaga magdevelope ng isang camera and to think nasa kamay na ng mga testers yan a year ago.Pag may mga 2 firmware updates na baka pwede ng bumili.Tapos baka baba pa presyo kasi dito sa Pilipinas di naman ako naniniwala na maraming maka afford nyan tulad ng d7K. Sa first wave marami siguro tulad ng mga seriosong mga hobbyist dyan. Pero after that pupugakpugak na yan. The best time to buy it is after 1 year siguro.Yong detail nya amazing pero di mo naman maappreciate kong di ka magzoom ng 100 percent.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Alfalfameister on March 28, 2012, 10:19:19 AM
After hype issues naman.. ;) That is good so Nikon will go back to earth and change their mind on raising the prices.


Question... who is raising the price? The SRP of $3,000 (plus $300 for the E version) is relatively reasonable (vis-a-vis price of D700 when it was brand new). Is Nikon the one raising the price, or the dealers/distributors?

I think at $3,000 (eh, di, dapat around P130k lang -- and that is at LIST PRICE) is okay. Kaya, yung mga nagbebenta ng P150k or P160k, tubong lugaw na; price gouging na nga. BUT, if the market is willing to pay for it, if I were a seller, I'd probably also jack up the price (who wouldn't? It's not naman illegal, unlike raising gas prices or price of rice or something).
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on March 28, 2012, 10:38:36 AM
Question... who is raising the price? The SRP of $3,000 (plus $300 for the E version) is relatively reasonable (vis-a-vis price of D700 when it was brand new). Is Nikon the one raising the price, or the dealers/distributors?

I think at $3,000 (eh, di, dapat around P130k lang -- and that is at LIST PRICE) is okay. Kaya, yung mga nagbebenta ng P150k or P160k, tubong lugaw na; price gouging na nga. BUT, if the market is willing to pay for it, if I were a seller, I'd probably also jack up the price (who wouldn't? It's not naman illegal, unlike raising gas prices or price of rice or something).
May point ka don, may MSRP naman. Some countries like UK and some EU contries were Nikon is directly involved in marketing and pricing,tinataasan/binababaan nila yong prices over the MSRP.Last time Nikon UK mismo nagannounce ng price increase dahil nagkamali daw yong computer.Marami umalma don at nagcancel ng preorder nila, di nila alam na yong preorder pricing ay inohonor ng UK Nikon. Sa Pilipinas wala naman silang involvement dito so free for all pricing yan. Depende kung gaano ka lakas ang demand. Di naman ako magexpect na bababa yan sa less than 130K pero bababa sana yong street price. Yong pricing sa Hidalgo mga 140K yata pero sana ganon na lang kataas. Di pa sigurado yon. Personally kung tingin ko mataas, walang problema kasi di naman ako pro. Di na lang muna ako bibili.I will buy with my allotted budget. My pocket speaks for me. Kahit gaano ka lakas ang GAS mo di ka pa rin bibigay pag beyond your budget.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on March 28, 2012, 10:42:18 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IV6PEQWKyw&feature=related# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IV6PEQWKyw&feature=related#)

 :o :o :o
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on March 28, 2012, 12:47:01 PM
After hype issues naman.. ;) That is good so Nikon will go back to earth and change their mind on raising the prices.
Minor problems lang yan pero OK na rin para matauhan sila. Hirap talaga magdevelope ng isang camera and to think nasa kamay na ng mga testers yan a year ago.Pag may mga 2 firmware updates na baka pwede ng bumili.Tapos baka baba pa presyo kasi dito sa Pilipinas di naman ako naniniwala na maraming maka afford nyan tulad ng d7K. Sa first wave marami siguro tulad ng mga seriosong mga hobbyist dyan. Pero after that pupugakpugak na yan. The best time to buy it is after 1 year siguro.Yong detail nya amazing pero di mo naman maappreciate kong di ka magzoom ng 100 percent.

I realized yesterday from the Flickr D800 club, it's not so big deal when looking at photos with 800x600 dimension. Enjoy ako kapag full resolution on the d800. Ano bang site ang pede magstore ng malalaking jpg kahit max. allowed is 100 images lang?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on March 29, 2012, 06:01:55 PM
@retina
    I shiship raw mamayang hapon mga 2 to 3 days raw. The Irony of this all is sa Canon forum pa ako nakahanap nang mapagbibilhan ng NIKON d800,,, thanks CANON.

Congrats Jun.

I already cancelled my D4 and have pre-ordered the D800E version. Baka sa June -July pa siguro darating yon.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: LawrenceL on March 29, 2012, 06:12:20 PM
may available na ba sa manila maski Grey unit?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: yourdone on March 29, 2012, 06:46:15 PM
Meron stock sa Wingshing sa Garden st. tsaka sa Fortress sa Broadway, Nikon HK units sunod ren sa SRP

D800 body - 26800HKS
D4 body - 52800HKS

Sabi nugn tindero sa Fortress baka daw gawing 32800HKS around next month ang SRP, first few days overnight lang daw ang stocks pero every week may dumadatign naman daw
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 29, 2012, 09:47:30 PM
@gq
     Thanks, I ordered the unit sa isang seller sa Illinois, I got the tip from dgrphoto from POTN. May mga paparating pa daw siya na unit. Cancelled my order sa BnH,,,,, mas may chance pa atang maka kuha ng unit sa mga pitchy pitchy na camera stores dahil may stock. In fact yung napagkunan ko had to post sa facebook and twitter para lang mabenta/maubos yung stocks nila na D800,,,, by the way yung seller is PCnation. http://www.pcnation.com/web/contact.asp (http://www.pcnation.com/web/contact.asp) ,,,, look for Pearl.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on March 30, 2012, 01:06:50 AM
Meron stock sa Wingshing sa Garden st. tsaka sa Fortress sa Broadway, Nikon HK units sunod ren sa SRP

D800 body - 26800HKS
D4 body - 52800HKS

Sabi nugn tindero sa Fortress baka daw gawing 32800HKS around next month ang SRP, first few days overnight lang daw ang stocks pero every week may dumadatign naman daw


Mahal naman sobra ng 32,800 = 182k!  >:(

Mukhang di ako makakabili kapag ganyan ang price :(

Eto read muna kyo ng blog: http://www.creativephotography.gg/lihou/ (http://www.creativephotography.gg/lihou/)



Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 30, 2012, 01:16:58 AM
How come wala pa akong na come across na blog or article na pumupuri sa face detection metering against backlit subjects?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on March 30, 2012, 01:39:11 AM
How come wala pa akong na come across na blog or article na pumupuri sa face detection metering against backlit subjects?


Eto meron: http://www.imageandlight.net/blog (http://www.imageandlight.net/blog)
Face detect kahit nakasideview yung subject.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on March 30, 2012, 07:47:22 AM
@gq
     Thanks, I ordered the unit sa isang seller sa Illinois, I got the tip from dgrphoto from POTN. May mga paparating pa daw siya na unit. Cancelled my order sa BnH,,,,, mas may chance pa atang maka kuha ng unit sa mga pitchy pitchy na camera stores dahil may stock. In fact yung napagkunan ko had to post sa facebook and twitter para lang mabenta/maubos yung stocks nila na D800,,,, by the way yung seller is PCnation. [url]http://www.pcnation.com/web/contact.asp[/url] ([url]http://www.pcnation.com/web/contact.asp[/url]) ,,,, look for Pearl.


Thanks for the info Jun.

I pre-ordered the D800E with JR.com. l We'll see how this one goes since not everybody will be ordering the E version. I'll check with the pcnation after mid April once the official release occurs.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: ArpeggioRush on March 30, 2012, 08:05:29 AM
According to NR. may stocks na d800 sa Germany and other parts of Europe. Mukhang 1st week of April darating d800 sa Henry's. Sana nga magkatotoo para mareview na din ng mga gurus dito sa Pipho :)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on March 30, 2012, 09:01:31 AM
According to NR. may stocks na d800 sa Germany and other parts of Europe. Mukhang 1st week of April darating d800 sa Henry's. Sana nga magkatotoo para mareview na din ng mga gurus dito sa Pipho :)

Sana totoo yan bro, para kung sobra lampas sa $3000 di na muna ko mangangarap at ilang araw na akong puyat kakabas ng reviews/blogs :)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: alvinthx2 on March 30, 2012, 10:12:56 AM
Got in touch with BnH yesterday and I was informed that they were done with the first batch of delivery and I wasn't included in the first batch of delivery ng D800 nila. They told me na I might be included in the second batch, unfortunately Nikon advised them that delivery of their stocks is moved to May...... Bummer. Followed on my pre-order again and its the same reply. Bummmer talaga.

     Sa awa ng Diyos madalas ako sa POTN and came accross a thread na may nagbigay ng dealer na may stocks. Immidiately I left a message sa answering machine even nasa work pa ako and nag return call naman. I was able to get the last unit.... that was close.

Hi,

May I know kailan ka umorder sa B&H?

Alvin
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: ArpeggioRush on March 30, 2012, 10:16:23 AM
Sana totoo yan bro, para kung sobra lampas sa $3000 di na muna ko mangangarap at ilang araw na akong puyat kakabas ng reviews/blogs :)

sana nga sir  ;D natural lang naman may mga imperfections ang bagong technology at so far very positive ang feedback galing sa mga users. kung may $3,000 ako. sold na ako agad sa d800.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 30, 2012, 12:58:29 PM
@gq
   Yes try PCnation , look for pearl., ang galing ng service from ordering, to up to the minute na out ng warehouse nila nag email pa.

@alvin
    I ordered sa BnH as soon as they were open na for pre-order on that day of announcement.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: ArpeggioRush on March 30, 2012, 02:44:06 PM
@gq
   Yes try PCnation , look for pearl., ang galing ng service from ordering, to up to the minute na out ng warehouse nila nag email pa.

@alvin
    I ordered sa BnH as soon as they were open na for pre-order on that day of announcement.

magkano inabot sir sa bill mo? including tax. ty
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 30, 2012, 03:34:25 PM
Sa BnH umabot ng $3.2k kasi may tax,,,,,,sa PCnation,,,,, yung US price no tax aheheheheheh naka mura ng mga 200
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: ArpeggioRush on March 30, 2012, 04:27:34 PM
kasama na ba shipping at tax dito sa atin sir?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: battousai21 on March 30, 2012, 07:18:44 PM
any news kung kelan to maging available sa henry's?  Sa mga nag pre-order, kelan daw dating ng d800 nyu?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: ArpeggioRush on March 30, 2012, 08:39:01 PM
any news kung kelan to maging available sa henry's?  Sa mga nag pre-order, kelan daw dating ng d800 nyu?

ang sabi ng Henry's sa facebook eh 1st week of April daw para sa mga pre-order sa kanila.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on March 30, 2012, 09:30:22 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jKspoynL0o&feature=g-u-u&context=G2d1c817FUAAAAAAAAAA# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jKspoynL0o&feature=g-u-u&context=G2d1c817FUAAAAAAAAAA#)

 :o :o :o
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: mykmarinas on March 30, 2012, 11:10:44 PM
Here's a quick tutorial on how to handle moire in Lightroom.

http://mansurovs.com/how-to-reduce-moire-in-lightroom-4 (http://mansurovs.com/how-to-reduce-moire-in-lightroom-4)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: ArpeggioRush on March 30, 2012, 11:40:48 PM
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jKspoynL0o&feature=g-u-u&context=G2d1c817FUAAAAAAAAAA#[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jKspoynL0o&feature=g-u-u&context=G2d1c817FUAAAAAAAAAA#[/url])

 :o :o :o


Both camreas are great. Period!  ;D Kung N or L  ang lente. doon na lang naka-base.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on March 30, 2012, 11:46:38 PM
I have made up my mind, the D800E will be my landscape camera/portrait camera  :o :o :o
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 31, 2012, 12:54:11 AM
The Eagle has landed!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on March 31, 2012, 01:07:37 AM
The Eagle has landed!
Hindi mo na maibabalik yan!!I bet!!Pag walang picture walang eagle!! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 31, 2012, 01:28:23 AM
Di ko pa na open kahit na ang shipping package,,,, work pa in a few hours sleep mode muna and,,, si commander awake mode aheeheheh.I'll try to take long exposure city shots bukas, pair with the Sigma 65mm and face detection against backlit objects.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on March 31, 2012, 01:30:19 AM
Di ko pa na open kahit na ang shipping package,,,, work pa in a few hours sleep mode muna and,,, si commander awake mode aheeheheh.I'll try to take long exposure city shots bukas, pair with the Sigma 65mm and face detection against backlit objects.

Congrats Jun!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: LawrenceL on March 31, 2012, 05:12:12 AM
Di ko pa na open kahit na ang shipping package,,,, work pa in a few hours sleep mode muna and,,, si commander awake mode aheeheheh.I'll try to take long exposure city shots bukas, pair with the Sigma 65mm and face detection against backlit objects.

Congrats sir, Im looking forward to see your back lit subject shots. Will be deciding next week if I will get one.  :)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: mykmarinas on March 31, 2012, 08:38:47 AM
post some shots na sir!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junji on March 31, 2012, 10:45:27 AM
yun oh!. congrats in your purchase jun. post na ng user impression para naman mainggit na kami he he.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 31, 2012, 11:33:36 AM
Nagpapaligo pa ng pasyente hehehhe. Pag uwi ko na
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on March 31, 2012, 01:14:13 PM
Habang hinihintay nyo si Jun at kayod yan ng kayod para mabayaran ang d800, basahin nyo muna tong review ng d800:

http://mansurovs.com/nikon-d800-review#more-24813 (http://mansurovs.com/nikon-d800-review#more-24813)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junji on March 31, 2012, 01:58:22 PM
Habang hinihintay nyo si Jun at kayod yan ng kayod para mabayaran ang d800, basahin nyo muna tong review ng d800:

[url]http://mansurovs.com/nikon-d800-review#more-24813[/url] ([url]http://mansurovs.com/nikon-d800-review#more-24813[/url])



Wow, almost perfect na ang rating nila.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: peejay on March 31, 2012, 02:03:11 PM
May nilabas na unit yung columbia kahapon ata... Si direk paul ticzon ginagamit na nya ngayon yung d800 nya :)


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Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on March 31, 2012, 02:44:06 PM
Wow, almost perfect na ang rating nila.
At Nikon user's point of view yan. Pero looks like na reliable naman yong mga test nya.Sa tingin ko yong d800 image files are PP friendly.The best is to shoot raw and PP it. Matrabaho lang.Di ako mahilig magshoot ng raw.Mahal naman ng Photoshop. Baka bibili na talaga ako ng NX2 pero pag d800E may kasama naman pala.
Now, I am thinking if I shoot portrait with the d800 then I should avoid cropping the image. The d800 are seeing things and detailing what human eyes are not able to or not supposed to.The sizes of the skin pores are just perfect at its present state relative to human perception.If you magnify the skin you will notice the residuals of biological activities.I see a lot of d800 portraits posted and showing the details of the faces including wrinkles,pores, sebum,hairs,scars,etc.If that is my face, I don't like it printed or posted.We always want to hide our imperfection with makeup,powder to neutralized the shiny sebum. When we get older we undergo face lifting,trimming of eyebags,etc,etc. During film days the developer uses diffusion filter or even airbrushes to smooth out our faces.etc. We always wanted to look or have that baby skin complexion forever.This is something that I have in my mind now pero madali lang naman yan i-PP,diba? How ironic.I want to have the sharpest image that I can have and only to soften it again esp if it's my wife's portrait. Otherwise goodbye d900 when it comes out. ;)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junji on March 31, 2012, 04:26:14 PM
Hindi rin naman pala nakakatakot gamiting ang D800 with 36mp based from the samples specially from the video posted above where Kai is comparing it to 5D MIII. Gusto ko pa rin yung resulta nung D800, this in spite of how Kai handle the camera which very lousy in my opinion. Pati yung kulay nya maganda.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on March 31, 2012, 05:26:32 PM
@retina
     Mag lightroom 4 ka nalang sale siya ngayon $140 thats 50% sa original price. Now if isasabay mo pag order sa d800 mo less pa ng $50 .....$90 nalang .
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on March 31, 2012, 07:08:01 PM
@retina
     Mag lightroom 4 ka nalang sale siya ngayon $140 thats 50% sa original price. Now if isasabay mo pag order sa d800 mo less pa ng $50 .....$90 nalang .
Atras abante pa ako sa d800E.Nabibigatan na kasi ako sa DSLR system ;) ;)..Tatanda din kayo.Maramdaman nyo rin and joint and back pains.Kung sing gaan lang at laki ng O-MD ang d800, mauuna ako sa preorder.Kaya hanggang ngayon....my spirit and pocket is willing but not my body.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: ArpeggioRush on March 31, 2012, 10:27:33 PM
It just frustrates the **** out of me tuwing binabasa ko tong thread pero kelangan para updated din ako  :D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on April 01, 2012, 12:33:47 AM
Ang bulok ng unboxing ahehehehe,,, first time pa po...No test shot yet, malakas ang ulan and chargin pa.


http://youtu.be/d0r4kZdmqBk (http://youtu.be/d0r4kZdmqBk)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on April 01, 2012, 04:51:31 AM

Any update on D800?


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Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: ArpeggioRush on April 01, 2012, 05:11:20 AM

Any update on D800?


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kalokohan naman yan sir. baka naman balak nila mas mataas pa sa presyo ng 5d mark III yang d800?  >:( kung ganiyan lang din baka cdsc na lang din bumili mga shooters.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: LawrenceL on April 01, 2012, 05:29:36 AM
@ Junaquino ang port ng D800 para sa remote shutter release same sa D700 or D7000?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on April 01, 2012, 05:45:42 AM
Hassle pa bumili ng d800 ngayon dahil short pa ang supply.Sellers will take advantage of the situation.However, expected naman natin na magkaganon.
Maaring mas mahal pa sa Canon yan.Ang iba dyan tuluyan na magshift dahil di na mkapaghintay o kaya namamahalan na.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on April 01, 2012, 08:59:10 AM
@ lawrence
      Di ko pa na try sir, di ako nakapag shoot kanina kasi maulan nasa bahay lang.  Out of town akp ngayon dala ko lang ang cam xtra battery and siggy 85..... I want to know kung di ba ako magkaka problema sa siggy.


Warning warning warning 8gig CF card less than 50 shots on RAW + fine......... Patay ako sa cf card nito
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: bryanvcpalacio on April 01, 2012, 09:25:25 AM
@ Junaquino ang port ng D800 para sa remote shutter release same sa D700 or D7000?

if you dont mind Chief... magkaiba ata ang port ng D700 at D7000. the D700 uses the 10pin socket same as Dx and other Dxxx bodies and the D800 uses that also. the D7000 uses the same port as the D90, yung parang USB ang sinasaksak.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on April 01, 2012, 10:32:35 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1toZP21s14s# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1toZP21s14s#)

 :o :o :o
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: LawrenceL on April 01, 2012, 11:18:24 AM
if you dont mind Chief... magkaiba ata ang port ng D700 at D7000. the D700 uses the 10pin socket same as Dx and other Dxxx bodies and the D800 uses that also. the D7000 uses the same port as the D90, yung parang USB ang sinasaksak.

Yes I know na mag kaiba thats why I ask kung same sa D700 or D7000. So its the 10 pin, nice to know if another configuration another gas for that. Thanks  ;)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on April 01, 2012, 01:32:17 PM
Kung gagamitin niyo sa wedding shoot ang D800 you need a lot of memory card 4 16gig CF cards mga 400 shots lang,,, either dagdag CF cards or you have to pick wisely what you shoot.


Gamit ko seculine as wireless trigger for my D700 I just hope na compatible din sa D800
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: LawrenceL on April 01, 2012, 05:50:48 PM
Kung gagamitin niyo sa wedding shoot ang D800 you need a lot of memory card 4 16gig CF cards mga 400 shots lang,,, either dagdag CF cards or you have to pick wisely what you shoot.


Gamit ko seculine as wireless trigger for my D700 I just hope na compatible din sa D800

can you confirm if compatible sir? looking forward to see the back lit shots, not necessarily face it should meter the same di ba? or it needs to a profile of a face so that the face detection will work?

Thanks
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on April 02, 2012, 12:20:54 PM
@ lawrence
      Di ko pa na try sir, di ako nakapag shoot kanina kasi maulan nasa bahay lang.  Out of town akp ngayon dala ko lang ang cam xtra battery and siggy 85..... I want to know kung di ba ako magkaka problema sa siggy.


Warning warning warning 8gig CF card less than 50 shots on RAW + fine......... Patay ako sa cf card nito

That's all I have also with regards to CF cards. I think the minimum card you should get is 32 gb and preferably 64gb. Additional expenses din yan dahil mahal pa ang CF cards. Just wait until they go on sale again.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on April 03, 2012, 03:44:59 AM
Sorry sa wrong infor got confused naka set pala sa 4gig SD card ko ang primary which reads 40 plus shots. Pag set ko sa CF card na 8gig it reads 90 plus shots.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Atty. June on April 03, 2012, 11:37:35 AM
Any sample shots @junaquino? ::)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on April 03, 2012, 12:21:32 PM
Just finishing my recovery disc atty I will post some pics maya maya lang. Pano ba mag upload ng raw file sa flicker?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on April 03, 2012, 01:23:42 PM
Just finishing my recovery disc atty I will post some pics maya maya lang. Pano ba mag upload ng raw file sa flicker?

You might need a Pro account. Otherwise, your files will be limited to 1024 x 731.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on April 03, 2012, 01:44:59 PM
Guys ano sa palagay nyo  158k daw sa hidalgo, sobra kaya mahal?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on April 03, 2012, 02:24:22 PM
Grrrrrrr nag error ang installation ng NX2,.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on April 03, 2012, 02:25:09 PM
Guys ano sa palagay nyo  158k daw sa hidalgo, sobra kaya mahal?
Tingin ko mahal, tama yon hula ko na it will be between 160k-170k at the onset. The problem is tataas pa yan. Baka pass na lang ako muna. Kayo na lang muna guys.Tingnan ko after 6 months...kung lalong mamahal di lalong di ako bibili. Next year na talaga pag ganon.
Sa BnH na lang pag stable na ang prices. Pero pag di tayo magpuntahan don bababa din ka agad yan. Ngayon sino bibili ng 158K sa inyo? Yong 140K pwedeng tiisin. Hula ko halos ganon din price ng CDSC(160-170K).
DX na lang ako forever....o kaya mag 5dMK3 na lang kayo.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: flxrms on April 03, 2012, 02:30:02 PM
Tingin ko mahal, tama yon hula ko na it will be between 160k-170k at the onset. The problem is tataas pa yan. Baka pass na lang ako muna. Kayo na lang muna guys.Tingnan ko after 6 months...kung lalong mamahal di lalong di ako bibili. Next year na talaga pag ganon.
Sa BnH na lang pag stable na ang prices. Pero pag di tayo magpuntahan don bababa din ka agad yan. Ngayon sino bibili ng 158K sa inyo? Yong 140K pwedeng tiisin. Hula ko halos ganon din price ng CDSC(160-170K).
DX na lang ako forever....o kaya mag 5dMK3 na lang kayo.

Sa PixelPro Megamall branch P159k yung napagtanungan ko lastweek... kailangan mag downpayment ng 50% para makapag order.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on April 03, 2012, 02:44:48 PM
Magfollow na lang daw ako after holy week baka magbago :)
2nd hand d3s ang price nya :(

Gusto ko sana magFX na kaso madali magpeel ang rubber ng d700. Maganda rubber ng d7k so malamang ganun din ginamit nila sa d800.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on April 03, 2012, 02:50:36 PM
Grrrrrrr nag error ang installation ng NX2,.
Baka yong DVD driver mo madumi.. ;D ;) ::)..download ka na lang ng demo tapos gamitin mo yong serial number mo na original.Di naman siguro pirating yan di ba?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on April 03, 2012, 02:55:16 PM
-Ang galing ng metering niya. I still have to figure out the a little bit more ang backlit shooting. Medyo may katotohanan nga na madalang or di ka na halos kailangan mag compensate.
-Taming the beast is an issue for me, nasanay lang ako sa D700 na puwede kang pa ura-uradang pumitik. Handholding technique is a must kung mahilig kang mag pixel peep.
-DR for me is way much better sa D800 compared sa D700 ko before.
-Feel ko lang medyo di magkasundo ang D800 sa Siggy 85 ko compared sa D700.
-You need to shoot at a more faster speed. Kung dati sa D700 puwede ka pang bumaba ng shutter speed mo in relation sa focal length mo, with D800 wag kang baba sa focal length mo or much better mas mataas pa na shutter speed.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: yourdone on April 03, 2012, 03:03:10 PM
-Ang galing ng metering niya. I still have to figure out the a little bit more ang backlit shooting. Medyo may katotohanan nga na madalang or di ka na halos kailangan mag compensate.
-Taming the beast is an issue for me, nasanay lang ako sa D700 na puwede kang pa ura-uradang pumitik. Handholding technique is a must kung mahilig kang mag pixel peep.
-DR for me is way much better sa D800 compared sa D700 ko before.
-Feel ko lang medyo di magkasundo ang D800 sa Siggy 85 ko compared sa D700.
-You need to shoot at a more faster speed. Kung dati sa D700 puwede ka pang bumaba ng shutter speed mo in relation sa focal length mo, with D800 wag kang baba sa focal length mo or much better mas mataas pa na shutter speed.

Mulay pagtanaw nako sa imung D800 unboxing, pila ka adlaw gikan sa Illinois padung NY at pila ang shipping weight?
Pasensiya kugn daghan kung pangutana ha, lisod lang gyud mangita ug barato
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on April 03, 2012, 03:11:55 PM
@yourdone
     Free shipping, wala pay tax. sent out wednesday late afternoon, and received Friday around 3pm.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: yourdone on April 03, 2012, 03:13:26 PM
@yourdone
     Free shipping, wala pay tax. sent out wednesday late afternoon, and received Friday around 3pm.

Salamat Jun!  :)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on April 03, 2012, 03:15:01 PM
Baka yong DVD driver mo madumi.. ;D ;) ::)..download ka na lang ng demo tapos gamitin mo yong serial number mo na original.Di naman siguro pirating yan di ba?

Kaka breakin lang ng lappy na to just for the D800, wala namang serial yung sa NX2 na kasama sa Unit. I will call Nikon mamayang umaga. Uploading 3 RAW files sa flickr ngayon,,, hell yah ang tagal. Don't expect sharp pics as I said,,, still taiming the beast.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: ArpeggioRush on April 03, 2012, 03:18:10 PM
Guys ano sa palagay nyo  158k daw sa hidalgo, sobra kaya mahal?

yup totoo yan sir noong isang araw pa nag-text sa akin Henry's. may dumating daw na 1 unit sa kanila at nagulat ako sa asking price nila. 158k. tsk tsk tsk >:(
overpricing talaga grabe. sana kahit papaano bumababa ang grey units sa 140k at least para naman makabili na yung karamihan.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: ArpeggioRush on April 03, 2012, 03:20:32 PM
-Ang galing ng metering niya. I still have to figure out the a little bit more ang backlit shooting. Medyo may katotohanan nga na madalang or di ka na halos kailangan mag compensate.
-Taming the beast is an issue for me, nasanay lang ako sa D700 na puwede kang pa ura-uradang pumitik. Handholding technique is a must kung mahilig kang mag pixel peep.
-DR for me is way much better sa D800 compared sa D700 ko before.
-Feel ko lang medyo di magkasundo ang D800 sa Siggy 85 ko compared sa D700.
-You need to shoot at a more faster speed. Kung dati sa D700 puwede ka pang bumaba ng shutter speed mo in relation sa focal length mo, with D800 wag kang baba sa focal length mo or much better mas mataas pa na shutter speed.

image quality ba or focusing accuracy tinutukoy mo chief sa sigma 85mm on d800?  :( baka naman puwede mo kami matulungan makahanap ng bargain ding seller sir.  ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: flxrms on April 03, 2012, 03:25:09 PM
masyado in-demand kasi sobra kaya ang taas ng price..considering mas mura sya dapat sa 5DMk3 ng $300
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on April 03, 2012, 03:29:00 PM
@retina
    More seguro sa shooting technique or a little bit of focusing problem... first time ko lang kasi kahapon na experience na naghunt ang Siggy, it was on Focusing mode Auto and matrix metering on a backlit subject. www.pcnation.com (http://www.pcnation.com) ko nakuha ang unit.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: ArpeggioRush on April 03, 2012, 03:30:52 PM
@retina
    More seguro sa shooting technique or a little bit of focusing problem... first time ko lang kasi kahapon na experience na naghunt ang Siggy, it was on Focusing mode Auto and matrix metering on a backlit subject. [url=http://www.pcnation.com]www.pcnation.com[/url] ([url]http://www.pcnation.com[/url]) ko nakuha ang unit.


sana madaan sa calibration yan given na din na kalalabas lang ng d800. nasa US ka ba boss ngayon?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on April 03, 2012, 03:43:33 PM
@retina
    More seguro sa shooting technique or a little bit of focusing problem... first time ko lang kasi kahapon na experience na naghunt ang Siggy, it was on Focusing mode Auto and matrix metering on a backlit subject. [url=http://www.pcnation.com]www.pcnation.com[/url] ([url]http://www.pcnation.com[/url]) ko nakuha ang unit.

Nikon will always do something to clamp down the competition!!!Their indirect way of saying benta mo na siggy 85 mo kuha ka na lang nang 85G 1.8 Nikkor, mura pa.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on April 03, 2012, 03:47:49 PM
Di maka pag upload ng raw,, pagtiyagaan nalang muna tong jpeg


Exposure    0.008 sec (1/125)
Aperture    f/1.4
Focal Length    85 mm
Focal Length    84.8 mm
ISO Speed    1250
Exposure Bias    0 EV

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7127/6895182060_b2c4045c48_z.jpg)

Exposure    0.017 sec (1/60)
Aperture    f/1.4
Focal Length    85 mm
Focal Length    84.8 mm
ISO Speed    1250
Exposure Bias    0 EV

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7139/7041281423_55b51522b8_z.jpg)

Exposure    0.033 sec (1/30)
Aperture    f/1.4
Focal Length    85 mm
Focal Length    84.8 mm
ISO Speed    400
Exposure Bias    0 EV
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7134/6895185808_f9d0a202da_z.jpg)

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on April 03, 2012, 04:26:19 PM
Ano po ginagamit nyo na browser? Maganda render ng images ni sir Jun sa IE pero sa firefox medyo parang cross processed or saturated lang ang yellows.

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on April 03, 2012, 04:31:42 PM
@carl
     Raw to jpeg via  NX2 no adjustments. Camera setting standard. Auto WB. Yung second pic dilaw mostly ilaw diyan.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on April 03, 2012, 08:10:01 PM
@ Junaquino ang port ng D800 para sa remote shutter release same sa D700 or D7000?

   Kuya it's the same sa D700.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on April 03, 2012, 08:12:47 PM
Ano jun, gusto mo na yang d800 mo? ::) ::)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on April 03, 2012, 09:22:28 PM
Keeping it Kuya, the ease in getting perfect exposure is so masarap,,,,, I need to improve on handholding technique.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on April 03, 2012, 09:45:38 PM
Keeping it Kuya, the ease in getting perfect exposure is so masarap,,,,, I need to improve on handholding technique.
::) That's all I need to know. Thanks. It is hard to be charmed by the d800 if we rely on the castrated images by the browser.The d800 files are not internet friendly yet.
I hate to ask more questions kasi baka maBI ako. Enjoy your new cam.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on April 03, 2012, 09:58:34 PM
Madali lang for me na isauli  to and get full refund and just purchase a secondhand D700 with the same price and almost same actuations sa dati ,,,, pero I am keeping the D800. The detail pag sharp ang kuha mo is awesome and ang talino ng exposure. Ang DR niya in my opinion is much better. Ang Aray Factor lang is, I needed to add more CF cards, get a new lappy para lang sa pag edit ng files. Ang dati kong lappy gumapang 4 gig ram, 128mb graphics, Core2Duo, 32bit OS ahehehehhee.

By the way wag kalimutang mag dagdag ng tera byte storage. I dont know if tama ba yung nangyari kagabi, yung RAW file around 75 mb straight file conversion no adjustments done using NX2 naging 204 plus mb?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: keeper on April 03, 2012, 10:35:53 PM
no sure how true this is but il just share it.

http://mansurovs.com/d800-to-cause-nikons-stock-price-to-drop#more-29400 (http://mansurovs.com/d800-to-cause-nikons-stock-price-to-drop#more-29400)

"Surprise, surprise… the D800 is actually capable of an effective resolution of 108MP!"

may sample shot pa!  :o






edit: April Fool's Day prank pala...  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on April 04, 2012, 04:42:46 AM
Happy April fools prank ahehehehhee!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on April 04, 2012, 06:00:47 AM
Madali lang for me na isauli  to and get full refund and just purchase a secondhand D700 with the same price and almost same actuations sa dati ,,,, pero I am keeping the D800. The detail pag sharp ang kuha mo is awesome and ang talino ng exposure. Ang DR niya in my opinion is much better. Ang Aray Factor lang is, I needed to add more CF cards, get a new lappy para lang sa pag edit ng files. Ang dati kong lappy gumapang 4 gig ram, 128mb graphics, Core2Duo, 32bit OS ahehehehhee.

By the way wag kalimutang mag dagdag ng tera byte storage. I dont know if tama ba yung nangyari kagabi, yung RAW file around 75 mb straight file conversion no adjustments done using NX2 naging 204 plus mb?

Aside from getting additional hardware upgrade, higher capacity memory cards, and battery/grip, malaki din ang overall expenses when choosing the D800. Kailangan talaga na naka prepare ka sa additional expenses.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on April 04, 2012, 07:27:44 AM
Parang d700 bagsak ko sa laki ng kailangan i-upgrade :(
Desktop ko AMD Sempron lang yata, laptop naman AMD Turion with 4 gigs memory only.

Baka hangang jpg lang ako sa d800 under 20mb per file.



Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: ArpeggioRush on April 04, 2012, 07:49:24 AM
CF Card pa lang at least 8k pesos budget at masakit pa kelangan din ng extra storage. malaking investment talaga at hindi biro. :D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on April 04, 2012, 11:33:54 AM
Kung gagamitin mo sa wedding at 3k-4k shots ang average mo per wedding...... Marami raming cf card din kailangan mo.... Thats the downside...... Bawi ka nalang sa exposure,DR and details ng pic mo.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on April 05, 2012, 12:25:43 AM
@retina
   this might hold you back on the D800,,, anti-BI video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omTo7UxbJX8# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omTo7UxbJX8#)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on April 07, 2012, 04:24:57 AM

D800 against Hasselblad HD40, Leica S2, and Sigma SD1:

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=es&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http://www.dslrmagazine.com/pruebas/pruebas-tecnicas/mas-alla-de-los-30-mpx.html (http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=es&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http://www.dslrmagazine.com/pruebas/pruebas-tecnicas/mas-alla-de-los-30-mpx.html)

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on April 07, 2012, 04:31:44 AM
Keeping it Kuya, the ease in getting perfect exposure is so masarap,,,,, I need to improve on handholding technique.

1) Keep the D800
2) Benta mo yang Sigma 85mm 1.4 - for the sole reason na you really do not want to waste your time sa lenteng hindi maka-focus correctly
3) Bili ka ng Nikkor 50mm 1.8 AF-S (why 1.8 AF-S? IMHO, the 1.8 AF-S has better flare control over the 1.4 AF-S saka mas forgiving ang 1.8 in terms of focusing on a high resolution sensor

**** I think the reason the D800 is priced reasonably dahil mapipilitan ka talaga i-unload ang mga lenteng hindi kaya ang outstanding peformance ng D800 and start buying the lenses that hit the sweet spot of its high performance sensor***
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on April 07, 2012, 06:13:45 AM
Wow! Finally somebody decided to update this website.

Great job Phipho Admins!  8)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on April 07, 2012, 11:10:10 AM
Sensei siggy 85mm and tamron 90mm sold na po kahapon hehehehe
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on April 07, 2012, 05:15:45 PM
I inquired at Pixel Pro earlier, price nila for CDSC d800 is 137k.
Parang lahat yata CDSC :( ok na ko sa store warranty. Sa lunes tawagan ko si Mang Ramon.
 
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on April 07, 2012, 05:25:49 PM
time to sell the D700 :o :o :o
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on April 07, 2012, 05:37:22 PM
I inquired at Pixel Pro earlier, price nila for CDSC d800 is 137k.
Parang lahat yata CDSC :( ok na ko sa store warranty. Sa lunes tawagan ko si Mang Ramon.
 
CDSC na...kung tutoong yan ang price.Fair at reasonable yan.Sigurado ka di Grey ha? It is time to support the local dealer. Kahit pa na marami tayong na experience na mga not so good before.Maybe if we can support them magiging maganda ang services nila. What do you think? 137K is very tempting......sana walang AF issue. Check nyo ang serial number nyo.. ranging from 8000xxx to 8001xxx. Batch related. Yong peripheral AF nya ay magmiss focus:

Update:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1021&thread=41128645 (http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1021&thread=41128645)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on April 07, 2012, 10:05:59 PM
@retina
Eto ba yung sa ilalim ng body nakalagay 3002730 amg sa akin.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: LawrenceL on April 07, 2012, 10:50:18 PM
I inquired at Pixel Pro earlier, price nila for CDSC d800 is 137k.
Parang lahat yata CDSC :( ok na ko sa store warranty. Sa lunes tawagan ko si Mang Ramon.
 

This is very reasonable price, I got a quote of PHP158,500.00 limited stocks pa.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pbi76 on April 07, 2012, 11:13:38 PM
P137k is a good enough price I think. Please keep us posted.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on April 08, 2012, 01:33:54 AM
@retina
Eto ba yung sa ilalim ng body nakalagay 3002730 amg sa akin.
Ibang batch yang sayo. Asian series yong nakapost. Baka di affected yan kasi Nikon USA yata yan.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: ArpeggioRush on April 08, 2012, 02:31:54 AM
I inquired at Pixel Pro earlier, price nila for CDSC d800 is 137k.
Parang lahat yata CDSC :( ok na ko sa store warranty. Sa lunes tawagan ko si Mang Ramon.
 

ang tanong kung may stocks ba sila sir at confirmed pricing yan? baka naman tulad din ng Henry's yan una sabi eh 130k biglang naging 158k.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on April 08, 2012, 06:17:46 AM
Yung tindera nagsabi na CDSC yung unit at inulit ko rin kung CDSC or grey pero CDSC nga daw.
Baka next week daw yung stocks, inisip ko nga preorder ko na lang since may fixed price na sila.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: ArpeggioRush on April 08, 2012, 09:12:44 AM
So hindi sila sigurado next week kung meron na sila. Kakaduda 138k presyo nila. Sa Singapore pa lang 148k na eh pre-order pa yun.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on April 08, 2012, 09:17:38 AM
mas mahal talaga sa SG. minsan may mas mura pa nga dyan sa price na yan.

minsan, may mga shops na nagbibigay ng mababang presyo kung wala naman silang stocks on hand. common ang ganitong business practice :o :o :o
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on April 08, 2012, 09:18:42 AM
para sure, ask Watson's. :o :o :o
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on April 08, 2012, 09:44:03 AM

I have a suspicion na related yung "corner AF issue" sa low supply sa Asian market. I've known Nikon for a long time na when there is an equipment (hardware/firmware), production, or quality control issue, they solve it first before distributing it for the buyers.

Sa Asian market bumagsak yung serial numbers na may AF issue with wide angles kaya most probably they are checking out kung ano ba talaga ang problema. IMHO, most probably it is a production/quality control kasi na identify saka na isolate agad which serial numbers are affected.

If that is the case, I do give credit to Nikon. I would rather wait kesa naman gawin akong "test buyer" gaya ng ibang consumer electronics company. Very recently, another company with an "orb" issue who did not respond immediately sa complaints and kept selling the particular affected unit now may end up recalling and replacing the affected sensors. In the long run, kawawa yung consumers kasi bumagsak na sa 2nd hand market yung affected units.

Sa Asian market, walang consumer rights (meron sa papel pero try enforcing it), dagdag pa yung attitude na kahit may problema, we turn a blind eye kasi nga kung wala namang magagawa bakit pa aangal. Buti na yang immediate ang response ng Nikon and slow down the production. Sa mga loyal Nikonians, I am sure hindi problema yan kasi we know Nikon naman ang nag-sa-suffer sa financial bottom line nila if they slow down the production to solve a possible problem.   
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on April 08, 2012, 01:48:16 PM
OT...try nyo pindutin ang like button above kung gusto nyo ang reply...buti na lang walang unlike....lalabas lang after like(pwede bawiin)  ;D ;D ;D ...Kaya may like button yong post ni Thor

Anyway, life goes on with or without the Nikon d800. Di naman ako nagmamadali Thor. I am seeing myself shooting the d800 for the next 5 years kaya before I will buy it, all issues must be resolved.Kahit abutan pa ako ng price increase kasi kung mura naman naglolock, nagmis focus, green yong LCD, etc,etc...some are minors and some are significant....kaya mga few months pa.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on April 08, 2012, 01:55:39 PM
Doc A - I remember when the D700 was released and it wouldn't recognize 16 gb CF cards. Eventually, some firmware updates will be necessary to fix or fine tune some of the deficiencies. Other than that, many people are starting to accept the idea that higher mp does have some advantages especially when printing larger photos or does a lot of cropping.  :)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on April 08, 2012, 03:01:47 PM
Can a firmware update provide us with the mRAW and sRAW
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on April 08, 2012, 05:03:53 PM
Can a firmware update provide us with the mRAW and sRAW

Try using 12 bit vs 14 bit; compressed vs lossless NEF and see how much space you can save.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on April 08, 2012, 07:35:59 PM
Can a firmware update provide us with the mRAW and sRAW
Walang ganon sa Nikon eh. Kaya don't expect!!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: techie.gadget on April 08, 2012, 09:12:41 PM
Can a firmware update provide us with the mRAW and sRAW

Strictly speaking, while it is possible to have a compressed version of RAW, it is not possible to get a real mRAW or sRAW.  Canon's implementation of mRAW and sRAW involves demosaicing and thus the mRAW or sRAW produced is no longer a true RAW file. 

Personally, I think Nikon's implementation of RAW is much better.  If you really need to save on space, you can always use 12-bit instead of 14-bit and use the compress option.  But this kind of defeats the reason why a user would shoot RAW.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Lagean27 on April 08, 2012, 09:24:36 PM
pag naglagyan kaya to ng battery grip, bibilis ang shooting capability? 4FPS up to 8FPS?? pwede kaya yun??
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on April 08, 2012, 09:36:34 PM
Can the Nikon D800 do sports?

http://www.ptfphotoarchive.com/TUAthletics/Baseball/TU-Baseball-v-LSU-Alexandria/22315350_4mTHXF#!i=1783037606&k=k5sVRVN (http://www.ptfphotoarchive.com/TUAthletics/Baseball/TU-Baseball-v-LSU-Alexandria/22315350_4mTHXF#!i=1783037606&k=k5sVRVN)

http://www.ptfphotoarchive.com/FSUAthletics/SandVolleyball/FSU-Sand-Volleyball-v-Hawaii/22184051_9PKbNx#!i=1771613676&k=qdXVkQ8 (http://www.ptfphotoarchive.com/FSUAthletics/SandVolleyball/FSU-Sand-Volleyball-v-Hawaii/22184051_9PKbNx#!i=1771613676&k=qdXVkQ8)
 
 
It sure can.  ;)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: ArpeggioRush on April 08, 2012, 11:41:11 PM
Kinausap ko kanina PixelPro. Malabo din pala sila kausap. Yung 137k daw eh para sa sure lang at magdeposit kaso hindi pa daw sila sure kung fixed na yun or tataas pa yun.  :o  Tama si Bossing Retina. Huwag magmadali at  sobrang hassle nga bumili pa ng D800.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: multivitamins on April 09, 2012, 12:45:47 AM
Me ngbebenta n nga sakin 140k US unit... kaso gusto ko nandito warranty.... sana nsa 130K+ lang... :D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on April 09, 2012, 09:47:50 AM
Can the Nikon D800 do sports?

[url]http://www.ptfphotoarchive.com/TUAthletics/Baseball/TU-Baseball-v-LSU-Alexandria/22315350_4mTHXF#[/url]!i=1783037606&k=k5sVRVN ([url]http://www.ptfphotoarchive.com/TUAthletics/Baseball/TU-Baseball-v-LSU-Alexandria/22315350_4mTHXF#[/url]!i=1783037606&k=k5sVRVN)

[url]http://www.ptfphotoarchive.com/FSUAthletics/SandVolleyball/FSU-Sand-Volleyball-v-Hawaii/22184051_9PKbNx#[/url]!i=1771613676&k=qdXVkQ8 ([url]http://www.ptfphotoarchive.com/FSUAthletics/SandVolleyball/FSU-Sand-Volleyball-v-Hawaii/22184051_9PKbNx#[/url]!i=1771613676&k=qdXVkQ8)
 
 
It sure can.  ;)


Parang hindi ganun ka sharp kapag ang original/large size :(
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on April 09, 2012, 09:55:36 AM
Parang hindi ganun ka sharp kapag ang original/large size :(


If you are going to pixel peep a 36 mp file, then yes, there are possibilities that you will get some motion blur if you don't use a higher shutter speed but what do you expect to see?  The images were action shots.

This was more of a camera operator issue and not a camera issue.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: kriskent on April 09, 2012, 11:54:59 AM
I hope that this beast of a camera would be available before May 1, 2012. I've a wedding to cover on the 5th and I'd be ditching my X100 in favor of going back to DSLR again, of course Nikon pa din.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: battousai21 on April 09, 2012, 03:52:22 PM
may mga nagpre-order ba dito sa henry's? it seems na paisa isa lang yung dating per week a...
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: battousai21 on April 09, 2012, 06:46:55 PM
tsk, di na ako binalikab, called henry's kanina... ask ko kung meron na d800, sabi meron daw isa or dalawa, pero sa mga naunang nagdownpayment... tinanong ko kung what date ba nagbayad yung makakakuha nung unit, sabi ganitong date, tas sabi ko mas nauna pa ako magbayad ng 4 days dun a... sabay pasa ng phone sa iba, sabay sabi nung bagong kausap ko, wala pa daw stock... *facepalm*... mayiba pa banagbebenta nitu ngaun na may stock na?  cancel ko na langkaya order ko dun...
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on April 09, 2012, 07:01:08 PM
tsk, di na ako binalikab, called henry's kanina... ask ko kung meron na d800, sabi meron daw isa or dalawa, pero sa mga naunang nagdownpayment... tinanong ko kung what date ba nagbayad yung makakakuha nung unit, sabi ganitong date, tas sabi ko mas nauna pa ako magbayad ng 4 days dun a... sabay pasa ng phone sa iba, sabay sabi nung bagong kausap ko, wala pa daw stock... *facepalm*... mayiba pa banagbebenta nitu ngaun na may stock na?  cancel ko na langkaya order ko dun...
That's the problem if you force yourself to buy a unit this early. There is a halt in d800 supply chain because of some problems with some units.How serious is that, we have no way of knowing.If you have some photo engagement, try using the tools that you already have. We can't rely on these local sellers to give us a good deal now. Don't believe the "tindera o tindero" sa desk ng mga shops. They can't give you a definite info about the d800 because there is no clear instruction to them from store owners in the first place.That's their business,we can't blame them.The best we can do is cool down, be patient and believe me dadating din yang mga Cam na yan.Pag stable na ang supplies, we can go to our favorite stores with all the smiles that we can bring!!!Makakatawad na tayo sa ating mga suking tindahan.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: battousai21 on April 10, 2012, 08:29:33 AM
yeah, i just thought katulad din din dati when i pre-ordered the d7000 sa kanila, first batch agad ako... haaaayz, kating kati na ako e! mababa EQ ko... haha!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: otep29 on April 11, 2012, 10:59:16 AM
Try nyo to from f.stoppers http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwoobox.com%2Fvwzq2h%2Fzc3jt&h=-AQEJNpy9 (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwoobox.com%2Fvwzq2h%2Fzc3jt&h=-AQEJNpy9)


Nikon D800
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on April 13, 2012, 06:10:15 PM
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5460/7073274153_536b984878_b.jpg)

f8
4sec
IS0 100
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on April 16, 2012, 01:25:41 AM
Two more long exposures na madali-an . Downsampled to 70%.

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7138/6934557174_b9bacc0859_b.jpg)

Downsampled to 60%
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7128/6934644402_fc2c946734_b.jpg)

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on April 16, 2012, 07:42:21 AM
may noise banding ba sir jun? parang meron sa sky.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: LawrenceL on April 16, 2012, 08:14:15 AM
I got a quote from Camerahaus for 149k Columbia unit is this a reasonable price? availability will be confirmed today.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on April 16, 2012, 08:20:45 AM
Carl sa fb lang yan. Sa file ko wala naman. Napansin ko rin yan.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on April 16, 2012, 08:25:29 AM
I got a quote from Camerahaus for 149k Columbia unit is this a reasonable price? availability will be confirmed today.

Actually sa Henry's 160k eh.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on April 16, 2012, 08:46:09 AM
I also noticed nagkaka banding pag nag denoise ako using noiseware..... Ewan ko kung bakit
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: battousai21 on April 16, 2012, 10:30:58 AM
hmmm... grey unit at henry's 160k, called columbia (CDSC) and they priced it @ 149k (though no stocks yet)... interesting...
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on April 16, 2012, 12:57:49 PM
Palagay ko OK na yong 149K for CDSC unit. Kasi kailangan nila kumita at may tax pa. Pero 160K for gray? Mag 5dMk3 na lang kayo.Kung gusto nyo store warranty o kaya yong pumunta ng Hong Kong  palipasin nyo ng 6-8 months. Palagay ko halos OK na ang mga bugs nyan.

O kaya mag d800E na lang tayo:


 d800E sample pics (http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ja&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fphoto.yodobashi.com%2Fgear%2Fnikon%2Fcamera%2Fd800e%2Findex.html)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: LawrenceL on April 16, 2012, 04:25:33 PM
I got a quote from Camerahaus for 149k Columbia unit is this a reasonable price? availability will be confirmed today.

Update... NO STOCK... hahahaha kaka loko. I ask when? maybe... maybe daw  Next month pa... Ok na rin I will put my money in some investment na lang... kaya ko lang need ASAP sana is because papunta ako ng palawan next week, after that no rush, my D90 is still more than capable.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on April 16, 2012, 04:39:26 PM
Update... NO STOCK... hahahaha kaka loko. I ask when? maybe... maybe daw  Next month pa... Ok na rin I will put my money in some investment na lang... kaya ko lang need ASAP sana is because papunta ako ng palawan next week, after that no rush, my D90 is still more than capable.
Salamat sa Nikon, lumalamig yong init natin sa pagbili ng d800.Di ba pangit ang pakiramdam pagnalipasan ng gutom? I am setting my pocket towards the d800E.Let us all be patient. Medyo tumigil ang production ng Nikon ng d800 dahil may problem.Malamang yong AF issues. Tapos marami pang i-fillup na preorders.Mahabahaba pa ang paghihintay natin.Marami pa tayong time magsave.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on April 16, 2012, 10:03:03 PM
Sorry sa banding issue courtesy of noiseware.

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5152/6937817114_8d2ffe0019_b.jpg)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on April 16, 2012, 11:50:58 PM
Sorry sa banding issue courtesy of noiseware.


Jun, it could be the Noiseware but madami pa ibang dahilan, like out-of-gamut na yung colors sa shadows, or underexposed shadows forced to be lighter during pp to brighten the foreground, or colorspace issue.

Without knowing details like was it shot in RAW and processed in what/how/why, or shot jpeg and post-processed, and of course, without the screen shot of the initial RAW capture histogram (without pp), hindi fair mag-comment about the image.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on April 17, 2012, 02:01:54 AM
Sensei shot in RAW, I'll try to post the screen shot ng RAW with the histogram tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on April 17, 2012, 08:07:53 AM
Sensei shot in RAW, I'll try to post the screen shot ng RAW with the histogram tomorrow.


Maraming salamat, Jun!

Yungb ganitong screen shot ng ACR, wala pang pp/adjustments done sa image. Gusto makita kasi kung lahat ng channels ba pasok sa histogram. On this example, makikita mo walang Green, saka iba pa:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7038/7074546651_95345cd28f_b.jpg)

Tapos after few adjustments, ganito na yung histogram. Pumasok na yung Green channel kasi nag-brighten yung eksena:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7076/7074540569_f9bd64cdcb_b.jpg)


Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on April 17, 2012, 10:16:32 AM
ok lang ba kung sa LR na screenshot ng raw
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on April 17, 2012, 10:47:47 AM
ok lang ba kung sa LR na screenshot ng raw

Ok rin yun, Jun. Make sure sa Preferences ng LR, OFF ang "Apply Auto Tone Adjustments" kasi if naka-ON, hindi na yun ang capture RAW histogram ng shot.

What I am looking for is kung pasok ba lahat ang channels sa left side ng Histogram lalo na for low light exposures. Its ok na bunched sila sa left side as long as walang plugged-shadows that will cause banding if you pull the exposure towards the right side.

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: bender on April 17, 2012, 10:56:45 AM
I think it would be better to wait for the D800 AF issues to be resolved before getting a unit. The price quoted here is accurate. I inquired with my CDSC contact during the DPP event.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on April 17, 2012, 11:36:52 AM
@ thor
     I will use  acr nalang. Post ko pag naka uwi na ako.

@ bender
    Kuya ano pong af issue yun?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: bender on April 17, 2012, 11:53:19 AM
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1021&message=41128645&changemode=1 (http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1021&message=41128645&changemode=1)

more issues here.

http://nikonrumors.com/forum/topic.php?id=5517 (http://nikonrumors.com/forum/topic.php?id=5517)

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on April 17, 2012, 12:33:10 PM
I will post a screen shot on acr  of a pic above mamaya pag uwi ko.  We can check if we hvae the af issues. So far no green tint lcd on my part. Regarding the long exposure problem I am not sure if I am experiencing it or is it star trails, kindly check niyo nalang mamaya sa pic na ipopost ko
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on April 17, 2012, 10:20:47 PM
Here's a D800 set up guide link

http://www.outthereimages.com/images/D800_Setup_Guide.pdf (http://www.outthereimages.com/images/D800_Setup_Guide.pdf)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on April 17, 2012, 10:55:34 PM
Unfortunately dahil sa walang tulog at diretso kalikot sa computer accidentaly deleted my raw file. Here is the JPEG file na di pa na pp, SOOC pa to. I am not sure kung may makukuha pa ba kayong info dito. Sensei here is the histogram ng jpeg pic.

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7238/6941377002_30ea063ea2_b.jpg)

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: carl.casequin on April 17, 2012, 11:03:00 PM
yeah parang ganyan nangyari sa 5dmk2 dati :(

[url]http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1021&message=41128645&changemode=1[/url] ([url]http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1021&message=41128645&changemode=1[/url])


more issues here.

[url]http://nikonrumors.com/forum/topic.php?id=5517[/url] ([url]http://nikonrumors.com/forum/topic.php?id=5517[/url])


Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on April 17, 2012, 11:30:32 PM
Unfortunately dahil sa walang tulog at diretso kalikot sa computer accidentaly deleted my raw file. Here is the JPEG file na di pa na pp, SOOC pa to. I am not sure kung may makukuha pa ba kayong info dito. Sensei here is the histogram ng jpeg pic.

([url]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7238/6941377002_30ea063ea2_b.jpg[/url])




Jun, now you know bakit may banding yung image mo. The blue channel is way past the left side ng histogram. By pulling the blue channel towards the right during post-processing to brighten the scene, it introduced color shift. Nadagdagan pa ng application ng blurring via Noiseware.

Dagdag mo pa the conversion to different colorspace, from Adobe in-camera 16-bit to 8-bit sRGB, there will be out-of-gamut color from the post-processing of plugged shadows. This also contributes to banding. It doesn't matter whether we use a D800 or a D40 - plugged shadows forced into brighter state will result in weird pixels.

Here's the thing, kahit na Low Key or Night Exposure yung shot natin, we should try to avoid blowing up the left and right margin of the histogram. We can pull any channel towards the brighter side, as long as they are good pixels, almost walang color shift or weird color/noise will be introduced also kasi they are "legit" pixels. For low light exposures, it is acceptable to have bunched up pixels on the left as long as they stay within the margins.

Keep in mind though that the in-camera histogram is a jpeg rendition of the RAW file in-camera. It also depends on your settings. Saturated settings in-camera tends to blow up the Red channel earlier although hindi naman talaga.

Thanks, Jun for taking the effort of posting the info.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on April 17, 2012, 11:53:01 PM
Does it mean Thor, that ETTR still applies on this scene?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on April 18, 2012, 12:28:48 AM
Two things Thor,
"Dagdag mo pa the conversion to different colorspace, from Adobe in-camera 16-bit to 8-bit sRGB"
Do you mean dapat naka sRGB ako sa cam and sRGB din sa PP software? Dapat the same? If the same which is better adobe RGB or sRGB? In limbo ako rito?

Secondly, I was using ISO 100 on this shot, Do you suggest higher/increase ISO to achieve close to ETTR?
Thanks in advance ulit.
   
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on April 18, 2012, 12:46:33 AM
Does it mean Thor, that ETTR still applies on this scene?

Doc, pwede ETTR pero you have to adjust the exposure settings. It is a tough scene which can fool the Matrix Metering of the D800.

If you look again at the histogram, the Red channel is blown on the right. Again, ETTR is push the histogram to the right without going over the right border. If push comes to shove, which highlights areas that you can blow will depend on your creative endpoint. You can quickly check sa LCD which highlights are blinking.

Para sa akin, I would take a stab at the scene with smaller apertures kasi there are areas that are too bright. I would Spot Meter the darkest and the brightest and adjust the exposure to what I think would give me pixels with a good spread towards the right.

In post, that's where I decide whether I would take a Low Key output or a High Key output (bright or dark). The key is "healthy pixels". As long as you have "healthy pixels", you can process the raw pixels to what you want without running into out of gamut colors.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on April 18, 2012, 12:53:51 AM
Two things Thor,
"Dagdag mo pa the conversion to different colorspace, from Adobe in-camera 16-bit to 8-bit sRGB"
Do you mean dapat naka sRGB ako sa cam and sRGB din sa PP software? Dapat the same? If the same which is better adobe RGB or sRGB? In limbo ako rito?

Secondly, I was using ISO 100 on this shot, Do you suggest higher/increase ISO to achieve close to ETTR?
Thanks in advance ulit.
   

Jun, I always set my in-camera to Adobe RGB 16-bit and ProPhoto 16-bit for post. I convert them to sRGB for posting.

Ibig kong sabihin earlier, AdobeRGB to sRGB and banding is that we don't initially see the banding sa AdobeRGB colorspace kasi there are millions more possibilities of color sa AdobeRGB (bigger color space) as compared to sRGB. When the pixels run into out-of-gamut colors in AdobeRGB and you convert to sRGB, mas limited na
colorspace ang sRGB kaya you get weird results like banding.

You do need to convert to sRGB for web posting. The key is stay within the gamut of colors available in the colorspace you are working on para hindi weird ang conversion later. One of the things you need to do is capture healthy pixels, not blown nor plugged.

I would stay at iso 100. The ETTR really is a technique about how to grab good pixels for manipulation. For that shot, I would compromise between maintaining the dark areas dark and the bright areas bright. Tingnan mo ulit yung pic, masyadong maliwanag yung dark areas (areas above the building).
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on April 18, 2012, 01:01:39 AM
Buti nalang di ako nag nosebleed nakayanan pa ng konti.

Pahabol lang you suggested metering the darkest and brightest and take it from there,,,, would increasing the ISO be one of your possible adjustments? Naka 100 lang ako sa scene na yan. And you are right na superbright ang ilaw na nakatutuk sa aking niyan kaya seguro hirap ang metering.

Thanks ulit sa valuable info.

BTW puwede mo pa bang ma zoom to check on those star trail like sa skies,,, not sure if ito yung nirereklamo ng iba na problem in long exposure

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on April 18, 2012, 02:43:18 AM
Buti nalang di ako nag nosebleed nakayanan pa ng konti.

Pahabol lang you suggested metering the darkest and brightest and take it from there,,,, would increasing the ISO be one of your possible adjustments? Naka 100 lang ako sa scene na yan. And you are right na superbright ang ilaw na nakatutuk sa aking niyan kaya seguro hirap ang metering.

Thanks ulit sa valuable info.

BTW puwede mo pa bang ma zoom to check on those star trail like sa skies,,, not sure if ito yung nirereklamo ng iba na problem in long exposure



Jun, keep the iso at 100. The dynamic range of that scene is wide kaya dapat the best iso available din gamitin mo.

Your question about metering really boils down to the concept of metering versus exposure:

1) Metering - what the camera reads
2) Exposure - what your interpretation of what the camera read if you are not using Auto Exposure setting

Ibig kong sabihin:

1) I will go Manual Mode, set metering to Spot, dial in an aperture of f11, set iso at 100, set initially at 10 secs
2) Point the camera at the brightest light, read the metered value sa viewfinder, and adjust the Speed to where I get a +2 or +3 reading.

That way, I preserve the bright lights and the dark areas will remain in the Zone of my metered reading. Opposite naman, metering the darkest will entail -2 or -3 reading sa meter for my exposure value.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on April 18, 2012, 05:57:09 AM

Salamat sa Nikon, lumalamig yong init natin sa pagbili ng d800.Di ba pangit ang pakiramdam pagnalipasan ng gutom? I am setting my pocket towards the d800E.Let us all be patient. Medyo tumigil ang production ng Nikon ng d800 dahil may problem.Malamang yong AF issues. Tapos marami pang i-fillup na preorders.Mahabahaba pa ang paghihintay natin.Marami pa tayong time magsave.


Doc - I found one who has ordered the D800 and D800E. Here is a side by side comparison. Both shots were taken using a tripod.

Both cameras were shot in RAW 14bit lossless compressed and set to
ISO 100
70mm [24-70]
f/5.6
1/125th
Manual WB


(http://robkipp.com/images/D800_800e_test.JPG)

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on April 18, 2012, 07:55:20 AM
Zoom in na yata ng mga fibers yon ah !!Thanks Glenn.Sobrang pixel peeping na yan. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on April 18, 2012, 07:58:43 AM
Jun, keep the iso at 100. The dynamic range of that scene is wide kaya dapat the best iso available din gamitin mo.

Your question about metering really boils down to the concept of metering versus exposure:

1) Metering - what the camera reads
2) Exposure - what your interpretation of what the camera read if you are not using Auto Exposure setting

Ibig kong sabihin:

1) I will go Manual Mode, set metering to Spot, dial in an aperture of f11, set iso at 100, set initially at 10 secs
2) Point the camera at the brightest light, read the metered value sa viewfinder, and adjust the Speed to where I get a +2 or +3 reading.

That way, I preserve the bright lights and the dark areas will remain in the Zone of my metered reading. Opposite naman, metering the darkest will entail -2 or -3 reading sa meter for my exposure value.
Ma try nga yan kadalasan sa night and low light shots ko katulad don sa kay Jun.Thanks again Doc L.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on April 18, 2012, 11:14:33 AM
Ma try nga yan kadalasan sa night and low light shots ko katulad don sa kay Jun.Thanks again Doc L.


Doc,

Keep in mind also yung White Balance during post-processing lalo na kung mixed lighting yung night shot, like Jun's D800 image, merong light source na clear and merong incandescent. I usually lean towards an output na magbibigay ng white as white so I WB click on light gray or off-white na object within the image. The easiest lens to use for spot metering are the zoom lenses kasi you can zoom to meter an object using the centermost area ng viewfinder then pagnacalculate mo na yung exposure value, unzoom to take the shot. The toughest lens to spot meter is the wide angle. Of course, kung fish eye or ultrawide na yung lente, I guesstimate na lang and then check the histogram after the shot.

Halimbawa (pasensiya na hindi D800, poor na Nikonian ako eh...hehehehe). These two shots using an 8mm Samyang, I guesstimated na lang kahit na Matrix Metering nakalagay sa exif niya. The important thing is I checked how healthy is the histogram (walang blown channel).

Ayala Avenue (flares are common sa UWA and both shots ipinatong ko lang sa street divider yung 1st and sa 2nd shot i-braced the cam sa left shoulder ko without breathing for 2 seconds sa 2nd one).

Samyang 8mm, Manual Mode, Matrix Metering, 2 seconds at f8, iso 400 (to reduce the shutter time) so kung iso 100 siya it would have been 8 seconds, nag iso 400 ako kasi busy yung daanan, WB click on the street directional sign:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7161/6812798811_fefcf8f64f_b.jpg)


"Ayala Lights"

Samyang 8mm with same settings here on Manual Mode, Matrix Metering, f/8 at 2 seconds, iso 400 din to reduce shutter time kasi nagpapalit yung kulay ng lights. Note also na severe mixed lighting eto kaya I WB click sa isang t-shirt na puti within the image:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7025/6812888377_f5227f8aec_b.jpg)

Although Matrix Metering nakalagay sa exif, in reality, I ignored it and used my own judgment about what I needed for speed. I am pretty sure wala sa algorithm ng Matrix Metering ang ganyang eksena using the Samyang 8mm.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on April 18, 2012, 11:34:57 AM
Sensei papano ba yung face detection with 3d matrix metering  without using live view?



@gq
Ang talas ng d800E
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on April 18, 2012, 11:38:39 AM
Sensei papano ba yung face detection with 3d matrix metering  without using live view?



@gq
Ang talas ng d800E


Jun, wala akong D800 kaya hindi ko alam yun, bro... it should be in the settings sa cam sa menu.

Nainggit tuloy akong bigla about Face Detect Metering! I would have tested it sa Samyang 8mm with this shot
I took sa Bangui:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7055/6933735890_8e2b7e310a_b.jpg)


Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on April 19, 2012, 09:39:57 AM
@Thor
   I don't know if this will make a difference sa sa anaylsis mo doon sa jpeg screenshot, I was able to find a copy ng RAW file. Here goes. Kung makikita mo sa sky area may mga white dash, I am not sure if ito yung na mention sa nikon rumours na long exposure artifact. Either thats an artifact ng long exposure or star trails.

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5463/7092133579_d062169dbd_b.jpg)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on April 19, 2012, 08:02:39 PM
@Thor
   I don't know if this will make a difference sa sa anaylsis mo doon sa jpeg screenshot, I was able to find a copy ng RAW file. Here goes. Kung makikita mo sa sky area may mga white dash, I am not sure if ito yung na mention sa nikon rumours na long exposure artifact. Either thats an artifact ng long exposure or star trails.



Jun, I can not say anything about the noise or artifact na sinasabi mo kasi hindi ko alam ang technique mo sa long exposure and how you took the shot, for example:

- is your LENR on or off in-camera?
- did you cover the viewfinder during the shot?
- was it a Live View shot?
- if LENR was on, did you give it time to perform the whole LENR at the equivalent shutter speed?

What I am saying is too many variables to say anything.

Regarding your question na baka artifacts yun or worse case scenario eh faulty yung unit mo, I suggest performing a stress test on your unit for low light conditions:

- find a room where you can turn-off all the lights
- place your camera in a stable platform
- mount a prime lens
- place the lens cap on
- set to MF
- set iso at base  iso, turn off auto-iso
- set exposure to Manual
- set aperture at f8
- set speed at 30 seconds
- RAW file + jpeg
- set all settings to neutral (not Vivid)
- cover the viewfinder

Take 2 shots, one at LE NR on and one with LE NR off.
Make sure for LENR on shot, wait for the process to finish.
Load the images on Nikon ViewNX or any proprietary Nikon software. Compare your results.

Cheers!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on April 19, 2012, 11:20:08 PM
Sensei all shots were madali-an kasi I wasn't sure kung puwede mag shoot doon specially with a tripod.


- I forgrot to put on my LENR
- viewfinder uncovered.
- Live view shot

Sana I can try some another long expo sa city mamaya pag may oras pa,,,,,, salamat sa tips mo ulit. I will do the stress test mamaya.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on April 20, 2012, 05:14:22 AM
Sensei all shots were madali-an kasi I wasn't sure kung puwede mag shoot doon specially with a tripod.


- I forgrot to put on my LENR
- viewfinder uncovered.
- Live view shot

Sana I can try some another long expo sa city mamaya pag may oras pa,,,,,, salamat sa tips mo ulit. I will do the stress test mamaya.

Jun, I always turn ON the LENR for any long exposure longer than 5 seconds.

If you turn it OFF for long exposure then you have to do a Dark Frame Subtraction post-processing in PS or other software. If you don't do it, then you will have those repeating pesky dots that you are seeing in the image.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on April 20, 2012, 05:37:30 AM
Busog pa kasi kaya di na i set ang setting ng maayos plus may mga security pang nag aaligid. I will try to set the settings right mamaya for another long expo shots . Thans many ulit sa tips
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on April 20, 2012, 04:14:20 PM
@Thor
    Tried the above test kanina. In RAW with and without LENR wala akong makita na "artifacts" seen in my last pic posted. Iba naman sa JPEG , may nakikita akong mangilan-ngilan na white dots without LENR. With LENR  wala na akong makita na white dots.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on April 20, 2012, 04:29:35 PM
Two shots ng long exposure and isang handheld shot at high ISO.

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5328/6949553654_9f1cb545de_b.jpg)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7053/7095624169_243d535238_b.jpg)

HANDHELD SHOT  f2.8 , 15sec, 70mm, ISO 6400

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5456/7095625501_77e69b310d_b.jpg)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: bryanvcpalacio on April 21, 2012, 09:25:21 PM
interesting comparison ;D


Nikon D800 vs D4 - Which One Is Right For You? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g65ANaVnL4#ws)


can someone buy Kai a neck strap! nakakatakot baka maihulog nya ang isa! ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on April 22, 2012, 02:27:50 AM
Baka may naghahanap ng sample ng D800 jpeg shot on DX mode handheld SOOC. Shooting with a 70-200 at f4. Again SOOC lang po ito.

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7055/7099540819_348e05cceb_b.jpg)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7064/6953463450_eaf3b853bf_b.jpg)

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5456/7099534823_4e0dcacf86_b.jpg)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on April 22, 2012, 02:36:14 AM

By the way you can assign the Fxn Button+ main Dial to toggle between FX and DX mode. So no you can choose to use a "D7000" just by pressing a Fxn button while shooting on the fly. JPEG shots were FINE average file size is 9mb. Here are more shots maxed 200mm still handheld jpeg SOOC, DX mode.

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7245/7099538183_4419f9265d_b.jpg)

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5116/6953466480_ccbd8dcd44_b.jpg)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7254/6953469396_42f97bdafb_b.jpg)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on April 22, 2012, 09:31:18 AM
Baka may naghahanap ng sample ng D800 jpeg shot on DX mode handheld SOOC. Shooting with a 70-200 at f4. Again SOOC lang po ito.



Great series Jun. Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on April 22, 2012, 09:50:19 AM
@gq
best part is having a DX with ample mp in an FX body, easily accessible with a push of a button and turn on a dial while shooting on the fly
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: kimjexziel on April 22, 2012, 05:58:00 PM
Here is a nice comparison between D800 and Medium Format camera.


D800 vs Medium Format with Roth and Ramberg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UBTE4xpvpk#ws)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on April 22, 2012, 11:36:56 PM
Somebody asked before kung meron bang Live exposure preview mode ang D800 like the OM-D and other cameras, wala kasi to sa D700. Came across this sweet video on Live Exposure preview mode.

Live View Exposure Preview Mode video.
Making things more sweet.

Nikon D800 Live View Exposure Preview, Meter, and Histogram (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3ma806K764#ws)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on April 23, 2012, 01:09:30 PM
Anyone received or bought their d800 locally? I saw some local on line sellers giving it away for 170k plus. Palagay ko don sa mga barat na tulad ko, matagal tagal pa tayo maghihintay!!!
Baka mauna pa dumating yong d3200.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: techie.gadget on April 23, 2012, 11:32:51 PM
Anyone received or bought their d800 locally? I saw some local on line sellers giving it away for 170k plus. Palagay ko don sa mga barat na tulad ko, matagal tagal pa tayo maghihintay!!!
Baka mauna pa dumating yong d3200.


Or the D400E! 

Now that Nikon has a faster production line, I am looking forward to an "E" version of the 24mp DX sensor in a D800-type body!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on April 23, 2012, 11:59:23 PM
D400E should have a better sensor than the D3200 :o :o :o
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on April 24, 2012, 12:26:06 AM
Anyone received or bought their d800 locally? I saw some local on line sellers giving it away for 170k plus. Palagay ko don sa mga barat na tulad ko, matagal tagal pa tayo maghihintay!!!
Baka mauna pa dumating yong d3200.


Or the D400E! 

Now that Nikon has a faster production line, I am looking forward to an "E" version of the 24mp DX sensor in a D800-type body!

D800E on DX mode area size
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: techie.gadget on April 24, 2012, 01:18:52 AM
D400E should have a better sensor than the D3200 :o :o :o

Not necessarily.  The D5100 and D7000 have the same sensor.  With the D3200, it looks like Nikon will give its top sensor even to its entry-level dSLR, perhaps as a way to differentiate this from the m4/3 and to better compete against the Sony Alpha and NEXs.  There is no reason why the D400 cannot have the same sensor as the D3200.  There will be many features and capabilities that will differentiate these two, and possibly the D7100 when this is finally released.  Case in pointL the D400 will likely have an "E" option while the D3200 will likely not get this.

To go back on topic, if the demand for the D800E is high while the production remains limited, then the D400E will likely be more readily available than the D800E by the end of this year.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: techie.gadget on April 24, 2012, 01:20:55 AM
D800E on DX mode area size

If released, a 24mp DX D400E will likely have even less color and pattern moire issues than the D800E.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on April 24, 2012, 05:45:09 AM
It has and will continue to be a very good year for Nikon users.  :)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on April 25, 2012, 10:38:43 AM
Anak mg pating Battery Recall. My stock battery was not part of the recall,,,, yung binili kong extra battery ang kasali sa recall. Filled up the Nikon form magdadala ang UPS ng replacement battery,,, kaliwaan with the RECALLED battery. Diba same ng battery ang D7000 and D800?

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: coffee_rolla on April 25, 2012, 11:07:04 AM
Somebody asked before kung meron bang Live exposure preview mode ang D800 like the OM-D and other cameras, wala kasi to sa D700. Came across this sweet video on Live Exposure preview mode.

Live View Exposure Preview Mode video.
Making things more sweet.

Nikon D800 Live View Exposure Preview, Meter, and Histogram ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3ma806K764#ws[/url])


Bless you Nikon for adding this feature!!!!!!! hooooraaaayyy!!!
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: battousai21 on April 26, 2012, 09:15:06 AM
any news kung kelan magiging available d800/d800e sa columbia? :(
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: kriskent on May 03, 2012, 10:33:37 PM
Just got one unit from Columbia this morning. Kinuha nila sa Megamall young nag iisang stock. 149,000 with 2 yrs warranty. When I was presented a grey unit for 175k sa hidalgo, i immediately grabbed this chance to get the unit from CDSC hehehe


happy shooting days are here again :)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junji on May 03, 2012, 11:25:23 PM
Just got one unit from Columbia this morning. Kinuha nila sa Megamall young nag iisang stock. 149,000 with 2 yrs warranty. When I was presented a grey unit for 175k sa hidalgo, i immediately grabbed this chance to get the unit from CDSC hehehe


happy shooting days are here again :)

Swerte mo sir, mura na yan. Sana maging stable na yang price dyan sa range na yan.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on May 04, 2012, 03:44:21 AM
Stressed test my cam since friday, wedding, landscape, 30 minutes long exposures, nightscapes........ No mirror lock-up or any problems, medyo naulanan pa on the way to Lucifers Falls..... Demonyo talga.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: ArpeggioRush on May 04, 2012, 04:38:12 PM
wala naman bang af issue yung unit mo sir?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: battousai21 on May 05, 2012, 02:18:30 PM
got mine din last monday sa columbia... stressed test din yung video kasi outing din namin yun... one difference vs D7k video shooting is that the d800 is using auto-iso if naka S or A mode ka... about focusing, may napansin ako na parang week ung mga AF points other than the center.. using center AF point, mabilis magfocus, moving one point left or right, parang bagal nya magAF, minsan naghuhunt pa...
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on May 05, 2012, 06:23:38 PM
got mine din last monday sa columbia... stressed test din yung video kasi outing din namin yun... one difference vs D7k video shooting is that the d800 is using auto-iso if naka S or A mode ka... about focusing, may napansin ako na parang week ung mga AF points other than the center.. using center AF point, mabilis magfocus, moving one point left or right, parang bagal nya magAF, minsan naghuhunt pa...
Try to check kung may AF issue yan. Try using 50G 1.4, tapos test mo to death.Dapat the peripherals AF are as fast as the center point.
Mas mura pa pala ang CDSC units kay sa Grey. Hwag na kayong bumili ng Grey. This time they(the local sellers) are overdoing it.Pagnakataong stable na yong supply by next year o end of the year baka 130K and below  na lang ang Grey unit nyan. Lalo na pag di tayo bibili agad.Akala kasi nila they are in for windfall tulad ng d7000. kaso lang di naman karamihan ang makaaford ng 120k plus na camera.Tapos hobbyist lang the most is 100K budget and below.Kung totally newbie talaga mFT o kaya d3XXX and above plus kit lens pwede na.Yong ngang mga dating advance amateur nag shift na sa mFT.The d7000 phenomenon will hardly be duplicated IMHO even the d800 will have a hard time kahit gano ka dami ang demand.Binaha lang ang Thailand kaya natigil ang sales ng d7000 pero ngayon dami na uli bumibili.
The CDSC price of the d800 IMHO is fair enough for me. The Grey unit should be around 130K and below this year and much cheaper next year.If it won't go down from 170K plus and even at 140K di ako bibili ng d800. Even if the CDSC pricing is fair for me. It is still way off the price that I am willing to spend on a camera. If Nikon can produce the rumored d600 entry level FX at 100K and below, I am in.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: battousai21 on May 05, 2012, 07:24:38 PM
^ yep, mura nga sa columbia... given the retail price sa US... btw, i tested again focusing with the 50 1.4g.. and it seems to be spot on ngaun... so far happy d800 owner!  i just need to get used of the position of + and - zooming sa playback ng mga photos.. binaliktad pala nila... i guess the stocks will normalize in a couple of months.. maybe we can see around 130k grey before the year ends...
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: ArpeggioRush on May 05, 2012, 11:32:38 PM
so happy for you sir battousai. :) buti walang sabit sa af yung unit mo. tinign ko ayan na talaga magiging presyo nila eh kahit ma-normalize pa yung stocks. 10k per year goes to the warranty.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on May 06, 2012, 10:37:27 AM
Congrats  sa new d800 mo kuya. Baka gusto mo mag create ng D800 pics thread
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: battousai21 on May 07, 2012, 08:12:25 AM
hintay natin may magcreate nyang thread na yan...  share ko ulet result ng stress test ko...  I think may lock up issue din yung unit ko... don't know how to reproduce the scenario but sometimes, the LCD is stucked on blank screen with the hourglass icon mga 5-10 secs.  Nope, no NR job or anything... shot the same scene, lumalabas naman agad.  sometimes if longer than 10 secs,  pipitik na lng ulet ako isa tas okay na ulet.. hmmm.. firmware issue kaya?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: dean on May 07, 2012, 09:29:10 AM
sounds like a write speed concern right there.  maybe the cf card isn't up to speed?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Thor Lidasan on May 07, 2012, 10:27:13 AM
hintay natin may magcreate nyang thread na yan...  share ko ulet result ng stress test ko...  I think may lock up issue din yung unit ko... don't know how to reproduce the scenario but sometimes, the LCD is stucked on blank screen with the hourglass icon mga 5-10 secs.  Nope, no NR job or anything... shot the same scene, lumalabas naman agad.  sometimes if longer than 10 secs,  pipitik na lng ulet ako isa tas okay na ulet.. hmmm.. firmware issue kaya?

Lock-up is a known issue for both D800 and D4. Nikon is trying to find out what is the source of the problem. Most probably you guessed it right, a firmware issue.

The temporary fix is turn off both the 'Highlights' and 'RGB Histogram' display options in the 'Playback Display Options' sub-menu found in the 'Playback' menu.

Statement from Nikon:"Nikon has received reports of a small number of D4/D800 users who are experiencing 'locking up' issues, where the camera becomes unresponsive until the battery is removed and reinserted. Nikon is investigating a permanent solution to this issue and will update users accordingly. To immediately resolve this issue, users can turn off both the 'Highlights' and 'RGB Histogram' display options in the 'Playback Display Options' sub-menu found in the 'Playback' menu. Nikon apologizes for any inconvenience this may have caused users."
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on May 07, 2012, 12:36:00 PM
So far the only issue which happened only once sa isang week na sunugan ng sensor is yung  nag uunder expose siya on landscape mode and naka focus sa tao and being shown din by the histogram as underexposed pero ok naman pag naka portrait.  Lasted mga few shots then ok na ulit. From wedding shoot, to 30 minutes exposure, one week na walang ginawa kundi mag petek petek so far wala pang lock up issue.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on May 08, 2012, 08:28:22 AM
This is what you can get when you pair a good lens and technique with the D800. You get wickedly sharp images.

http://www.nikoncafe.com/vforums/showthread.php?t=334536 (http://www.nikoncafe.com/vforums/showthread.php?t=334536)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on May 08, 2012, 01:31:32 PM
@gq
   kuya di ma view, kailangang mag register
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: battousai21 on May 08, 2012, 10:07:05 PM
sounds like a write speed concern right there.  maybe the cf card isn't up to speed?

nope chief, i'm using sandisk extreme for both cf and sd... and besides, im not using burst shoots pa naman.. hehe..
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on May 08, 2012, 10:45:05 PM
@gq
   kuya di ma view, kailangang mag register
Free naman...register na.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: ArpeggioRush on May 09, 2012, 08:01:18 AM
no lock up issues sa akin at nagfocus naman siya kahit 3rd-party lens lang gamit ko. still testing mine so far very happy ako sa nakuha kong unit. :) coming from a cropped sensor. napansin ko agad sa D800 ang ganda ng auto wb niya under flourescent lighting.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on May 09, 2012, 08:06:18 AM
@ appreg
  Kuya share your pics na sa D800 sample thread
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: ArpeggioRush on May 09, 2012, 10:13:56 AM
@ appreg
  Kuya share your pics na sa D800 sample thread

Sir Jun. san po ba ang thread na yan? Pa-link naman po.

Kahit yung green tint sa lcd wala ako makita sa screen ko. Mukhang pangit lang talaga naging QC nila sa early batches. Sana tuloy-tuloy na ito sa production ng D800.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on May 09, 2012, 11:14:49 AM
Dito kuya http://www.pinoyphotography.org/forum/index.php/topic,101254.msg1086959.html#msg1086959 (http://www.pinoyphotography.org/forum/index.php/topic,101254.msg1086959.html#msg1086959)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on May 10, 2012, 07:36:50 AM
To all D800 and potential owners. Here are some of the results on how each lens scored in achieving the highest resolution using the Nikon D800.

http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2012/03/d800-lens-selection (http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2012/03/d800-lens-selection)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: Assisi on May 10, 2012, 11:21:22 AM
Ma try nga yan kadalasan sa night and low light shots ko katulad don sa kay Jun.Thanks again Doc L.

Doc,

Keep in mind also yung White Balance during post-processing lalo na kung mixed lighting yung night shot, like Jun's D800 image, merong light source na clear and merong incandescent. I usually lean towards an output na magbibigay ng white as white so I WB click on light gray or off-white na object within the image. The easiest lens to use for spot metering are the zoom lenses kasi you can zoom to meter an object using the centermost area ng viewfinder then pagnacalculate mo na yung exposure value, unzoom to take the shot. The toughest lens to spot meter is the wide angle. Of course, kung fish eye or ultrawide na yung lente, I guesstimate na lang and then check the histogram after the shot.

Halimbawa (pasensiya na hindi D800, poor na Nikonian ako eh...hehehehe). These two shots using an 8mm Samyang, I guesstimated na lang kahit na Matrix Metering nakalagay sa exif niya. The important thing is I checked how healthy is the histogram (walang blown channel).

Ayala Avenue (flares are common sa UWA and both shots ipinatong ko lang sa street divider yung 1st and sa 2nd shot i-braced the cam sa left shoulder ko without breathing for 2 seconds sa 2nd one).

Samyang 8mm, Manual Mode, Matrix Metering, 2 seconds at f8, iso 400 (to reduce the shutter time) so kung iso 100 siya it would have been 8 seconds, nag iso 400 ako kasi busy yung daanan, WB click on the street directional sign:



"Ayala Lights"

Samyang 8mm with same settings here on Manual Mode, Matrix Metering, f/8 at 2 seconds, iso 400 din to reduce shutter time kasi nagpapalit yung kulay ng lights. Note also na severe mixed lighting eto kaya I WB click sa isang t-shirt na puti within the image:



Although Matrix Metering nakalagay sa exif, in reality, I ignored it and used my own judgment about what I needed for speed. I am pretty sure wala sa algorithm ng Matrix Metering ang ganyang eksena using the Samyang 8mm.

Beautiful shots sir! Ganda colors and composition.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on May 20, 2012, 03:48:34 PM
Last wedding na I shot napansin ko lang na there were around 5 pics na may parang nagtatalsikang white spot/dash/flakes around the head part and body, none on the couples itself nasa palibot lang. I was shooting with flash on and off cam at time. Got in touch with nikon and sent them the raw samples. Pati pala yung occassional white dashes during long exposure nai report ko na rin and sample images sent as well... Will keep you updated on this. Sana lang wag sabihing balakubak talaga yung na capture sa pic na white spots
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on May 29, 2012, 08:10:22 AM
Some actually prefers the D800 over the D800E since the difference in acuity is negligible.
 
Read more below who owned both   :o
 
http://www.nikonuser.info/fotoforum/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=1655&sid=e4d3cc7aed246b0c58c77d44f4758171 (http://www.nikonuser.info/fotoforum/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=1655&sid=e4d3cc7aed246b0c58c77d44f4758171)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: MLG123 on May 29, 2012, 02:46:57 PM
Some actually prefers the D800 over the D800E since the difference in acuity is negligible.
 
Read more below who owned both   :o
 
[url]http://www.nikonuser.info/fotoforum/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=1655&sid=e4d3cc7aed246b0c58c77d44f4758171[/url] ([url]http://www.nikonuser.info/fotoforum/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=1655&sid=e4d3cc7aed246b0c58c77d44f4758171[/url])


Thanks for this Glenn.  This makes me think whether I should get the D800 instead of waiting for the D800E as the D800 is now available at a more reasonable price in TipidPC.  The D800E on the other hand is very rare even in countries where this ought to be more available so I doubt whether I can even get one within this year or even early next year.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on May 29, 2012, 02:57:44 PM
magkano na ba :o :o :o

i held the D800 last weekend, and I really do not like how it felt in my hands compared to previous nikon SLRs
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on May 29, 2012, 03:30:47 PM
Mas maganda yong price ng CDSC, 149K, 2 years warranty. Yong gray 160K-170K meron pang 180K virtually no warranty naman yan. Hintay na lang ako hanggang next year o kaya yong newer models na lang na lalabas pa.

Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: pitbull on May 29, 2012, 03:37:06 PM
wow...akala ko ba 130K something :o :o :o

used na D3S or D800!? ::)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on May 29, 2012, 03:49:48 PM
wow...akala ko ba 130K something :o :o :o

used na D3S or D800!? ::)
Better hold on to your d700 a little longer...
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on May 29, 2012, 04:44:34 PM
Sagot ng nikon doon sa white spot/dash issue..... Star trails raw and may dalawang nakitang dust sa sensor...... Kabago bago dust agad.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on May 29, 2012, 08:26:51 PM
Sagot ng nikon doon sa white spot/dash issue..... Star trails raw and may dalawang nakitang dust sa sensor...... Kabago bago dust agad.
Yong sa friend ko 800 clicks pa lang nga eh may langis na yong sensor!!!BTW,any feedback with new updated firmware of the d800/E?
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on May 29, 2012, 09:04:36 PM
Just read about the firmware upgrade,,, minor lang naman,, downloading it ngayon. Buti nalang walang langis tong sensor ko.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: MLG123 on May 29, 2012, 09:36:08 PM
Mas maganda yong price ng CDSC, 149K, 2 years warranty. Yong gray 160K-170K meron pang 180K virtually no warranty naman yan. Hintay na lang ako hanggang next year o kaya yong newer models na lang na lalabas pa.

Mas mababa ang presyo ng CDSC units pero wala namang stock.  Pati na iyong darating sa June ay kaunti lang daw at lahat daw ay allocated na rin.   :-[ :-\


wow...akala ko ba 130K something :o :o :o


used na D3S or D800!? ::)

Pitbull, mas mahal pa rin yata ang D3s.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on May 29, 2012, 09:54:54 PM

Thanks for this Glenn.  This makes me think whether I should get the D800 instead of waiting for the D800E as the D800 is now available at a more reasonable price in TipidPC.  The D800E on the other hand is very rare even in countries where this ought to be more available so I doubt whether I can even get one within this year or even early next year.

I think that you'll enjoy the higher resolution of these cameras. For pixel peepers who want the absolute acuity, then they will surely wait for the D800E version. The average photographer might not want it but for those who demand the utmost clarity and sharpness, of course they would go for the E version.

Ang mahirap kasi kapag may D800 kana, you will wonder what you are missing or how an image will look if it was taken with the D800E.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on May 29, 2012, 10:16:29 PM

Thanks for this Glenn.  This makes me think whether I should get the D800 instead of waiting for the D800E as the D800 is now available at a more reasonable price in TipidPC.  The D800E on the other hand is very rare even in countries where this ought to be more available so I doubt whether I can even get one within this year or even early next year.



Ang mahirap kasi kapag may D800 kana, you will wonder what you are missing or how an image will look if it was taken with the D800E.

Parang familiar BI punch line yan Glenn ah!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ngayon ko lang uli narinig yan!! Ha ha ha.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on May 29, 2012, 10:38:52 PM

Parang familiar BI punch line yan Glenn ah!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ngayon ko lang uli narinig yan!! Ha ha ha.

Shhhhhh!  ;) ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on May 29, 2012, 11:30:54 PM
Kung mag D800 ka and gagamitin mo sa landscape it seems hindi na advisable ang handheld lang ang filters mo, mas advisable na kukuha ka na talaga ng filter holder. Napansin ko lang mas matulis yung shots na walang GND compared sa naka GND na handheld.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on May 30, 2012, 05:46:43 AM
Kung mag D800 ka and gagamitin mo sa landscape it seems hindi na advisable ang handheld lang ang filters mo, mas advisable na kukuha ka na talaga ng filter holder. Napansin ko lang mas matulis yung shots na walang GND compared sa naka GND na handheld.

Jun - at what aperture do you see a degradation in image quality? Which ND filter are you using? Care to show an image comparison? Thanks.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on May 30, 2012, 10:46:21 AM
@gq
  Kuya nasa  d800 sample images  ang pic. Nasa f8 yun mostly. Yung last two falls na pic wala yung gnd filter  yung mga nauna before that  last two pics  ginamitan na ng gnd. Hitech gnd ang gamit. May difference talaga sa sharpness between f8 and f16 kitang kita at 100% zoom
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on May 30, 2012, 07:39:17 PM
@gq
  Kuya nasa  d800 sample images  ang pic. Nasa f8 yun mostly. Yung last two falls na pic wala yung gnd filter  yung mga nauna before that  last two pics  ginamitan na ng gnd. Hitech gnd ang gamit. May difference talaga sa sharpness between f8 and f16 kitang kita at 100% zoom

Jun- you've posted some great landscape shots.  Great job.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on May 30, 2012, 10:08:51 PM
@gq
    thanks, pagnaka kuha ako this week ng filter holder I will try a comparison ng handheld and filter holder, pag same lang ang result then it is the filter mismo ang problema ,,,,, mura eh ahehehhehe
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on June 02, 2012, 08:14:44 PM
AF vs FPS.
The d800 has a very good AF according to users but have a very slow FPS.However, fan boys at Nikon Cafe proved that despite of that, it is still a very able tool to track BIF and varying sport activities. They even prefer it over their d3/d3s and d700.Any feed backs personally from those Nikon users.


Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: gqtuazon on June 03, 2012, 05:09:14 AM
AF vs FPS.
The d800 has a very good AF according to users but have a very slow FPS.However, fan boys at Nikon Cafe proved that despite of that, it is still a very able tool to track BIF and varying sport activities. They even prefer it over their d3/d3s and d700.Any feed backs personally from those Nikon users.

Doc- I don't have one yet but that is what I have been reading as well. Those guys (especially Randy) are pros and has a lot of Nikon exotic lenses. Since he owns a D3, D700, and D7000 to name a few, he actually prefers the faster AF of the D800.

https://plus.google.com/photos/114340717560114340370/albums/5532563239910439873?banner=pwa&gpsrc=pwrd1#photos/114340717560114340370/albums/5532563239910439873/5747686167817846274 (https://plus.google.com/photos/114340717560114340370/albums/5532563239910439873?banner=pwa&gpsrc=pwrd1#photos/114340717560114340370/albums/5532563239910439873/5747686167817846274)

Some of the photos (great heron BIF) were taken using the D800 which are posted by Thang N.
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: retina on June 03, 2012, 08:45:18 AM
Wow, ganda ng bird shots.Thanks for the link Glenn.Problema lang ang mahal ng mga lenses na ginagamit nila. Tapos yong tripod support pa. Pero I wish to go in a vacation in a place like that. Alone with my d800 plus Nikkor 600. I won't mind having someone to tag along though to watch my six for any Nikon hating bears. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: kriskent on June 06, 2012, 09:00:36 AM
Sample from our Pagudpud Trip


(http://www.kristoffermagcalas.com/Travel/Luzon/SanAgustinParish/i-2vzvkbj/0/X3/San-Agustin-Parish-020-X3.jpg)


(http://www.kristoffermagcalas.com/Travel/Luzon/SanAgustinParish/i-tMJ6c7g/0/X3/San-Agustin-Parish-001-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on June 06, 2012, 01:32:24 PM
@kirskent
   Kuya post your pics here para ma pool natin D800 images ,,, http://www.pinoyphotography.org/forum/index.php/topic,101254.msg1086959.html#msg1086959 (http://www.pinoyphotography.org/forum/index.php/topic,101254.msg1086959.html#msg1086959)
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: alvinthx2 on June 12, 2012, 10:05:14 AM
Just got mine sa Camerahaus 149k/ 6 months zero interest! :D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: enshong on June 12, 2012, 02:05:27 PM
San pa meron nagbebenta ng CDSC unit? Naubusan ako sa Camerahaus. Hahaha. :D
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: mikeD70s on June 13, 2012, 09:47:03 AM
Got mine from CameraHaus... Sir Arn.
Anyway here's a photo I shot yesterday. 36mp really give out great details!!!

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7217/7182049725_1eff5d35a0_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikelsy/7182049725/)
36mp_rocks (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikelsy/7182049725/#) by Mike Sy (施凱銘) (http://www.flickr.com/people/mikelsy/), on Flickr
Title: Re: The Nikon d800/800E
Post by: junaquino on June 13, 2012, 09:54:07 AM
Kuya share niyo naman mga