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Title: Newbie : will expensive lenses improve the colours?
Post by: pinoguin on February 11, 2011, 01:27:29 PM
Hi,

I just started out with a 1000d and bought 2 prime Canon lens, one is the 50mm and the 28mm, I also have a backup camera - the Panasonic Lumix LX3 and upon comparing shots I noticed that LX3's colours (set in auto) are a lot more accurate than 1000d's shots. 1000d takes a lot of bland, stale colors...

I took shots of a simple flower and the red is fine in lx3, using both lenses in my 1000d and trying different settings (white balance, picture style, even auto-macro) still gives this pale red color. Is this the camera's (body) fault? or should I get more expensive lens?




Title: Re: Newbie : will expensive lenses improve the colours?
Post by: acentian on February 11, 2011, 01:37:06 PM
i think its the settings :)

esp. w/ point and shoots, the defaults are usually set to have more vibrant-looking colors.

no need to buy more expensive lens if its just "better" colours you are aiming for.
Title: Re: Newbie : will expensive lenses improve the colours?
Post by: mivec on February 11, 2011, 01:40:39 PM
yep not really, it may look sharper but it still depends on the camera and how the shot was exposed... im a nikon shooter, in my camera there is a setting called picture control, this shows different settings and color saturations, you may even slightly tweak it in camera :) and then some rely on post processing to get better colours too :) hope my statement slightly  helped :)
Title: Re: Newbie : will expensive lenses improve the colours?
Post by: M on February 11, 2011, 01:42:08 PM
if you mean color saturation, the 1000D picture settings can be adjusted for this. please have a look in your manual or visit the canon website (this option is better) to have a better idea on what you would require for your preference.

the canon website also has preset picture settings that you can download on to your camera if you want those settings.

i used to have my settings at +2 sat as base on all my presets. the 1000D tends to be more neutral in the "standard" picture setting.

cheers!
Title: Re: Newbie : will expensive lenses improve the colours?
Post by: pinoguin on February 11, 2011, 02:05:17 PM
Thanks a lot guys, this saved me 40,170 for the wide angle zoom I've been eyeing :D

I've tried setting the saturation to +4 and got lots of pretty colours! I should've figured this out a long time ago, I will try experimenting to maybe +2-3.

Just one last question on the picture style setting, I see the sharpness there at default 0. Is it ideal to set it to maximum +7 to get the sharpest pictures? or will this ruin other shots?


Title: Re: Newbie : will expensive lenses improve the colours?
Post by: M on February 11, 2011, 02:15:26 PM
Thanks a lot guys, this saved me 40,170 for the wide angle zoom I've been eyeing :D

I've tried setting the saturation to +4 and got lots of pretty colours! I should've figured this out a long time ago, I will try experimenting to maybe +2-3.

Just one last question on the picture style setting, I see the sharpness there at default 0. Is it ideal to set it to maximum +7 to get the sharpest pictures? or will this ruin other shots?

my preference on sharpness is maxing out at +4. anything beyond that "might" not be natural anymore. you can always adjust sharpness during post production if it's still not enough for you.
Title: Re: Newbie : will expensive lenses improve the colours?
Post by: geebee on February 11, 2011, 02:50:28 PM
Try playing with the picture style settings..

my usual settings for flower shots:

Sharpness: +4 or +5
Contrast: 0 or +1
Saturation: +1 or +2
Color Tone: 0

I also use this for landscape and these settings are best for JPEG shooting.. ;D

I also shoot RAW so I can still change whatever I need to get the best desirable and most accurate outcome specially with the white balance.. btw I use a Canon 500D..
Title: Re: Newbie : will expensive lenses improve the colours?
Post by: philander on February 11, 2011, 03:24:42 PM

Just one last question on the picture style setting, I see the sharpness there at default 0. Is it ideal to set it to maximum +7 to get the sharpest pictures? or will this ruin other shots?





Actually the default sharpness in set at 3 for Standard, 2 in Portrait and 4 in Landscape.

Mine is set at:
Sharpness: 4
Contrast: +1
Saturation: +1
Color tone: +1


Im using 1000D as well. Im using kit lens with IS, EFS 28-90mm III, 50mm 1.8 and Tamron 28-75 2.8. Never as in never I had problems with the color reproduction and sharpness of the output images.

I tried my friends Canon 500D, using the standard settings, the output images are in almost pale compared to the output of modified pictures settings of my 1000D, the output images were significantly improved in Canon 1000D. So I guess you really need to modify the picture settings to match your sharpness and color preference.
Title: Re: Newbie : will expensive lenses improve the colours?
Post by: samqras on February 11, 2011, 03:43:07 PM
try changing the color levels.
Title: Re: Newbie : will expensive lenses improve the colours?
Post by: mivec on February 11, 2011, 04:32:28 PM
Thanks a lot guys, this saved me 40,170 for the wide angle zoom I've been eyeing :D

I've tried setting the saturation to +4 and got lots of pretty colours! I should've figured this out a long time ago, I will try experimenting to maybe +2-3.

Just one last question on the picture style setting, I see the sharpness there at default 0. Is it ideal to set it to maximum +7 to get the sharpest pictures? or will this ruin other shots?




whoa :O can you give me your 40+k just kidding  ;D, shoot in raw for more pp stuff :D regarding the sharpness setting in my cam i change it depending on the shots i get, right now i'm practicing portrait shots so sometimes i dial down the sharpness and just sharpen stuff i want post shot :)
Title: Re: Newbie : will expensive lenses improve the colours?
Post by: ment on February 11, 2011, 09:07:39 PM
learning .... thanks :)
Title: Re: Newbie : will expensive lenses improve the colours?
Post by: nhestor on February 11, 2011, 11:13:24 PM
Expensive lenses, maybe. Tamrons have good color reproduction, less expensive than OEM lenses. :D
Title: Re: Newbie : will expensive lenses improve the colours?
Post by: shutterhappy on February 15, 2011, 03:07:14 AM
another thing to consider is quality of light on shooting conditions. also affects colors :) cheerse
Title: Re: Newbie : will expensive lenses improve the colours?
Post by: dean on February 15, 2011, 02:23:12 PM
but you'll still see some improvements on color/sharpness/contrast with a better lens even if you keep all parameters the same.  personally, i saw the difference even on an older 350D when shooting with a kit lens against using an L lens.
Title: Re: Newbie : will expensive lenses improve the colours?
Post by: carlonikolo on February 15, 2011, 02:29:27 PM
another benefit of an expensive lens is confidence, its like driving a benz even if your just a new driver,
Title: Re: Newbie : will expensive lenses improve the colours?
Post by: Donnel on February 15, 2011, 05:23:54 PM
anyone knows how to obtain the old school color feel sa settings?
Title: Re: Newbie : will expensive lenses improve the colours?
Post by: geebee on February 18, 2011, 05:04:22 PM
@Donnel - are you pertaining to greenish/yellowish color feel??

try lowering your satruration to -2 or -3.. then lower also your contrast or even pump it to max.. try to play with the color settings/picture style settings of your camera.. or better yet shoot raw then adjust using photoshop/lightroom/DPP.. :D
Title: Re: Newbie : will expensive lenses improve the colours?
Post by: pinoguin on February 18, 2011, 05:07:24 PM
contributing to my own post - I found this link to be quite handy in experimenting settings: http://www.usa.canon.com/content/picturestyle/viewers/index.html (http://www.usa.canon.com/content/picturestyle/viewers/index.html)
Title: Re: Newbie : will expensive lenses improve the colours?
Post by: eag on February 18, 2011, 06:10:27 PM
Picture styles and in-camera settings aside, I've noticed that different lenses do also produce different colors in the output.

And I also noticed that the sensors of different cameras also show different colors when the same lens is mounted on them. To my eyes, the more expensive lenses (the ones I've tried anyway) do show better color and contrast.
Title: Re: Newbie : will expensive lenses improve the colours?
Post by: turtleboy on February 18, 2011, 08:55:33 PM
the white balance of the camera affects it the most, you can crank up the saturation +4 but if the AWB of the camera fails to read the scene its still gonna be dull, or it will saturate the color which the Auto White Balance Reads
Title: Re: Newbie : will expensive lenses improve the colours?
Post by: ngarcia on April 08, 2011, 03:12:47 PM
nice tips on modifying the settings. will apply nga sa 40D ko. sometime kasi nag doubt din ako bakit iba color ng flowers kahit naka landscape na ako.