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Title: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: digitalrealm on September 18, 2008, 05:29:12 PM
I was surfing and found one of my photos used by a website without permission... the same one manila bulletin got..  this already happened to me a couple of times before.. same old, same old.. and they treat you the same as if its your fault.. 

I found my photos on this site http://paraisophilippines.com (http://www.paraisophilippines.com/2008/08/11/ilocos-sur/), i site that supposedly promoted the philippines...
(http://peoplesearch.ph/paraisophilippines.jpg)

Here is how is starts..

I send him a comment on his blog,

You are using one of my photos without permission, you didnt even site the source of the photo..
the kalesa photo above… please add a link back to my site and acknowledge me as photographer or take the photo out..

here is what happened to manila bulletin when they stole that same photo..
http://www.photo.net.ph/blogalicious/2007/10/01/major-daily-violates-photographers-copyright-and-intellectual-property/

I emailed him my reply:

Quote
Jerry,

Jerry or  Jude Deguzman whatever your name is.. you used my photo 
without permission and not even citing the source
and is a violation of my basic copyright... I didnt ask you anything 
from you but to site the source or remove my photo..
I have every right to do that because it is my photo.

You have the gall to mock me? wow.. Actually it is people like you 
that dont respect intellectual property

"I just can’t believe that Filipinos like you still exists. While we 
blog and advertise the Philippines for FREE to get across a message
 
and to show how beautiful our country is to the outside world, you cry 
like a baby. Ahh well just another of those leeches in our corrupt 
society. Maybe its good for you if we discuss this in my forum and I 
will be waiting for
 you.
[url]http://www.paraisophilippines.com/forum/showthread.php?p=12258#post12258[/url]
."

[url]http://www.paraisophilippines.com/2008/08/11/ilocos-sur/[/url]


posted on my blog.

Your full of it. You know that. I wonder how many Pinoys like you na 
mukhang pera. You should be proud that the Philippines get promoted. 
Thats full of *toink* to ask something in return. If you want that your 
pictures not used put a watermark otherwise stop crying like a
 baby.

Problema sa pinoy kaya di umasenso masyado garapal at buwaya. Dont 
*toink* yourself too much. We promote the Philippines without anything in 
return. Its a freaking hobby dahil mahal namin Pilipinas dahil yan ang 
lupang sinilangan.

I just took down the photos that you asked me to and heres what I’ll 
say. You can now go *toink* yourself.If you need a link, banner or 
whatever just let me know I’ll give it to you for
 free.

You were the one that used my photo and yet instead of of apologizing 
you brand me as a leech in a corrupt society and say I am mukhang 
Pera.. tsk tsk.....  hinay -hinay lang...  You dont even see beyond 
yourself and realize what i am fighting for...    I have copied Atty 
Vera in this email, he maybe a better person to explain copyright to 
you.


Anton


And another email from this poor soul

Quote
Whatever dude. You ask me something feeling your some great big hunk that you sued Manila Bulletin. Go *toink* yourself. Grow up. If you really are professional as you claim to be you should protect your works professionally and not just let it sit around floating.

Man your just a cry baby. Pa lawyer lawyer ka pa. What can a Philippine lawyer do when I'm in Cuba or China. Your just full of it.

I am not Manila Bulletin and I dont sell anything. I promote the Philippines FREE for the Filipinos to avail. Dont push your luck too much.


People just dont understand what basic copyright is... and more so respect the rights of the owners.. 

What do you guys think? Check his site to see if you have any photos being used..
Can you imagine He was the one that violated my copyright and he is the one doing the verbal abuse?
This really has to stop...


Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: cruzron on September 18, 2008, 05:37:39 PM
wow anton you're a magnet for these things  :o

anyway, he's a prick. a really big one.
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: Mon Corpuz on September 18, 2008, 05:38:35 PM
Hindi ko ma-digg level nila! Wow!

Anton, there must be something about IP issue, perhaps this is your cause. Count me in on this advocacy.

/mon
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: Dave_D on September 18, 2008, 05:40:32 PM
I still get requests from time to time for images and each time I politely decline.

Ignoring them is also asking for trouble so make sure you politely decline to ensure that the other party knows that you are vigilant at least while thanking them for their interest.
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: digitalrealm on September 18, 2008, 05:41:23 PM
wow anton you're a magnet for these things  :o
anyway, he's a prick. a really big one.

I think I should stop my SEO! hahaha

go to google.com type vigan.. click search and go to images on top upper left corner..
look at the first few images..  you will see my photo there..
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: cruzron on September 18, 2008, 05:46:30 PM
I read the thread in the forum that he asked you to go to. Of course all of them are siding with him. But one of the posters said this

Quote
...and i seldom grab photos na obvious ang watermark...

wow. they're making it out to be the fault of the photog if  you don't have a watermark. tsk.
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: jasondeg on September 18, 2008, 05:46:59 PM
For those wanting to check for copyright infringement of your photos, google Tin Eye. It'll point you to sites that are using your photos.

Anton, I hope your case is going well. We believe in you and what you're fighting for. All the best to you!
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: digitalrealm on September 18, 2008, 05:47:23 PM
Hindi ko ma-digg level nila! Wow!

Anton, there must be something about IP issue, perhaps this is your cause. Count me in on this advocacy.

/mon

Mon,

Thanks for the support.. We shall be putting something online soon to document all the violations so photographers can look back and see the status of these cases and if it applies to them so they will know what to do.. will update the group on this..
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: digitalrealm on September 18, 2008, 05:51:16 PM
I read the thread in the forum that he asked you to go to. Of course all of them are siding with him. But one of the posters said this

wow. they're making it out to be the fault of the photog if  you don't have a watermark. tsk.

this is getting tiring.. hay... btw, we are putting a copyright forum together and waiting for dpi for the available sked.. i hope the photographers here can come and listen to know their rights and find out how to go after these inconsiderate jerks..
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: koolitz on September 18, 2008, 05:52:01 PM
uminit lang ulo ko sa admin na yun!
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: emmaica on September 18, 2008, 05:52:34 PM
ang angas nun to tell that he's promoting Philippines for FREE and he doesnt sell anything, tapos may "ADVERTISE HERE" na box.. we all know kung para saan yun..

he even made a forum na parang si anton pa ang masama, im not taking sides here pero kung sa tama i go for anton, that's his picture e,

tapos sinasabi pa niya na ANO MAGAGAWA ng Filipino lawyer?

 
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: paolotm on September 18, 2008, 05:56:34 PM
this is scary mga sir...i think it's not just about being professional or copyright, walang respect for the amount of effort and resources exhausted to take the picture...and may gall pa sya to say these things...

"Whatever dude. You ask me something feeling your some great big hunk that you sued Manila Bulletin. Go *toink* yourself. Grow up. If you really are professional as you claim to be you should protect your works professionally and not just let it sit around floating.

Man your just a cry baby. Pa lawyer lawyer ka pa. What can a Philippine lawyer do when I'm in Cuba or China. Your just full of it.

I am not Manila Bulletin and I dont sell anything. I promote the Philippines FREE for the Filipinos to avail. Dont push your luck too much"
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: dni on September 18, 2008, 05:58:18 PM
watermarking your photo right smack at the center is i guess the best option now....
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: digitalrealm on September 18, 2008, 06:05:51 PM
watermarking your photo right smack at the center is i guess the best option now....

For now that seems to be the logical answer..  but just like to remind everyone.. even if there is no watermark the copyright still protects the image... the problem is education.. with people/jerks like that how do we settle this issue when the victim to them is the aggresor?  ???
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: replica on September 18, 2008, 06:22:37 PM
ang angas nun to tell that he's promoting Philippines for FREE and he doesnt sell anything, tapos may "ADVERTISE HERE" na box.. we all know kung para saan yun..

he even made a forum na parang si anton pa ang masama, im not taking sides here pero kung sa tama i go for anton, that's his picture e,

tapos sinasabi pa niya na ANO MAGAGAWA ng Filipino lawyer?

 


yun nga napansin ko rin. 

"- - - - - . We promote the Philippines without anything in return "

meron bang income sa forum?

Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: mika888 on September 18, 2008, 06:29:15 PM
What is important now is what will be the next step?

Any suggestions?
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: athlonfan2 on September 18, 2008, 06:31:57 PM
wow, i've never seen anyone soooo childish (and even owns a website and forum). How hard can it be to remove a photo or put something like "photo taken from www.putsomethinghere.com" he really had to create uber long post to prove how *toink* if not egoistic he can get

some people just hate it to admit their fault.
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: quixilver on September 18, 2008, 06:37:42 PM
Marami talaga matatapang behind the monitor ngayon.

The internet is a misused medium. We must protect ourselves at all times.
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: dockie on September 18, 2008, 06:54:01 PM
sue him!
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: Erisac on September 18, 2008, 07:26:37 PM
I've just checked out his site; so far, I found one photo of mine:

http://www.paraisophilippines.com/2008/06/10/city-of-manila/#comment-787

I left a message in his comment box.  Let's see what he has to say.

Unbelievable!
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: paolotm on September 18, 2008, 07:38:50 PM
is this a "the end justifies the means" kind of arrogance? No remorse and no guilt at all...
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: hubie on September 18, 2008, 07:59:48 PM
The nerve of that guy to tell you those things.  It just goes to show what kind of character he is with the kind of language that he is using.

This country of ours is really one place I would not leave, but the people should really change their attitude towards a lot of things and one thing is being honest.  What I noticed here in our country is that the person who is wrong tends act like a child and tries to intimidate you (kung baga uunahan ka sa sindak)

Hoefully he comes to his senses and admit his fault and be man enough to apologize.

 
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: emmaica on September 18, 2008, 08:19:09 PM
meron bang income sa forum?

not in the forum but in the website or sa blog kapag nagkaron ng advertisers may income yun..

@anton - magaling ka talagang photog to think na ninanakaw yung pics mo.. makarma na lang sila ;D

Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: bene323 on September 18, 2008, 08:24:09 PM
sir anton.. i agree.. ganda kasi mga shots mo kaya ninanakaw parati..

nakakainis naman ung mod na yun.. simple lang na link.. pinalaki nya..
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: kazer on September 18, 2008, 08:35:15 PM
grabe yung author nung website.
aminado naman siya sa kasalanan niya e. pero binaling niya bigla dun sa pag accuse sa kanya.

then after dun saforums kung nabasa nyo nakaka inis lang.

parang sinasabi niya lang na.
oo nga may violation ako pero pano nyo ko mahahabol.

siya pa may ganang mag sabi na

" I just can’t believe that Filipinos like you still exists."

While we blog and advertise the Philippines for FREE to get across a message and to show how beautiful our country is to the outside world,
-yeah right. ikaw naman kumikita.

Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: dsrito on September 18, 2008, 08:49:07 PM
Hi.

Just want to share a blog post related to this issue. This is from Rob Haggart's blog A Photo Editor on the Fair Use of Photography on a blog.
You'll learn more when you read the comments below the post:
http://aphotoeditor.com/2008/09/10/fair-use-of-photography-on-a-blog/

Dennis
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: Jamalirio on September 18, 2008, 09:15:24 PM
This is really very sad.  :'( :'( :'(

Actually Intellectual Property Rights exists not just here but also in other countries. Its an International Organization.
But it will take time for us to developed the awareness of the Intellectual Property of everyone.

One big challenge of the Intellectual Property of the Philippines is to inform and give awareness to the public what the Intellectual Property Rights is all about. There are lot of Discussion with regards this matter, infringement, abuse of rights, unfair competition, copyright, trademarks and Patents.....

The Intellectual Property Research and Training Institute (IPRTI), established by the Intellectual Property Office of the Philippines (IP Philippines), presented its training programs for the Enhancement of IP Practice (Enhance IP) and Management of IP (Manage IP) to Commissioner Nenalyn P. Defensor of the Commission on Higher Education (CHED), and Assistant Secretary Carol Yorobe of the Department of Science and Technology (DoST).

“IPRTI will help our universities, research and development institutions (RDI), businesses and law enforcers protect and manage effectively our country’s valuable IP assets. The Institute, a critical component of the Philippine IP Policy Strategy, will be the center of IP education in the country and, hopefully, in the Asia Pacific region”

IPRTI has established strategic relationships with the Worldwide IP Academy of the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) and is a member of the international network of IP academies.

just to inform you that the Intellectual Property Office of the Philippines is really working hard for this. Because we want our country and the government to center everything with IP. like Japan and Korea. and even the United States.

in that way our economy will be lifted up from the low rank in the international Arena.

So i suggest to the Admin and to the Moderators to have a separate thread where we can promote , talked and raised issues concerning Intellectual Property Rights. for us to be aware and spread the news to everyone to stop this kind of practice by others specially Pilipino...

Nakakahiya man sabihin pero PILIPINO sa pilipino ANG NAGAAWAY......... :-[ :-[ :-[
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: ninja on September 18, 2008, 09:17:51 PM
why not put a "ninakaw ko to kay ______" as a watermark :D tapos ilagay sa gitna ng picture
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: terence_capocyan on September 18, 2008, 09:19:09 PM
i bet lahat ng pictures nya grabbed lang
tsk tsk
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: kazer on September 18, 2008, 09:27:38 PM
para sa akin baliwala na yang intellectual property or any law..

its just respect for the pgotographer.
kaya nya naman pala mag lagay ng link nung una pa bat hindi niya nilagay
nag hihintay pa siyang hilingin ng may ari nung litrato na i link sa kanya bago niya ilagay.


sad part is mukang denial king siya...
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: Jamalirio on September 18, 2008, 10:12:42 PM
para sa akin baliwala na yang intellectual property or any law..

I understand that we have our own opinion but i hope you understand what is Intellectual Property first before you make baliwala of the Law.

Thats why there are lots of people who violated the rights of someone because of those kind of ignorance when it comes to IP rights or any other laws.

Im hopin that every PIPHO will have a very good understanding and respect to IP Rights of everyone.
Thats one of the main reason why i join the PIPHO organization. not just to shoot and share the passion but also to have camaraderie and in time slowly will inject the Intellectual Property to every photographers life.

just my two cents.....
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: Mon Corpuz on September 18, 2008, 10:21:10 PM
Sir Jam,

I'm interested how the government is handling Anton's case. It's good to know about IPO information and awareness program but it would be really nice to see how it handles legal prosecution of intellectual property rights cases.

/m
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: Jamalirio on September 18, 2008, 10:30:17 PM
Sir Jam,

I'm interested how the government is handling Anton's case. It's good to know about IPO information and awareness program but it would be really nice to see how it handles legal prosecution of intellectual property rights cases.

/m

There are lots of cases of Intellectual Property Rights.....
Mostly there are enforcement from other agancies who are aware of it and have Intellectual Property Divisions or Department that handles this cases. For PNP there is the IPD or Intellectual Property Division.

Right now the IP Philippines are setting strategic cooperation with Supreme Court.
The advocacy for specialized IP training for judges and the establishment of special IP Courts is gaining ground. This is largely due to the leadership of the Supreme Court that appreciates the relationship of intellectual property and economics.

IP Philippines recommends the development of an IP bench book for trial court judges. This will assist special IP court judges in deciding IP cases. Currently, the National Capital Region (NCR) has the most number of IP cases with Quezon City having 87 IP cases (23.6 percent), Manila Branch 24 with 69 cases (18.8 percent) and; Manila Branch 46 with 68 cases (18.5 percent). Region 3 or the Central Luzon Region has 38 cases (7.6 percent) closely followed by Region 11, covering Davao and Socsargen, with 37 cases (7.4 percent). Region 6 or Western Visayas has 23 cases (4.6 percent) while Region 12 or Central Mindanao has 6 (1.2 percent).

IP Philippines puts forward a technology program for judges to help monitor IP cases in the country. This will also link the courts to create a virtual portal to facilitate information exchange among IP judges, and to assist the judiciary to establish a case monitoring system for IP disputes.

Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: Mon Corpuz on September 18, 2008, 10:32:34 PM
There are lots of cases of Intellectual Property Rights.....
Mostly there are enforcement from other agancies who are aware of it and have Intellectual Property Divisions or Department that handles this cases. For PNP there is the IPD or Intellectual Property Division.

Right now the IP Philippines are setting strategic cooperation with Supreme Court.
The advocacy for specialized IP training for judges and the establishment of special IP Courts is gaining ground. This is largely due to the leadership of the Supreme Court that appreciates the relationship of intellectual property and economics.

IP Philippines recommends the development of an IP bench book for trial court judges. This will assist special IP court judges in deciding IP cases. Currently, the National Capital Region (NCR) has the most number of IP cases with Quezon City having 87 IP cases (23.6 percent), Manila Branch 24 with 69 cases (18.8 percent) and; Manila Branch 46 with 68 cases (18.5 percent). Region 3 or the Central Luzon Region has 38 cases (7.6 percent) closely followed by Region 11, covering Davao and Socsargen, with 37 cases (7.4 percent). Region 6 or Western Visayas has 23 cases (4.6 percent) while Region 12 or Central Mindanao has 6 (1.2 percent).

IP Philippines puts forward a technology program for judges to help monitor IP cases in the country. This will also link the courts to create a virtual portal to facilitate information exchange among IP judges, and to assist the judiciary to establish a case monitoring system for IP disputes.



Looks like a long shot. Good to know we have such measures by the government.
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: flxrms on September 18, 2008, 10:34:07 PM
**Taken from the forum ng magnanakaw
"It was not a problem of giving credit eh. Its how he said it na para bang nanindak. Im sorry and he's full of it. Even yung mga fans nya eh is mukhang mga patay gutom (Im sorry for saying that) they do agree whithout thinking."

GRABE naman yan nasa forum nya...ang yabang nya porke nasa US sya...matapobreng G**O yata yon eh... at paikot ikot pa yung sinasabing wala sya kasalanan.poke...nakakainis..

Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: Jamalirio on September 18, 2008, 10:46:12 PM
Looks like a long shot. Good to know we have such measures by the government.

yes its a long shot but im always positive in that... Hinay hinay lang pero tama.....

As what the European Patent Office (EPO) representative told us in a meeting That Europe started/fully aware of the Intellectual Property after several decades...... imagine the challenge of the office is to transform the main objectives of each and everyone and the businesses to a goal which nurture intellectual property. so it is a big changes atotal paradigm shift. Nothing is Impossible... but it will take time, patience and perseverance to achieved thi goals.........

Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: yokolok on September 19, 2008, 12:52:41 AM
the owner is just arrogant...imagine using a handle like sexy beast in his forum...well he probably is a beast...

he steals your picture and expects you to crawl to him to beg him to take it out? ganun madalas - ang mali pa ang mayabang...nagtatapang dahil nakatago...
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: localhost on September 19, 2008, 04:56:55 AM

yun nga napansin ko rin. 

"- - - - - . We promote the Philippines without anything in return "

meron bang income sa forum?


OT:

Basta pag nakakita ka ng advertise here, your ad here, google adsense siyempre nagge-gnerate ng income yun... 

On-T:

Grabe naman... siya na nga ang magnanakaw siya pa ang galit.
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: digitalrealm on September 19, 2008, 07:58:44 AM
I've just checked out his site; so far, I found one photo of mine:

[url]http://www.paraisophilippines.com/2008/06/10/city-of-manila/#comment-787[/url]

I left a message in his comment box.  Let's see what he has to say.

Unbelievable!


he is online and he should know the rules... now it gets interesting when people discover that their photos are all over his site..
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: digitalrealm on September 19, 2008, 08:10:56 AM
update on the issue.. I asked my lawyer to send him a note..

Mr. De Guzman,

My client, Anton Sheker has referred to me the matter of your use of his photo in your website. As you know, both U.S. and Philippine laws protect owners of photo from the moment of their creation. Your use of his photo is considered copyright infringement in both countries. All my client requested was for you to cite the source and in the alternative, have it removed. The photo is the property of my client. Furthermore, it is exactly this same photo which is the subject of a lawsuit which we filed against a major newspaper here in the Philippines.

We take strong offense in the language you used in replying to the request of my client. Certainly, it is unbecoming of a person of your stature. We do not doubt your sincerity in promoting the Philippines but we do ask that you do such in good faith and above board. Your actions did constitute copyright infringement. All my client asked was to cite his name as the source and credit him with ownership.

With due respect, we implore and request you in the strongest possible terms to remove the photo from your website.

Thank you and we hope we have made our position clear.

Roderick P. Vera, JD, LLM | Managing Partner
Tel. +63.2.829.1145 | Cell. +63.917.884.8372

Vera & Associates*
78 Lourdes Street, Teoville | Parañaque, Philippines 1720
Law Firm Webpage
Blog Site
*Member: International Trademark Association


And here is the arrogant bastard's reply..

NOTE: note how I have to ask "nicely" after he steals my photo? and i have to present evidence? this is *toink* sorry for my french..


Well I think I have an idea of copyright law here in the US as I also work in Washington DC. http://www.copyright.gov/document.html

In fact it was not a matter of a link as I do give links for free. Its a matter of how you say it nicely without threatening me. Dati na po akong takot eh. Maybe your client can ask me again "NICELY" this time presenting evidence that he really owns the photo image without barging like a goon that he was the one who sued Manila Bulletin. Sa Pinas lang yan po mga siga.

I have good faith in promoting the Philippines Tourism without getting anything back from it. Matter of fact just because its a "hobby" na tulungan ang Pilipinas I spend time and money in doing that. Maybe if you look at my website eh makita nyo po na sariling template yan.

Wala ho na problema I can site his name as long as the evidence is there na authenticated. Send me the papers po. Saka kung ayaw nyo po na magamit ang kanyang mga images ng iba my suggestion is he puts watermark sa kanyang mga images. Saka pwede po na mapigilan ang photos to be not downloadable sa web. Google Images has Billion of pictures. To be professional is to place the correct watermarks.

Maraming Pong Salamat
Jude Deguzman
Maryland USA
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: triggerbug.shutterhappy on September 19, 2008, 08:33:45 AM
The site owner is indeed arrogant perceived by his reaction to Sir Anton's comment. His write ups promoting tourism are well good which shows that the site owner is educated but not enough to know about intellectual property rights. I feel sorry for this guy once his work is flooded with negative comments from the people he stole photos from. If he has the sole intention of promoting Philippine tourism, he might as well promote the art and the skill of the very same people who contributed to his mission.

We'll if he ain't giving due credit to the people he stole the photos from, let me at least give my kudos to you guys for the excellent shots! All of us who went through this thread knows were the credit is due.

May these incidents serve not just a lesson but may it also pave way to a stronger platform against the unauthorized use of intellectual property.
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: natsoteki on September 19, 2008, 08:59:20 AM

Wala ho na problema I can site his name as long as the evidence is there na authenticated. Send me the papers po. Saka kung ayaw nyo po na magamit ang kanyang mga images ng iba my suggestion is he puts watermark sa kanyang mga images. Saka pwede po na mapigilan ang photos to be not downloadable sa web. Google Images has Billion of pictures. To be professional is to place the correct watermarks.


Sayang nga at may maganda rin siguro talaga siyang hangarin, pero sana nga ilagay lang niya yung link saan kinuha. Tama rin naman na paano niya malalaman kung kanino originally galing yung photo... pero simple lang naman parang sa research yan, ilagay lang saan kinuha. Kung di mo man macheck san original at least ginawa mo yung magagawa mo na i-acknowledge yung source. Kung yung nilagay mong source ay nagnakaw lang pala(at pinayagan ka at di ka sinabihan na di rin orig kanya), di mo na siguro kasalanan yun. Yung kinuhanan mo yung sasagot sa kinuhanan niya (or may tracker ba ng photos para malaman kung kanino original?).


Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: mika888 on September 19, 2008, 09:10:30 AM
The way I read the forum and with the way he wrote, action and mentality.... sexy beast is a "chuveri" in short a "fag". Please correct me if i am wrong.  ::) 

The person is very stubborn. I think the reason why he/she does is becuase he/she wants the publicity.  The issue will gain publicity in the net.  Yun lang nga, in a negative way. 

But who knows... the publicity might work to person who does not care about IP. The site will now be popular.

Just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: scatterbrain on September 19, 2008, 09:14:17 AM
just curious. in a case like this. what tools do you have? he claims to be out of reach since he is in maryland.  is he really? are there other avenues for complaint in the US? may reporting to his site host? the thing is he's acting that way because he thinks he's out of reach.
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: digitalrealm on September 19, 2008, 09:54:25 AM
The issue will gain publicity in the net.  Yun lang nga, in a negative way. 

But who knows... the publicity might work to person who does not care about IP. The site will now be popular.

Just my 2 cents.


That is the main reason I dont sign up on his forum.. this has happened to me before.. it was iloilophilippines.org but after a few mail exchanges they issued a public apology.
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: sarked on September 19, 2008, 10:38:47 AM
Nakakalungkot naman to..

I'm really praying very very very hard that Anton wins the case against MB.  This will be a start of a strong IP awareness in the country.

If he wins vs MB, then matakot na tong website na to..
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: abbeymanila on September 19, 2008, 11:33:59 AM

Hopefully, Intellectual Property of the Philippines also goes after the users of pirated Adobe softwares. Ganun din,  sad to say, we/some, local photographers here are so furious about our pictures being picked up (unauthorized) from our sites/web but deep inside our computers are intalled pirated editing softwares. Tip for tat, same thieves, di ba? Parehong magnanakaw.
  ???



This is really very sad.  :'( :'( :'(

Actually Intellectual Property Rights exists not just here but also in other countries. Its an International Organization.
But it will take time for us to developed the awareness of the Intellectual Property of everyone.

One big challenge of the Intellectual Property of the Philippines is to inform and give awareness to the public what the Intellectual Property Rights is all about. There are lot of Discussion with regards this matter, infringement, abuse of rights, unfair competition, copyright, trademarks and Patents.....

The Intellectual Property Research and Training Institute (IPRTI), established by the Intellectual Property Office of the Philippines (IP Philippines), presented its training programs for the Enhancement of IP Practice (Enhance IP) and Management of IP (Manage IP) to Commissioner Nenalyn P. Defensor of the Commission on Higher Education (CHED), and Assistant Secretary Carol Yorobe of the Department of Science and Technology (DoST).

“IPRTI will help our universities, research and development institutions (RDI), businesses and law enforcers protect and manage effectively our country’s valuable IP assets. The Institute, a critical component of the Philippine IP Policy Strategy, will be the center of IP education in the country and, hopefully, in the Asia Pacific region”

IPRTI has established strategic relationships with the Worldwide IP Academy of the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) and is a member of the international network of IP academies.

just to inform you that the Intellectual Property Office of the Philippines is really working hard for this. Because we want our country and the government to center everything with IP. like Japan and Korea. and even the United States.

in that way our economy will be lifted up from the low rank in the international Arena.

So i suggest to the Admin and to the Moderators to have a separate thread where we can promote , talked and raised issues concerning Intellectual Property Rights. for us to be aware and spread the news to everyone to stop this kind of practice by others specially Pilipino...

Nakakahiya man sabihin pero PILIPINO sa pilipino ANG NAGAAWAY......... :-[ :-[ :-[
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: Jamalirio on September 19, 2008, 12:38:22 PM

Hopefully, Intellectual Property of the Philippines also goes after the users of pirated Adobe softwares. Ganun din,  sad to say, we/some, local photographers here are so furious about our pictures being picked up (unauthorized) from our sites/web but deep inside our computers are intalled pirated editing softwares. Tip for tat, same thieves, di ba? Parehong magnanakaw.
  ???

actually yes abbeymanila the IP Philippines is also after the users of pirated thru Optical Media Board (OMB).

The Special 301 Report of the Office of the United States Trade Representative (USTR) named the Philippines as one of the countries that “have made progress toward implementing controls on optical media production.”

OMB conducted 2,526 operations, and confiscated more than 4.8 million units of optical discs with an estimated value of P1.12 billion. OMB is a member agency of the National Committee on Intellectual Property Rights (NCIPR). IP Philippines is the lead coordinating agency of the committee.

Effective enforcement is one of the seven strategic components of the NCIPR Action Plan 2007 to 2008. The entire plan was based on the memorandum issued by President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo to committee members in 2006

Hinay hinay nga lang pero there are lots of postive progress with it.

So one way to eliminate them is for them to realized, respect and have awareness of the IP Rights.

so lets begin it with ourselves.......

I have one question to ask to each and everyone....

ARE WE READY FOR A CHANGE? (within ourselves)

If all of us here in Pipho forumers, moderators or Org members which i think is about a thousand registrant in this forum. will not tolerate all of this PIRACY it will be a big impact and a big help to our ECONOMY...

Just my 2 cents to Ponder....... ;)
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: dorski on September 19, 2008, 12:47:11 PM

Hopefully, Intellectual Property of the Philippines also goes after the users of pirated Adobe softwares. Ganun din,  sad to say, we/some, local photographers here are so furious about our pictures being picked up (unauthorized) from our sites/web but deep inside our computers are intalled pirated editing softwares. Tip for tat, same thieves, di ba? Parehong magnanakaw.
  ???

Actually, it is part of their job to go after users of pirated softwares. I know that they do conduct "lightning inspections" of offices. I've read in the papers of some arrests. But if you are to ask me how frequent do they do the inspections and whether people get prosecuted because of it, that I don't know. Also, as an individual, it is up to us to ensure that we use authentic software, whether its adobe, microsoft or any other kind. Pipho and just about any other photographers' forum that I know of promotes the policy of using authentic software and that discussion on the usage of pirated software is really not allowed.



Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: kazer on September 19, 2008, 01:44:56 PM
I understand that we have our own opinion but i hope you understand what is Intellectual Property first before you make baliwala of the Law.

Thats why there are lots of people who violated the rights of someone because of those kind of ignorance when it comes to IP rights or any other laws.

Im hopin that every PIPHO will have a very good understanding and respect to IP Rights of everyone.
Thats one of the main reason why i join the PIPHO organization. not just to shoot and share the passion but also to have camaraderie and in time slowly will inject the Intellectual Property to every photographers life.

just my two cents.....

sorry sir. thats not what i mean. mali lang siguro pag kakasabi ko... I'm aware of it. infact ive taken a study about it..
rephrase ko siguro.

its all about respect na lang to the photographer and the talent he has to take the picture.  or
repect for his IP rights as you said. or just professionalism.
--ngayon parang di nag konek yung  sinabi ko. pero sorry. minadaling opinion
-sorry ulit :D

Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: gpx4 on September 19, 2008, 02:22:39 PM
Tumahimik mga pirates. :D :D :D
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: Erisac on September 20, 2008, 06:35:43 AM
he is online and he should know the rules... now it gets interesting when people discover that their photos are all over his site..


UPDATE:

After claiming ownership of my photograph as I had posted in the comment box of their site, received the following email from a certain Jerry Espinas:

quote

Walang problema yan and I will give you the credit as deserved. Please provide necessary documents na your the owner and I will place it immediately.
Kung ganyan ba attitude ng lahat eh ok. Saka as professionals request lang po na maglagay ng watermark signature sa works nyo.

Marami Pong Salamat at mabuhay Kayo.

unquote

I was too busy with a project to reply sooner, but this morning when I checked back the page of his site wherein my photo was used, I noticed he had already given credit with my name and a link to my blog site.

I then sent him the following email this morning:

quote

Jerry,

Firstly, congratulations to your site for having been selected as one of the finalists of this year's PBA Best Travel Blog!

Secondly, thank you for giving credit where credit is due.

As for the watermarks on my photos, as an artist I find watermarks get in the way of my photographs; thus, I don't put any on mine.

As for providing you the necessary documents to prove ownership of this particular photograph, the fact that I had published/posted  it on my site -- http://senorenrique.blogspot.com/2007/12/111th-jose-rizal-day.html -- on December 30, 2007 should be convincing enough:

Furthermore, as for this particular shot, as well as on my other photographs which I had published/posted on my site such as on the following two photo essays alone:

1) http://senorenrique.blogspot.com/2007/06/malacanang-palace-museum.html

2) http://senorenrique.blogspot.com/2008/02/63rd-commemoration-of-battle-for-manila.html

should be sufficient to convince any learned person that I am a photojournalist with a valid press credential and appropriate security clearance to be invited to document such events and to have full access to an environment filled with representatives of various foreign diplomatic corps.  Moreover,  my photographs had been published/featured in some local broadsheets and in foreign presses and TV news segments such as on ABS_CBN The Filipino Channel and CNN.

In the realm of photojournalism in which integrity is currency, I wish not to compromise my own hard-earned integrity by wrongfully claiming someone else's work or photograph as mine.   Hence, this should be enough proof that this photo that I claim as mine, is indeed mine.

Furthermore, please allow me to reiterate that I support anyone who strive to promote the City of Manila as I tirelessly do, thus, although you have not requested for permission for the use of my photograph, out of respect for your efforts to promote the City of Manila in particular and the Philippines in general, I hereby give you permission to use this photograph in question for six months effective as of date of this email.

Again, thank you and good luck with your endeavors.


Eric Isaac

unquote


I'd like to mention that many organizations out there, including those from abroad, will go out of their way to trace the copyright owners of photographs -- whether with watermarks or not -- and their resourcefulness is quite admirable.  I had received requests for permission from companies such as Fodor's Travel Guide and a couple of newspapers from Australia, including from many individuals and students.  Point here is: those respectful of copyright ownership will find a way to search for the owner to request for proper permission and/or arrangement.

Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: abbeymanila on September 20, 2008, 07:03:34 AM
Tumahimik mga pirates. :D :D :D

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 :D  Hope they got the message. There has been complains about pictures of this and that photographer being lifted from the web but once that photographer comes home to upload and enhance/edit his/her pictures, the softwares he's using comes from illegal sources (pirated). So, same din, pareho silang magnanakaw.  :-\
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: digitalrealm on September 20, 2008, 07:19:39 AM
UPDATE:
Walang problema yan and I will give you the credit as deserved. Please provide necessary documents na your the owner and I will place it immediately.
Kung ganyan ba attitude ng lahat eh ok. Saka as professionals request lang po na maglagay ng watermark signature sa works nyo.


Yes he seems to be nice now that my lawyer has sent him a nice letter explaining his copyright  violation and that if  he does not comply we will file a formal takedown notice for the unauthorized use of  photo under the U.S. Copyright law, 17 U.S.C. 512 § (c) to his service provider:

He still really thinks he has no fault..  ??? He steals the photo and yet he will ask you to prove it is yours? I really dont get that part...

Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: digitalrealm on September 20, 2008, 07:25:34 AM
===============================================================

 :D  Hope they got the message. There has been complains about pictures of this and that photographer being lifted from the web but once that photographer comes home to upload and enhance/edit his/her pictures, the softwares he's using comes from illegal sources (pirated). So, same din, pareho silang magnanakaw.  :-\

That is why it is good practice to capture the photo right the first time.. just like the old days with film ... everything in camera so no editing is needed...  ;D and download free watermarking tools available on the net
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: sarked on September 20, 2008, 08:17:18 AM
Yes he seems to be nice now that my lawyer has sent him a nice letter explaining his copyright  violation and that if  he does not comply we will file a formal takedown notice for the unauthorized use of  photo under the U.S. Copyright law, 17 U.S.C. 512 § (c) to his service provider:

He still really thinks he has no fault..  ??? He steals the photo and yet he will ask you to prove it is yours? I really dont get that part...



Nakakainis why this guy insists that putting watermarks on images is a prerequisite of being a pro photographer.

I would think that asking permission to use the photo is a prerequisite, not the watermark.
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: Erisac on September 20, 2008, 09:28:38 AM
Yes he seems to be nice now that my lawyer has sent him a nice letter explaining his copyright  violation and that if  he does not comply we will file a formal takedown notice for the unauthorized use of  photo under the U.S. Copyright law, 17 U.S.C. 512 § (c) to his service provider:

He still really thinks he has no fault..  ??? He steals the photo and yet he will ask you to prove it is yours? I really dont get that part...



What blows my mind is why would anyone -- who'd go through all that time, effort and money to put up a site on travel/tourism promotion -- alienate or antagonize the local photography community?  It just doesn't make sense.

Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: jeffylicious on September 20, 2008, 09:55:01 AM
why not put a "ninakaw ko to kay ______" as a watermark :D tapos ilagay sa gitna ng picture

sir i just had a good laugh here and i must say.. brilliant idea!!!  magawa nga ito.  ;) but seriously sir.. ill do this!! :)
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: likhamira on September 20, 2008, 10:37:58 AM
What blows my mind is why would anyone -- who'd go through all that time, effort and money to put up a site on travel/tourism promotion -- alienate or antagonize the local photography community?  It just doesn't make sense.



the ever so notorious human flaw. call it hypocrisy, fakeness or whatever else its been called. says one and does another. finds fault in others but justifies his own. its not filipino. its being human. we all have that tendencies admit it or not but some do strive to be better. in this case that guy is NOT striving to do better. Promoting the Phils " without anything in return " is pure bull... You always want something in return - it may not be money immediately but the recognition for at the very least - ones effort for doing what one is doing. An honorable Pinoy who promotes the Phil with sincerity ( tunay at buong puso ) would surely be at the same premise of promoting firstly - the good in the Pinoy. Ones talents, good traits, etc. By the sound of it - nanlait pa sya ng kapwa nya Pinoy. That exposes him to be a fake. If this is the type of guy who promotes his own country, I wouldn't want to go there based on that guy personality. Logical right? Why would I go to the country of an a-hole who tramples on the rights of his very own countrymen.

a true Pinoy with true intentions would have reacted kinda like this way to a fellow Pinoy, " ay pare, pasensya na my apologies i was just searching for photos of our country and found some including your photos which are really great so i used it, i missed to recognize you as the owner ( maybe because he was not aware or whatever ), can i still use it but i'll put your name as the photographer/ recognize you as fellow pinoy who took the photos? etc... "

Im sure you get my point. You can't believe in the country if you can't believe in the people ( i am ninoy  :D ).

i honor anton for being a vigilant guy for doing what is right against ipr infringement. yan ang pinoy! proud sa trabaho nya! marangal!

i cannot say the same thing for the guy who " promotes the philippines "

now we know why di sila ( mga tourists ) pumupunta the way they should. :D




Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: localhost on September 20, 2008, 10:42:58 AM
grabe naman yang taon yan... Inilagay nga credit kay Anton pero ganito nakalagay:

Photo by: Anton “Cry Baby” Shecker tapos naka-lnk dito: http://www.paraisophilippines.com/ants.jpg
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: likhamira on September 20, 2008, 10:47:05 AM
Tumahimik mga pirates. :D :D :D

arroucchh...  ::)

 from pirated softwares to dibidis. although this one is more a case of affordability more than really intending to scam other people. but nakaw is nakaw nga. guilty ako dito pero now i try ( unti unti ) to afford the softwares that i need. sa dibidi - yoko na rin. sayang lang nuod na lang sine.

unti unti. i try.i do. seriously. ::) ;D

ayan a umamin ako. :D
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: digitalrealm on September 20, 2008, 11:16:03 AM
grabe naman yang taon yan... Inilagay nga credit kay Anton pero ganito nakalagay:

Photo by: Anton “Cry Baby” Shecker tapos naka-lnk dito: [url]http://www.paraisophilippines.com/ants.jpg[/url]


He is just trying to make his website more popular by trying to stir controversy..   
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: digitalrealm on September 20, 2008, 11:22:27 AM
He is just trying to make his website more popular by trying to stir controversy..   

anybody like my new look?  ;D
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: likhamira on September 20, 2008, 11:34:20 AM
anybody like my new look?  ;D

sobrang nahihiya ako sa taong to, and he dares to say he's promoting the philippines? oo nga. yun bunabato nya sayo mukhang yun tlga ugali nya. kakahiya. ambait na ni paolotm ( i read the discussions there ) naku po bastos pa rin. gusto kong maglog in dun to register sa site nya kaso, not worth it. hindi sya pinoy site its a pointless endeavor what he's doing.
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: alky-holic on September 20, 2008, 02:29:29 PM
hmm.. just checked his site now, looks like he's added the proper credits now (at least for that one pic i saw)...

good job! :) hope he's learned his lesson
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: kpy555 on September 20, 2008, 03:47:36 PM
Nakakainis.! In addition, nagbigay nga ng credit pero may insulto pa.  >:(
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: mika888 on September 21, 2008, 11:39:08 AM

yun nga napansin ko rin. 

"- - - - - . We promote the Philippines without anything in return "

meron bang income sa forum?


Yes, there is very much income in forums thru advertising. 

Check if you can see advertisements in every page you visit in a forum. 

The more people who visit the site, the more profitable for the owner. Webstats will rise up, and he or she can justify the rates for banner ads to propective advertisers. Rates usually starts from 5k a month to up.  Basis of rates is the number of visitors each day and membership base. Custom advertising are usually much higher than standard banner types.  This is when you experience that when you visit a site, pop ups usually greet you. And once you clicked on the close tab, that will be tool to measure the visits and confirmation that you saw the ad.

It is simple internet marketing.
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: digitalrealm on September 22, 2008, 10:02:02 AM

Hopefully, Intellectual Property of the Philippines also goes after the users of pirated Adobe softwares. Ganun din,  sad to say, we/some, local photographers here are so furious about our pictures being picked up (unauthorized) from our sites/web but deep inside our computers are intalled pirated editing softwares. Tip for tat, same thieves, di ba? Parehong magnanakaw.
  ???


You dont have to be a pirate there are so many alternatives online..
http://www.photo.net.ph/blogalicious/2008/09/20/photo-editing-software-photoshop-alternatives-and-online-photo-editors/

Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: vonjdakyut on October 03, 2008, 06:37:13 PM
ok lang kung gamitin ang mga picture para a website nila, basta magpaalam lang!
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: aponiboyong on November 14, 2008, 01:47:57 PM
©
Respect the maker.
Let's fight for our rights.
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: jabee on November 16, 2008, 10:10:33 PM
nabasa ko yung forum nila, sobra naman siya mag react. HInde ba yung site na kinuhaan niya ng picture eh nakalagay naman kung sino mayari nun. parang hirap na hirap siya tangapin na meron mayari nung photo na yun
Title: Re: No Respect for copyright -check the site if you have photos there..
Post by: maldito on November 16, 2008, 11:25:43 PM
@ digitalrealm

sana mabwisit yung *toink* na nag nakaw ng photo mu sir... kakainis!!!