switching to 60D

[enzo]

Hi, just need advice regarding canon 60D, im a nikon user and im a bit disappointed with D7000 color and skin tone. I rather like a d300 skintone. is it worth getting a 60D? i already have a 17-55 efs.

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[gqtuazon]

Raychard, can you please show some sample pictures? What picture control are you using and white balance? Sorry I don't know anything about Canon bodies but I am curious about the skin tone that you are referring to. Thanks.

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[enzo]

i used neutral  and sometimes standard minus 1 saturation. iba lang yung color sa d7000 mas ok pa yung d40 and my d90/d300. thats why im looking for a d2x color mode for d7k but i dont think there is one. will post sample pic later.

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[AcheeX]

i have been using the d40/d300s before i had the d7000, i initially troubled by the "yellowish" color cast, but after adjusting the AutoWB to +B4, it corrected the colorcast completely, and now very happy with it.

Also the same problem i got from it is the lenses... what lenses are you using? i initially using my DX lenses on the D7000 ( 18-55, 17-50 2.8 tamron, 11-16 tokina )  and was suprised by the lack of sharpness, contrary to the time i was using it with the d40/d300s. then i used FX lewses ( 50 1.4 hsm, 58mm NOCT, 105 VR, 24 35 f2, 85 1.4 ) then suddenly the IQ of the d7000 shines. Maybe the old DX lenses can't resolve the new 16mpixel of the d7000 ( ?)

with the right lenses and right settings ( d-lighting off, high noise NR off, standard-vivid, corrected WB ) you will rezalize the d7000 is the current APS-C king.

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[pitbull]

kulay lang yan. madali lang ayusin 

kung gusto mo lumipat sa canon, go all out and get the amazing 7D 

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[retina]

You are not alone about the skin tones of the d7000/5100. I was surprised that there are so few who are complaining here. My suspect is they were able to tweak it to their taste or they got used to the Nikon color cast .
I studied the Canon skin tones and if you are shifting, IMHO the 7D has much better skin tones. The 60D is very good but at times I noted some purple cast. However, that is my personal observation and I can be wrong, it is very subjective. My monitor in uncalibrated  but relatively new.!!!
I suspect that this is sensor thing!!! I personally believe that the best tones are from the D3 sensors so you may want to look at it.
Several people who complained and adjusted their settings,observed proper technique , careful tinkering of the WB are now happy d7K shooters!!!

It is your call!!!!Good luck!!!The d7k is a very good camera IMHO!!!

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[gqtuazon]

i have been using the d40/d300s before i had the d7000, i initially troubled by the "yellowish" color cast, but after adjusting the AutoWB to +B4, it corrected the colorcast completely, and now very happy with it.

Also the same problem i got from it is the lenses... what lenses are you using? i initially using my DX lenses on the D7000 ( 18-55, 17-50 2.8 tamron, 11-16 tokina )  and was suprised by the lack of sharpness, contrary to the time i was using it with the d40/d300s. then i used FX lewses ( 50 1.4 hsm, 58mm NOCT, 105 VR, 24 35 f2, 85 1.4 ) then suddenly the IQ of the d7000 shines. Maybe the old DX lenses can't resolve the new 16mpixel of the d7000 ( ?)

Acheex, I think you are correct about the warmer color of the D7000. I thought mine was set to Auto WB 2 but it was set to it's default setting. I only adjusted mine to +1 but I might experiment a little more to +2, 3 and even 4 if necessary.

I don't have any DX lenses so I cannot confirm or comment about the lack of sharpness when using DX lenses.  You can always upload your picture control settings of your D300/D700 to the D7000 if necessary. I had the Tamron 17-50mm f2.8 screw drive type and it was soft using my D80 at the time when using it wide open.

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[pitbull]

personally, i edit my stuff in PP since i shoot RAW, so this is a non-issue for me. like i said, kulay lang yan. you can download color profiles of other people

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[tackypinili]

LOL.. Pitbull's d7000 club to the rescue! I was expecting that the d7000 users would help the guy who would like to switch cameras because of the picture style (picture control for canon).

When I first handheld a nikon, i immediately wanted to compare it with my current camera.. both are in auto white balance. but when the first photos appeared, the nikon tends to be very yellowish and my canon gave the right white balance. at that first photo comparison, i said, forget it. ill not get a good comparison since i dont want to tweak the nikon.

Anyway going back to topic, the 60D is a user friendly camera, it has a very helpful swiveling screen and the 18MP resolution for me is over rated. LOL. i still use Mraw (medium sized Raw file) about 10MP as standard unless i shoot landscapes. Wireless flash is also good. what you might miss with the d7000 that is not present in the 60D is the plentiful AF points and also i think the metering of the d7000 is better than that of the 60D. Also, the 60D doesnt have the dual SD memory card slots. Id love to have that feature. but what i like about the 60D and the 7D is the camera size which is quite bigger than the d7000 and is a joy to use.

Id say, you might want to find a solution on that white balance problem like using custom white balance or something because jumping to the other side of the fence is not as easy as just buying the camera. the whole system and its controls are also different.

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[pitbull]

syempre. kailangan ng moral support eh 

pero syempre, kung gusto nya mag shift sa ibang brand, OK lang yan  the most we can do is help him make an informed choice 

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[retina]

Medyo OT pero related pa rin naman!!!

OK try natin yong mga settings nyo sa d7K nyo...post nyo nga.

Try nyo to:
Fine Tune Optimal exposure:
For matrix, center weight and spot: I tweaked it -2/6

AutoWB plus B2-4( depende but mostly sa B4)

Portrait:
Sharpening +5
Contrast -1
Brightness -1
Saturation 0
Hue -1

Neutral :
Sharpening  + 7
Contrast 0
Brightness -1
Saturation 0
Hue -1

This is not the best and I still adjust that in LR but If I nailed the exposure and WB right when shooting most likely OK the ang skin tones.Kaso lang subjective talaga ang skin tones din. Ayaw ko naman ang natural skin tone kasi walang kabuhay buhay!!! Bahala na kayo sa ibang settings like NR, ADL, etc.

Share yours!!!Please.

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[theperson]

i don't think getting a 60d after owning a d7000 would be a good move. the skin tone can be easily fixed (especially if you're shooting raw) or kahit jpeg; madaming options like control over saturation, hue, WHITE BALANCE. 60d is still an awesome camera though.

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[Gideon]

In the end, it doesn't matter what brand, it all goes down to Photoshop... Hehe...   

What a paradox indeed... 

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[tackypinili]

In the end, it doesn't matter what brand, it all goes down to Photoshop... Hehe...   

What a paradox indeed... 

Waahahaha.. i agree.. it doesnt matter what brand nga ng camera or model ng lens mo. we all meet in a certain intersection, namely, Photoshop! although syempre we strive to do the shoot-to-print type. Meaning, what goes out of the camera should more or less be the final stage. It should be in the right exposure and framing. I learned this from most of the pros.

BTT: Why dont you try using White Balance Caps?

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[enzo]

thanks for the tip, i just learn about AWB + B3 or B4 parang ok na din yung color ( should i used Auto1 or 2?). mostly i used kelvin color, baka mali lang yung pag pili ko. will try to shoot model later. for the lens ive used sigma 50 1.4, 30 1.4, tokina 11-16 and nikkor 24-70.  one problem is i only shoot jpg  on d7k since my cs3 doesnt support nef coming from d7k.

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[gqtuazon]

Ok I tried it today since the weather seems to be much better except for the wind gust.  You can always use NX2 as a trial product to see if you like it and to process the RAW files from the D7000.

1.  Nikon D7000 + Nikon 70-200mm f2.8 VRII with Kenko 1.4x TC, 0 WB, Standard picture control process via NX2. @220mm, f5.6, 1/125, ISO 360.




2. B2 AUTO WB, Nikon D7000 + Nikon 70-200mm f2.8 VRII @ 200mm, f5, 1/200, ISO 2000



3. B3 Auto WB, Nikon D7000 + Nikon 70-200mm f2.8 VRII @ 200, f5, 1/160



I think I'm happy with the auto WB set at B3. Do not use AUTO 2 since that will make it warmer or yellowish.

With this IQ, I don't see myself trading or replacing my Nikon D7000 with any other brand. 

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[Gideon]

Waahahaha.. i agree.. it doesnt matter what brand nga ng camera or model ng lens mo. we all meet in a certain intersection, namely, Photoshop! although syempre we strive to do the shoot-to-print type. Meaning, what goes out of the camera should more or less be the final stage. It should be in the right exposure and framing. I learned this from most of the pros.

BTT: Why dont you try using White Balance Caps?

Yup, more camera less photoshop...

I've tried White Balance Caps, they work, but they need time for adjustment...  I now user KELVIN on my white balance and just adjust a little on Lightroom...

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[tackypinili]

Ok I tried it today since the weather seems to be much better except for the wind gust.  You can always use NX2 as a trial product to see if you like it and to process the RAW files from the D7000.

1.  Nikon D7000 + Nikon 70-200mm f2.8 VRII with Kenko 1.4x TC, 0 WB, Standard picture control process via NX2. @220mm, f5.6, 1/125, ISO 360.




2. B2 AUTO WB, Nikon D7000 + Nikon 70-200mm f2.8 VRII @ 200mm, f5, 1/200, ISO 2000



3. B3 Auto WB, Nikon D7000 + Nikon 70-200mm f2.8 VRII @ 200, f5, 1/160



I think I'm happy with the auto WB set at B3. Do not use AUTO 2 since that will make it warmer or yellowish.

With this IQ, I don't see myself trading or replacing my Nikon D7000 with any other brand. 

These photos look fine! Ako kasi i am dependent on AWB (auto white balance) then adjust na lang sa camera raw as long as tolerable naman. pero kung grabe sa warm or grabe sa cool and other cameras can handle them properly, why not change? it doesnt have to be the other brand, it can be the other model with the same brand. kaysa naman adjust ka ng adjust ng kelvin in every situation.

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[glennalday]

IMHO: d7000 is higher than 60d. You are just downgrading pag pinili mo ang 60d, better go for 7d. like what they said, kulay lang yan. better experiment muna sa settings ng camera mo.

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[monocle]

IMHO: d7000 is higher than 60d. You are just downgrading pag pinili mo ang 60d, better go for 7d. like what they said, kulay lang yan. better experiment muna sa settings ng camera mo.

i agree! 

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