Adobe Photoshop May Possibly Become Microsoft Photoshop

[CrispyParty]

Imagine Adobe Photoshop CS5 being the last version of Photoshop you can install in your Mac.

http://www.petapixel.com/2010/10/08/adobe-photoshop-may-possibly-become-microsoft-photoshop/

It's going to be interesting how things will unfold if the merger pushes through

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[What]

I don't see a problem in this. microsoft is a software company, apple is a hardware company. there is microsoft software in the mac (office notably) which performs perfectly on the mac just like the windows version. (not to mention microsoft has a stake in apple )

if this is true, it means that photoshop devs may get more economical backing. same thing happened with macromedia and adobe. hopefully this would mean enhanced native support for lightroom/photoshop/ acrobat features in windows  . hopefully microsoft won't downsize adobe's dev teams and maintain adobe's applications 

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[pitbull]

booo...down with monopoly 

umay na ako sa autodesk,ngayon adobe naman

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[SoraAoi-is-BlueSky]

IMHO, not gonna happen, adobe price is too much for $15 billion even if adobe's really worth that much. it wont help microsoft at all, and certainly wont help MS in the mobile-OS battles with Apple and Android.

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[Mon Corpuz]

Sana matuloy

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[totoybato]

Magandang diskarte ito ng Microsoft.

Pag natuloy, baka papatayin nila yung Mac version ng Adobe products or tatanggalin ng Microsoft yung File Menu -- para walang silbe.

Balik Macdraw at Macpaint ulit sila(may Coreldraw at Painer pa).

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[mitzpicardal]

Microsoft will kill Photoshop. Apple will develop their own iPhotoshop.
Both will fail miserably. FOSS FTW!

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[estib]

Magandang diskarte ito ng Microsoft.

Pag natuloy, baka papatayin nila yung Mac version ng Adobe products or tatanggalin ng Microsoft yung File Menu -- para walang silbe.

Balik Macdraw at Macpaint ulit sila(may Coreldraw at Painer pa).

Kung mabili man ng microsoft ang adobe ay hindi nila gagawin na tanggalin ang mac version. Ang hindi alam ng madami ay malaking pakinabang ng microsoft sa apple. Sakatunayan ang number one sa sales ng software para sa mac ay microsoft office for mac.

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[pitbull]

karamihan ng adobe products or baka lahat ay emulated lang,kaya malakas sa RAM ang adobe products at hindi ma utilize yun architecture ng PC systems ng husto until lately medyo umayos ayos na. take for example,aftereffects,imbes na gamitin ang 8 core para sa iisang program,bubukas sya ng 7 pang ibang instances para maging 8 ang render.  naaasar ako dito minsan dahil nagiging sanhi ng hang at minsan di na natuloy. ang photoshop kung hindi ako nagkakamali ay emulated din.

sa totoo lang,mas gugustuhin ko nang mabili yun adobe ng mga creative companies. tulad nun pag acquire ng adobe ng macromedia. ang microsoft kasi may legacy na nababaduy yun software na pang artist pagkatapos bilhin. take for example softimage,parang hinayaan na lang nila. buti na lang binenta nila uli. may isa pa di ko na maalala hehehe hayaan na lang mga bagay na yan sa mga artists...iba kasi takbo ng isip ng engineers no offense. may kanya kanyang forte lang talaga at field. left and right brain hehehe

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[caterpillar]

I don't see a problem in this. microsoft is a software company, apple is a hardware company. there is microsoft software in the mac (office notably) which performs perfectly on the mac just like the windows version. (not to mention microsoft has a stake in apple )

if this is true, it means that photoshop devs may get more economical backing. same thing happened with macromedia and adobe. hopefully this would mean enhanced native support for lightroom/photoshop/ acrobat features in windows  . hopefully microsoft won't downsize adobe's dev teams and maintain adobe's applications 

  Take any apple computer, notebook or desktop, reformat the HD and install windows or Linux, or whatever, most likely you can install those OS in there and it will work with hardly any modifications. IF that is the case, then Apple is Apple not because of the HW but the software.

  Think about the ipad, ipod, or anything that they sell. I bet any competitor can find the parts and make their own, till they have to install the OS and software to run it.

  Apple, has always been a S/W company. They just happen to bundle the hardware in it. That is what makes using an Apple product, well an Apple! 

  And since the 70's, it's really the software and service that drives the industry. It's no longer hardware. IBM, the ones giant in computers is not really about computers or machines anymore. About 70-80% of their business is not selling you a computer or any hardware anymore. It's services and software. IF Apple is not about SW, then why buy their expensive computers when you can just buy a DELL or Lenovo? Save yourself money and get basically the same hardware, maybe even better because they have BD.
 

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 If MS buys out Adobe what will likely happen?

  Look at the history of acquisition of MS since the 80's. What happened to them, will happen to Adobe. Think of the smallest products to the biggest. Think of Access, Firefox,  and even the 2-B$ Great Plains. Where are these products now? How did MS use them or develop them (or lack of it)? Some of these companies are not peanuts in price or minimal in their contributions to the industry.

  Even DOS was not a MS product. They bought it for (I think) U$50k from somebody else. That is probably one of those acquisitions that they did a bit better and developed well through the years. But the rest, they bought out simply to kill off the competition.

 If you have taken an MBA, you'll know that this is a strategy that has been used for at least a hundred years. Anybody remember the reat DEC, or Compaq? See what HP has done with them. If it is possible, and you have the money, it's better to buy out your competitor than to wage a prolonged battle w/c will cost more, and by w/c they may even have a chance to win. Buy buying them out, you can even use their dist channels, marketing, brand recognition (Adobe has a high premium in brand recognition), etc. These are advantages that you can't get if you simply trounce a company to the ground.

 Knowing this, and MS' track record of acquisition and how they handle the companies they acquire, then you'll know what will happen to Adobe if they ever get it.   

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[What]

 Apple, has always been a S/W company. They just happen to bundle the hardware in it. That is what makes using an Apple product, well an Apple!  

  And since the 70's, it's really the software and service that drives the industry. It's no longer hardware. IBM, the ones giant in computers is not really about computers or machines anymore. About 70-80% of their business is not selling you a computer or any hardware anymore. It's services and software. IF Apple is not about SW, then why buy their expensive computers when you can just buy a DELL or Lenovo? Save yourself money and get basically the same hardware, maybe even better because they have BD.

look anywhere for apple os software to install anything else other than apple hardware. find any? guess not  . you'll only find hackintosh versions in the wild which are illegal. from a business standpoint, apple makes revenue from selling hardware. from macbooks to iphones, ipods, ipads etc. their revenue comes from hardware, not software. ask any business analyst  . why do you think they're not adamant about software protection? it's so easy to borrow a snow leopard cd to install on any mac (apple hardware).

microsoft on the other hand is a software company. it would be *toink* of them not to supply photoshop on macs. just look at ms office. they take so much of a monopoly on ms office that mac users "have" to use it too. they will make a killing of it monopoly wise ( as it is almost a monopoly). you can tell is a monopoly. how? their products get verbed (powerpoint vs slide presentation, photoshopped vs image editor)

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[Mon Corpuz]

There were rumors Apple is looking at Pixelmator.

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[pitbull]

looks cute...parang mas cute na GIMP 

mag GIMP na lang tayo! free pa!

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[Taylor]

microsoft will be the end of photoshop!
bugs bugs bugs and more bugs

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[streetunka]

microsoft will be the end of photoshop!
bugs bugs bugs and more bugs

"your microsoft putoshop has encountered an error: error xxx23#901, would you like to send a report to Adobe?"


hehehehe

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[caterpillar]

look anywhere for apple os software to install anything else other than apple hardware. find any? guess not  . you'll only find hackintosh versions in the wild which are illegal. from a business standpoint, apple makes revenue from selling hardware. from macbooks to iphones, ipods, ipads etc. their revenue comes from hardware, not software. ask any business analyst  . why do you think they're not adamant about software protection? it's so easy to borrow a snow leopard cd to install on any mac (apple hardware).

microsoft on the other hand is a software company. it would be *toink* of them not to supply photoshop on macs. just look at ms office. they take so much of a monopoly on ms office that mac users "have" to use it too. they will make a killing of it monopoly wise ( as it is almost a monopoly). you can tell is a monopoly. how? their products get verbed (powerpoint vs slide presentation, photoshopped vs image editor)

   Their revenues come from software, not hardware. It is the software that drives most companies, even your cell phones. Your mind living in the 60's to think that it is hardware. Look at the ipad. Anybody from China and Taiwan can make an ipad. The parts are off-the-shelf. But because they do not have the S/W for it, that's why they are lagging by 9-12 months. There has been articles already of the parts of the ipod, ipad with corresponding cost.

  You can find and you can install mac OS on a PC with the same H/W as the mac. It has been done before and it can be done again. The parts of the mac is the same off-the-shelf part of the PC . You don't find PCs with mac OS because Apple will take you to court if you do. They are very stringent on that since time immemorial. But remove that restriction and even for demonstration purposes, you can run the mac OS in a PC. The question w/c may have eluded you is - if both use basically the same parts, why is the mac more expensive? It is more expensive because they will charge more for you to experience and use their OS and other software.

  Then it is the software that makes a mac a MAC. it shows that Apple's advantage is in software not hardware. And do not confuse legality vs ability. It's been proven already that you can run the mac OS in the same HW that mac approves or uses.

  The same with iPAD. Why is there no legitimate contender for an iPAD clone? It's because OEMs are lagging in the OS dept to make the same experience as what the iPAD software or OS has done! But mind you, the parts are basically the same. Apple probably has a 9-12 month lead time on this. But it's not the hardware. It's the SW.
   
  If MS buys Adobe, in time, like many software it will be null and dead. It doesn't matter if MS Office is a hit in the mac because if MS buys out Adobe, 1) it's profitability rests more with the PC sales, not the Mac sales; 2)Mac may fold in the office suite, but without a doubt, they'll fight tooth and nail when it comes to imaging!

  On point 1, The mac has only 3.6-4% market share all  over the world. If MS is to protect what it will pay for Adobe, it better do so with the 90%+ of adobe users. And this leads us to the headaches on the mac side...

  On point 2, believe you me, Apple is not going to take Adobe's moves sitting down. The flash vs Apple's own flash-iike software is just the surface of the sour points in their relationship. Adobe, whether it will be by MS will have to struggle to make inroads in the mac. And what will happen to MS's own Silverlight? It's a pretty mess. but make no mistake, Apple may let the Office suite pass through (it is a sunset suite anyway), but darn if they will back down when it comes to the productivity suite for multimedia!   Whether Adobe is MS or not, the line will be drawn in the sand as far as this goes. For example, with video, I doubt if Apple would cede FCP to Premier!  MS, if it owns Adobe, better be prepared for a long hard fight in the multimedia suite as far as Apple product goes. And this is not just the mac!

  And notice how this entire discussion  is going? It's all about software! 

  Yes, it's a software battle and if you believe that Apple isn't one, then forget all future discussions because FCP and other multimedia software Apple has, if it folds to MS or Adobe will make Apple less than Apple. Because if MS or another dominates the applications, Apple will only have the mac OS to fall back onto. The trouble with that, is many of the apps that is being fought for (again software, kid! , stands and affects not just the mac (like flash), but will reverberate in the ipad, iphone, itunes, etc. The damage is not just in the mac and will be in the sphere of the mac OS. IBM made that mistake thinking that computers is about hardware. So did DEC, Compaq, Wang, etc and a dozen other HARDWARE companies who thought that it's all about HW. And these companies are giants in their time. Where are they now?

  Now you tell me that apple is still in the hardware business! Tell me that Steve Jobs is so foolish not to learn from his own peers who folded because they thought it was a HW thing.

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[What]

look precisely at the ipad. what are you buying? the physical item of the ipad. I said apple generates its revenue through hardware sales. it primarily survives because it can push hardware sales keeping to keep it afloat. therefore it is a hardware company.

does that make ibm, hp and other pc manufacturers "software companies" for making it's hardware from off the shelf items? they obtain these hardware and sell them as a package, branding their name on it. sounds like apple right?

in addition, all apple devices such as the iphone, ipad and itouch have the a4 architecture among others and they are all apple propriety. they only switched to intel for macbooks in 2005 because they were tanking as a hardware company (and were left no choice but to outsource). but the fact of the matter is, apple generates revenue through hardware sales, not software. infact, windows runs so well in these new macbooks, their sales spiked in the intel switch.

they sell macbooks, not osx. their "software suites" are outsourced to make you buy their hardware. heck, osx was obtained from NeXT making them another unix system. tell me again, what are their products and what are they? you will say that mac software makes them mac. but it is , mac hardware sales that keeps them afloat. that's their business.

microsoftsand apple go hand in hand. in apple shops you can buy windows 7 with your new mac (at least those abroad afaik). microsoft has also bailed out apple computers in 1997 (a heftly $150m sum) as a partnership to apple. in terms that their software be available on their hardware. that's because they are not in direct competition.

let's take another look at snow leopard. you can't buy for use in new computers, but you buy it for existing mac hardware. it doesn't even have any sort of copy protection. it doesn't phone home, it doesn't have a serial number and you can use it as many times as you want. on what? mac hardware.

have you used macs before the intel switch? g4, g3 processors are all apple hardware. they make their laptops all special because of its hardware. its only recently that jobs decided to call it a "software company". it was called apple computers, not apple software. look into the history of apple. what have they done? why are they still afloat? what are they selling?

not trying to get personal but since when have you been using apple? since they switched to intel? do you even know what makes an apple computer an apple computer?

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[Marcel]

If Microsoft gets Photoshop I'm sure they'll still make versions for the Mac. Just like how Microsoft maintains a group to make the MS Office suite for OS X. At least for the near future. And the Mac version of MS Photoshop probably won't be as complete as the PC version.

Apple already competes with Adobe with their Aperture product pitted against Lightroom. The lockout of Adobe's Flash from the iPhone certainly didn't help with good relations.

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[CrispyParty]

I'd have to agree with What on this. Apple calls itself a software company, but it is, in essence, making its money from hardware. Like what has been said, Apple uses off the shelf components, the same hard drives, motherboards, RAM modules, video cards, etc. you can buy off the shelves. This applies to all their products from the iPads all the way to their Mac Pros. But look at how much they are charging for these, maybe 2 to 3 times the shelf price I believe. That is why they want to keep everything "proprietary", so the users have to keep on buying, or upgrading to, every new hardware that they put out.

In fact, Apple rarely charges for software upgrades for most of it's applications. Take iOS4, iTunes, Quicktime player, Safari, even the Mac OS X is almost free if you think about it. As for software that they do charge for, like FCP Studio, Apple Motion, Aperture, etc, they have all taken a back seat in development. Why? Because they don't really make money out of it. This is the reason why the development of Final Cut Studio has taken a back seat while all of the Apple engineers are focusing on the mobile devices. Again, they are focusing on gadgets -- hardware. Adobe, which is a software company, has already overtaken FCP in usability and features since CS5 launched in April, and Apple/FCPs answer to that is no where in sight to this day. In fact, rumors have been going around that Apple will either stop FCP development or just sell it off, just like what they did to Apple Shake. Simply put, it represents a very tiny revenue stream for them, about less than 5% I believe.

Apple has decided to focus its business on the mobile device market, because you know what really matters? It's CONTENT. And Apple has the consumers right where it wants them. Right now, Apple did such a good job at marketing their devices, that they can dictate to people when and how they will consume the content. They want full control of this, which is why they have decided not to adopt Adobe Flash. They want a platform which they have a bigger control over, not one which will have to be dictated by a competitor.

The winner of this war, whether it be Apple iOS, Google Android, or MS Windows will be the one that can dominate the market and dictate how we, the consumers, will go about with their lives. Revenue from software and hardware? That's small fry compared to who controls the information and how people will openly choose to "consume" that information. That's where the money is, and that's where these three giants are going.

And just to prove my last statement, check out what Microsoft's vision is for the next decade:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWxqSEMXWuw
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I'm sure the 2 other guys are not far off.

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[markpogi]

Yikes!

Would this be more of a bad news or good news?

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